Shackles of Enkidu question

Okay, so can a minion burn this card before it is placed, or does the burn clause become effective with all the rest of the shackle text after it is used? Cardtype: Equipment Clan: Gangrel Cost: 2 pool Unique equipment. Before range is chosen in a round of combat, you may put the Shackles on any minion opposing the vampire with this card; (you still controls this card, however). Combat ends. The Shackled minion does not untap (as normal) during his or her untap phases; he or she burns 2 blood during each of your untap phases. Any minion may burn this card as a (D) action.

On Jul 15, 1:44 pm, d <david.corsonknow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Okay, so can a minion burn this card before it is placed, or does the > burn clause become effective with all the rest of the shackle text > after it is used? The latter: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/bfba2ab2834bf572 > Can Shackles be burned by a minion before it has shackled someone? No. (Well, except by generic "burn equipment" effects, contesting, etc.) -- LSJ (vtes...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ witness1

On Jul 15, 7:47 pm, witness1 <jwnewqu...@bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Jul 15, 1:44 pm, d <david.corsonknow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Okay, so can a minion burn this card before it is placed, or does the > > burn clause become effective with all the rest of the shackle text > > after it is used? > > The latter: > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/bfba... > > > Can Shackles be burned by a minion before it has shackled someone? > > No. (Well, except by generic "burn equipment" effects, contesting, > etc.) > > -- > LSJ (vtes...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. > Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules:http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ > > witness1 Why not? Card states "May be burned as a D action by any minion" There is no clause stating only after use. It is equipment while on the equipping minion. There is just a single statement stating it may be burned. please explain reasoning. Thanks

[ quoted text not captured ] For the same reason that the Gangrel equipping it is not the "Shackled" minion. Shackles is odd - it serves as equipment between then time you equip with it and the time you shackle an opposing minion. After that, it serves as a shackling device that has certain effects on the Shackled minion and can be burned as a (D) action.

[ quoted text not captured ] is it still equipment when it is shackling someone? -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'gmail' to email)

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. And, if transferred, it will shackle the minion it is on.

Even if Shackles of Enkidu worked the way you think it does, it still wouldn't be any good. - Ben Peal

[ quoted text not captured ] I agree that Shackles are a) overly expensive and b) not good enough to build any serious deck around. So you'd think I would agree with the obvious conclusion: don't ever play the card. However.... the Shackles are actually the single strongest combat ends card in the game. So even though they are so expensive, if you want the card that says "Don't mess with me" the best, Shackles is it.

I find the text unclear at best. How about this (of course this would mean a minion stealing the shackles wouldn't suffer the negative effect but that could fit fluff-wise I think). How about this? Cardtype: Equipment Clan: Gangrel Cost: 2 pool Unique equipment. Before range is chosen in a round of combat, the Bearer may put the Shackles on any minion opposing the vampire with this card; (you still controls this card, however). Combat ends. A minion who has received the Shackles in combat does not untap (as normal) during his or her untap phases; he or she burns 2 blood during each of your untap phases and any minion may burn this card as a (D) action.

[ quoted text not captured ] See, that is written in such a way that it is now only burnable as a D action once it has been transferred.

[ quoted text not captured ] I understand why the gang equipping with it is not the shackled minion. But nowhere does the card state that the D action is only available after shackling has occurred. All it says is that this card may be burnt as a D action. No time or state restrictions are given. So how does this work?

Blooded Sand wrote: > I understand why the gang equipping with it is not the shackled > minion. But nowhere does the card state that the D action is only > available after shackling has occurred. All it says is that this card > may be burnt as a D action. No time or state restrictions are given. > So how does this work? It works by fiat, if that's what you're looking for.

[ quoted text not captured ] Do you really want corrected text for this card? Really? Really? You really want to see this card reprinted? Really? - Ben Peal

[ quoted text not captured ] Sweet! :) That is the most straightforward way possible. I like it!!!! :-)

On Jul 16, 2:36 pm, Jozxyqk <jfeue...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: > http://dnn.vtes.net/Portals/17/cards/891/Library/card2008716142634.jpg Man, I wanted to write a "Lol rofl blah de blah" but that is far too hilarious to be demeaned like that! Really funny.. ;)