Fake Out & adding "hand damage"

Folks: Fake Out says "Strike: use your hand or melee weapon at +1 damage". Nephandus natively does 1R damage. If at long range, could Nephandus use Fake Out and to do 2 damage? Or would he only do 1? Succubus does 1 aggravated damage. If she struck with Fake Out, would she do 2 aggravated damage?? Thanks, Madman -- Free audio & video emails, greeting cards and forums Talkway - http://www.talkway.com - Talk more ways (sm)

On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Madman2001 wrote: > Fake Out says "Strike: use your hand or melee weapon at +1 damage". That's Lucky Blow, actually. > Nephandus natively does 1R damage. Rulings state that ranged damage on an ally is not considered to be a hand strike, and that if they do not have a stated hand damage, they have 0 hand damage. > If at long range, could Nephandus > use Fake Out and to do 2 damage? Or would he only do 1? Hand Damage = 0. Lucky Blow = Hand Damage + 1 = 1 > Succubus does 1 aggravated damage. If she struck with Fake Out, would > she do 2 aggravated damage?? Hand Strike: any non-ranged, non-weapon strike that deals damage based on the striking minion's hand damage, or any minion's non-ranged damage-dealing innate strike. [LSJ 19970224] This suggests her 1 aggravated damage is a hand strike, but not hand damag. So I would have to say she deals one non-aggravated damage when playing Lucky Blow. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "But I don't have the right to be with you tonight, so please leave me alone with no saviour in sight. I will sleep safe and sound with nobody around me."

James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Madman2001 wrote: > > Fake Out says "Strike: use your hand or melee weapon at +1 damage". > That's Lucky Blow, actually. > > Nephandus natively does 1R damage. > Rulings state that ranged damage on an ally is not considered > to be a hand strike, True for any ranged strike, not just an ally's ranged strike. > and that if they do not have a stated hand damage, they have > 0 hand damage. Correct. The current rules use the term "strength" instead of "hand damage" to distinguish between the amount of damage done by a (default) hand strike and the type of damage done by (any) hand strike. Of course, since the printed cards all still use "hand damage" for this concept, ... > > If at long range, could Nephandus > > use Fake Out and to do 2 damage? Or would he only do 1? > > Hand Damage = 0. > Lucky Blow = Hand Damage + 1 = 1 Correct. > > Succubus does 1 aggravated damage. If she struck with Fake Out, > > would she do 2 aggravated damage?? > > Hand Strike: any non-ranged, non-weapon strike that deals damage > based on the striking minion's hand damage, or any minion's > non-ranged damage-dealing innate strike. [LSJ 19970224] > > This suggests her 1 aggravated damage is a hand strike, but not hand > damage. Damage from a hand strike is "hand damage", by definition. Her default strike deals one aggravated damage, which satisfies the description of hand strike, above, so her default strike is a hand strike (and the type of damage it deals is hand damage). > So I would have to say she deals one non-aggravated damage > when playing Lucky Blow. With Lucky Blow she would deal "strength"+1, or 2, damage. All of that damage would be aggravated: Additional damage inherits all of the properties of the base damage (So the +1 damage from lucky blow is aggravated for Basilia). [RTR] The "official" card text (from the rulemonger site) makes this combo a little clearer: Succubus Cardtype: Ally Clan: Tremere Antitribu Cost: 4 pool Ally with 3 life. 1 <strength>, aggravated <hand> damage, 0 bleed. As a +1 stealth (D) action, Succubus may remove 1 blood from a vampire or 1 life from an ally to gain 1 life. Once each turn, she may burn 1 life to get +1 bleed. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and DCI (tournament) rules: http://www.geocities.com/vtesrep Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

In article <8e1d5s$98e$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote: > > > On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Madman2001 wrote: > > > If at long range, could Nephandus > > > use Fake Out and to do 2 damage? Or would he only do 1? > > > > Hand Damage = 0. > > Lucky Blow = Hand Damage + 1 = 1 > > Correct. Although, Nephandus wouldn't actually successfully inflict the 1 damage since Lucky Blow isn't a long range strike. Just my two cents. Justicar. [ quoted text not captured ]