JYHAD: Voting Screwed Up!

A friend pointed something out that, if true, radically changes voting! He states that in order to play a vote card as a vote, you must have a minion take an action. He states the action called "vote" under the standard minion actions listed in the rules. I believe he may be correct in which case we've been playing it all wrong. All the other actions listed in this section do not require an action card so I don't know why "vote" would refer to calling a vote. Comments? Roberto -- Roberto Ullfig - ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov

Roberto Ullfig (ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov) wrote: : A friend pointed something out that, if true, radically : changes voting! He states that in order to play a vote : card as a vote, you must have a minion take an action. : He states the action called "vote" under the standard : minion actions listed in the rules. I believe he may : be correct in which case we've been playing it all : wrong. All the other actions listed in this section do : not require an action card so I don't know why "vote" : would refer to calling a vote. Comments? The minion actions are available only when it's your turn, so playing a political card during someone else's turn can't be a minion action. The description of action cards also says that your minions can only use action cards during your own turn. -- Eric Amick eamick@clark.net Columbia, MD

There are several reasons why you need to tap a person to cast a vote. Main thing is that a vote can be blocked. (WHAT?!? Read on) Here's how. The action of calling a vote is a +1 stealth action. Anyone that has a +1 intercept can stop and attack the vampire calling a vote. This would cancel the vote unless the player can play more stealth. So if a player really really is in desperate straits, a player may stop a vote by never having it take place at all. Neat, huh? >>>---Crossbow-->

Roberto Ullfig <ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov> wrote: >A friend pointed something out that, if true, radically >changes voting! He states that in order to play a vote >card as a vote, you must have a minion take an action. >He states the action called "vote" under the standard >minion actions listed in the rules. I believe he may >be correct in which case we've been playing it all >wrong. All the other actions listed in this section do >not require an action card so I don't know why "vote" >would refer to calling a vote. Comments? There are two sorts of votes in Jyhad. The first is when you want to play a political card, such as Domain Challenge... in this case, you have to tap the vampire to call the vote, since you're playing a card with the action symbol on it, and thus are performing an action. The second sort of vote is when a master card or something says a vote must be called to achieve a certain effect... for example, to burn Anarch Revolt. This is where the "vote" entry on page 24 comes in... A vampire would tap to call a vote to run the Revolt. This does not require a political card; you simply tap the vampire to call the vote. This also means you won't get the free vote you would get by playing a political card to call a vote. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

Tom Wylie (aahz@hal.COM) wrote: : The : second sort of vote is when a master card or something says a vote : must be called to achieve a certain effect... for example, to burn : Anarch Revolt. This is where the "vote" entry on page 24 comes in... : A vampire would tap to call a vote to run the Revolt. This does not : require a political card; you simply tap the vampire to call the vote. Why does the vote action say "political card required" in the corrected rules, then? Or is there an error in the corrected rules? :) -- Eric Amick eamick@clark.net Columbia, MD

In article <33bd7k$t98@fnrobo.fnal.gov>, ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov (Roberto Ullfig) writes: |> A friend pointed something out that, if true, radically |> changes voting! He states that in order to play a vote |> card as a vote, you must have a minion take an action. |> He states the action called "vote" under the standard |> minion actions listed in the rules. I believe he may |> be correct in which case we've been playing it all |> wrong. All the other actions listed in this section do |> not require an action card so I don't know why "vote" |> would refer to calling a vote. Comments? |> |> Roberto |> |> -- |> Roberto Ullfig - ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov This is not correct. CALLING for a vote is a minion action. Using a political card to get an extra vote is not. To quote the rules: "Additional political cards can be used by any of the other Methuselahs for votes." No reference to minions here or actions. Additional evidence: 1) A minion of yours can not take an action on some one elses turn (Section 13) 2) At Dragon CON we played additional vote cards with out minions taking an action. (I was taught there by WotC, by no means making it correct but it is evidence for the position above.) David Kiker kdk2template.com

ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov (Roberto Ullfig) writes: >A friend pointed something out that, if true, radically >changes voting! He states that in order to play a vote >card as a vote, you must have a minion take an action. >He states the action called "vote" under the standard >minion actions listed in the rules. I believe he may >be correct in which case we've been playing it all >wrong. All the other actions listed in this section do >not require an action card so I don't know why "vote" >would refer to calling a vote. Comments? The action says *Vote (political action card required)* (section 12.3.1 last graph) -- | kreme@netcom.com \ 1015 South Gaylord, Denver, CO 80209 #100 | | PGP Fingerprint \ 1D 5E F7 C8 7E C2 F9 87 0F 86 C9 B0 D2 63 9C B2 | | [303/722-2009] Vox \ Maximum Aisle: "State of the art in long-term | | [303/777-2911] Data \ incarceration." Convicts Union Local #2134 |

hdykstra@titan.ucs.umass.edu (Hans M Dykstra) writes: >But what about the case where someone else calls a vote, and I want >to use one of my political cards to gain a vote. The rest of the >text on the card is ignored, it just adds +1 vote for me. Do I still >need to tap a minion to do that? No, you need to tap a minion to CALL a vote (section 12.3.1) but you, the Meth, play other political cards for votes. (Section 17.1) >Then there are reaction cards like Surprise Influence which add votes. >Reaction cards don't tap the minion that plays them, but I still need >an untapped minion to play it, right? Hmmm... I don't know about that. The section (15.2) doesn't say anything about untapped minions. Maybe it matters if they are "zero cost" reactions? I don't know. We need a ruling on this one. >*** >hmd -- | kreme@netcom.com \ 1015 South Gaylord, Denver, CO 80209 #100 | | PGP Fingerprint \ 1D 5E F7 C8 7E C2 F9 87 0F 86 C9 B0 D2 63 9C B2 | | [303/722-2009] Vox \ Maximum Aisle: "State of the art in long-term | | [303/777-2911] Data \ incarceration." Convicts Union Local #2134 |

Cerebus The Aardvark (kreme@netcom.com) wrote: : ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov (Roberto Ullfig) writes: : >A friend pointed something out that, if true, radically : >changes voting! He states that in order to play a vote : >card as a vote, you must have a minion take an action. : >He states the action called "vote" under the standard : >minion actions listed in the rules. I believe he may : >be correct in which case we've been playing it all : >wrong. All the other actions listed in this section do : >not require an action card so I don't know why "vote" : >would refer to calling a vote. Comments? Section 17.1, 2nd paragraph (corrected rules/erratta) "Additional political cards can also be used by any other Methuselahs for votes. The actual effects of these cards are ignored." Playing a political card as a vote does not require a minion. The Methuselah itself is taking the action. Playing a card CALLING FOR a vote requires a minion action, but not playing a card AS a vote once the vote has been called. -- Nick Baban | "Yes I am a pirate, 200 years too late. The NABAB@umich.edu | cannons don't thunder, there's nothin' to X-Phile, JYHAD Player,| plunder..." - Jimmy Buffett Wannabe Buccaneer | LIVE HARD, TYPE FAST, DIE TATTOOED! "A little luck and a little government are necessary in life, but a fool trusts either of them." -P.J. O'Rourke, _Parliament of Whores_

In article <kremeCv1AJD.9Do@netcom.com>, Cerebus The Aardvark <kreme@netcom.com> wrote: >ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov (Roberto Ullfig) writes: > >>A friend pointed something out that, if true, radically >>changes voting! He states that in order to play a vote >>card as a vote, you must have a minion take an action. >>He states the action called "vote" under the standard >>minion actions listed in the rules. I believe he may >>be correct in which case we've been playing it all >>wrong. All the other actions listed in this section do >>not require an action card so I don't know why "vote" >>would refer to calling a vote. Comments? > >The action says *Vote (political action card required)* >(section 12.3.1 last graph) Yes. Also, note that Equip Minion, Recruit Ally, Acquire Retainer also need cards to make the action... (Although you could Equip Minion from another of your minions without a card, but to actually put out new equipment requires one) ...Paul -- + + + + + + + + + + + Paul, cleggp@aol.com. yIlImQo'qu' Don't Panic! alt.galactic-guide yIlaD "When doth life leave the weary? 'Tis not death I fear, but the end of living." -- Paul

In article <33fhoo$ru9@usenet.rpi.edu>, cleggp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (...Paul) writes: |> In article <kremeCv1AJD.9Do@netcom.com>, |> Cerebus The Aardvark <kreme@netcom.com> wrote: |> >ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov (Roberto Ullfig) writes: |> > |> >>A friend pointed something out that, if true, radically |> >>changes voting! He states that in order to play a vote |> >>card as a vote, you must have a minion take an action. |> >>He states the action called "vote" under the standard |> >>minion actions listed in the rules. I believe he may |> >>be correct in which case we've been playing it all |> >>wrong. All the other actions listed in this section do |> >>not require an action card so I don't know why "vote" |> >>would refer to calling a vote. Comments? |> > |> >The action says *Vote (political action card required)* |> >(section 12.3.1 last graph) |> |> Yes. Also, note that Equip Minion, Recruit Ally, Acquire Retainer also |> need cards to make the action... (Although you could Equip Minion from |> another of your minions without a card, but to actually put out new |> equipment requires one) |> Yes, but they don't require *action* cards. I noticed they didn't list Blood Bond as one of the possible actions, so why did they list Vote when you just have to look at that action card to see it. I see no difference between a Kindred Restructure political action card and the Blood Bond action card; they're both action cards; so why is one type of action card listed as vote and the other type not listed at all. Because political action cards are more prevalent, maybe? Anyway, I think the whole issue has been resolved by Tom's response; a big implied reason that voting doesn't take place this way is that your minions can't take actions during an opponent's turn; so if my friend were correct only the player calling for the vote could tap minions for votes. This is obviously not how it works. Chalk another one up to the badly organised rules. The rules should not have listed vote under the standard minion actions and instead should have said something like "action cards can be played instead of doing one of the standard actions, and calling for a vote is an example of one of these action cards." -- Roberto Ullfig - ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov

In article <33fj1f$fdc@fnnews.fnal.gov>, Roberto Ullfig <ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov> wrote: >In article <33fhoo$ru9@usenet.rpi.edu>, cleggp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (...Paul) writes: >|> In article <kremeCv1AJD.9Do@netcom.com>, >|> Cerebus The Aardvark <kreme@netcom.com> wrote: >|> >The action says *Vote (political action card required)* >|> >(section 12.3.1 last graph) >|> >|> Yes. Also, note that Equip Minion, Recruit Ally, Acquire Retainer also >|> need cards to make the action... (Although you could Equip Minion from >|> another of your minions without a card, but to actually put out new >|> equipment requires one) >|> > >Yes, but they don't require *action* cards. I noticed they didn't list Blood >Bond as one of the possible actions, so why did they list Vote when you just >have to look at that action card to see it. I see no difference between a >Kindred Restructure political action card and the Blood Bond action card; >they're both action cards; so why is one type of action card listed as vote >and the other type not listed at all. Because political action cards are more >prevalent, maybe? The way I see it, and the way I've read the rules, Equipment, Retainer, Ally, and Political Action cards are all just different "types" of action cards. Kinda like a specific subdivision of the term "action card". My big problem is why they bothered to put the Action Card Symbol on the Political Action cards, as I don't think there are any cards that have ONLY the little picture of the capitol. The way I've been playing it is that every card is an action unless the card is explicitly an Action Modifier, Reaction, or Combat Modifier card, or if it's a Political Action card being used simply to gain votes. >Anyway, I think the whole issue has been resolved by Tom's response; a big >implied reason that voting doesn't take place this way is that your minions >can't take actions during an opponent's turn; so if my friend were correct >only the player calling for the vote could tap minions for votes. This is >obviously not how it works. I might have missed this message. Is this where Tom said that extra political action cards are being played "by the Methuselah" and not "by a minion"? That's how it's stated in the rules, and I don't have a problem with it. However, there are some Reaction Cards that give you votes; I'd guess you need a ready vampyre to use the Reaction Card with. There's also some Action Modifier cards that give you votes. I don't know what to do with these, except to say that perhaps they can only be used to modify the action of the minion starting the vote. (Because you can't modify another minion's actions) >Chalk another one up to the badly organised rules. The rules should not have >listed vote under the standard minion actions and instead should have said >something like "action cards can be played instead of doing one of the standard >actions, and calling for a vote is an example of one of these action cards." The rules probably should have said something like "Call for Vote" instead of just "Vote"... ...Paul -- + + + + + + + + + + + Paul, cleggp@aol.com. yIlImQo'qu' Don't Panic! alt.galactic-guide yIlaD "When doth life leave the weary? 'Tis not death I fear, but the end of living." -- Paul

In article <33cugb$a7d@fnnews.fnal.gov>, ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov (Roberto Ullfig) writes: |> In article <33csv8$7pc@clarknet.clark.net>, eamick@clark.net (Eric Amick) writes: |> |> Tom Wylie (aahz@hal.COM) wrote: |> |> : The |> |> : second sort of vote is when a master card or something says a vote |> |> : must be called to achieve a certain effect... for example, to burn |> |> : Anarch Revolt. This is where the "vote" entry on page 24 comes in... |> |> : A vampire would tap to call a vote to run the Revolt. This does not |> |> : require a political card; you simply tap the vampire to call the vote. |> |> |> |> Why does the vote action say "political card required" in the corrected |> |> rules, then? Or is there an error in the corrected rules? :) |> |> |> |> -- |> |> Eric Amick eamick@clark.net |> |> Columbia, MD |> |> The only part of the game that feels "funny" is that of playing vote cards |> from the hand to increase your votes. It seems a player can just hoard these |> cards and then play them all at once (at least that's way that most people |> understand the voting rules). This mechanic just feels out place. Then, |> when you look at that paragraph on the "vote" action it seems that vampires |> play the vote cards as an action. However, this doesn't quite work because |> you can only do actions during your turn (at least I believe I read this |> somewhere) and voting is done by all players during one player's turn. I was |> not convinced with Tom's reply to my post about this "vote" action. |> |> -- |> Roberto Ullfig - ullfig@fnrobo.fnal.gov Well I am 99% certain the rule is: When responding to a vote you can play as many politcal cards as you want. Two primary pieces of evidence: 1) You can't take an action on other then your turn. 2) People taught by WotC were taught that way. (Myself at Dragon CON and a playtester who e-mailed me). Why do I think that this is not unbalancing. 1) You can not really hoard these cards because you need to use the 7 cards in your hand for other things. (Like combat cards or master cards. 2) You do not replace these cards until the vote is over. 3) If 4 out of 7 cards in your hand are votes (which is typically very unlikely IMHO) that still only equals the votes of two princes. Not a huge advantage. Dave Kiker kdk@template.com

Cerebus The Aardvark <kreme@netcom.com> wrote: >>Then there are reaction cards like Surprise Influence which add votes. >>Reaction cards don't tap the minion that plays them, but I still need >>an untapped minion to play it, right? >Hmmm... I don't know about that. The section (15.2) doesn't say anything >about untapped minions. Maybe it matters if they are "zero cost" >reactions? I don't know. We need a ruling on this one. Don't have the original rulebook on me, but section 13.2 (not 15.2) of the corrected rules says: "Reaction cards are played by an untapped minion..." Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

Robert Derrick <robd@cray.com> wrote: >I need something clarified that may require nothing more than a >"that's correct." > >A Domain Challenge is played. That action must be taken by a Vampire, and >gives the playing Methuselah one early vote. This card is replaced from >the library. > >Now, all Methuselahs may add their votes which come from Remember that the voting action could have been blocked. If it was, then no vote is ever called, so nothing below applies. > 1. Offices (Primogen, Prince, Justicar) > 2. The payment of the Edge > 3. And, other political cards, whose text is ignored and are only > used for their vote, and may even include other Domain > Challenges. Now, the main question: I am assuming that > these card votes require no acting minion to play them, > and as many as are currently in hand may be played, but > none are replaced until the voting is over. > >Is this essentially correct? You forgot the option to block, but otherwise it's correct. Also, someone could have played a reaction card or action modifier card to get votes. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

In article <33g5ih$13s@perv.hal.com>, Tom Wylie <aahz@hal.COM> wrote: >Cerebus The Aardvark <kreme@netcom.com> wrote: >>>Then there are reaction cards like Surprise Influence which add votes. >>>Reaction cards don't tap the minion that plays them, but I still need >>>an untapped minion to play it, right? >>Hmmm... I don't know about that. The section (15.2) doesn't say anything >>about untapped minions. Maybe it matters if they are "zero cost" >>reactions? I don't know. We need a ruling on this one. > >Don't have the original rulebook on me, but section 13.2 (not 15.2) of >the corrected rules says: "Reaction cards are played by an untapped >minion..." How can you tell the original from the corrected? My rulebook lists votes for vampires that are "Ready" as opposed to just "Controlled", but my section 13.2 says nothing about untapped minions. ...Paul -- + + + + + + + + + + + Paul, cleggp@aol.com. yIlImQo'qu' Don't Panic! alt.galactic-guide yIlaD "When doth life leave the weary? 'Tis not death I fear, but the end of living." -- Paul

In article <33g647$1a8@perv.hal.COM> aahz@hal.COM (Tom Wylie) writes: > >You forgot the option to block, but otherwise it's correct. Also, someone >could have played a reaction card or action modifier card to get votes. > > >Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for >aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc. > Wait...they could only have played the action modifier if they were the person that called the vote (meaning that it's their turn) right? I mean, you can't play an action modifier on someone else's turn, right? Darren

In article <33g647$1a8@perv.hal.com>, Tom Wylie <aahz@hal.COM> wrote: >Robert Derrick <robd@cray.com> wrote: >> 1. Offices (Primogen, Prince, Justicar) >> 2. The payment of the Edge >> 3. And, other political cards, whose text is ignored and are only >> used for their vote, and may even include other Domain >> Challenges. Now, the main question: I am assuming that >> these card votes require no acting minion to play them, >> and as many as are currently in hand may be played, but >> none are replaced until the voting is over. >> >>Is this essentially correct? > >You forgot the option to block, but otherwise it's correct. Also, someone >could have played a reaction card or action modifier card to get votes. Only the vampire that began the vote could use Action Modifier cards to do anything, though, right? Because you can only modify actions that you are performing... And, the person who started the vote cannot use reaction cards, because you cannot use Reaction Cards when it's your turn... ...Paul -- + + + + + + + + + + + Paul, cleggp@aol.com. yIlImQo'qu' Don't Panic! alt.galactic-guide yIlaD "When doth life leave the weary? 'Tis not death I fear, but the end of living." -- Paul

>Now, all Methuselahs may add their votes which come from > 1. Offices (Primogen, Prince, Justicar) > 2. The payment of the Edge > 3. And, other political cards, whose text is ignored and are only > used for their vote. There's something notably missing from this, which I am unable to find. Do the players themselves get a vote? It's not listed in the rules, but "everyone gets 1 vote" is one of those common knowledge things. Will many votes actually carry 1 to 0? --

...Paul <cleggp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >How can you tell the original from the corrected? My rulebook lists >votes for vampires that are "Ready" as opposed to just "Controlled", but >my section 13.2 says nothing about untapped minions. The corrected rulebook is a big, 8.5x11 rulebook that was sent to all Convocation members, and which was available at GenCon (and presumably will be at future cons). It's probably possible to ask for a copy in the mail, but I haven't gotten a response on that yet. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

...Paul <cleggp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >Only the vampire that began the vote could use Action Modifier cards to >do anything, though, right? Because you can only modify actions that >you are performing... And, the person who started the vote cannot use >reaction cards, because you cannot use Reaction Cards when it's your turn... Right. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

Owen P Reynolds <owen@iastate.edu> wrote: > There's something notably missing from this, which I am unable to >find. Do the players themselves get a vote? It's not listed in the rules, >but "everyone gets 1 vote" is one of those common knowledge things. > Will many votes actually carry 1 to 0? Methuselahs don't get votes just for existing, no. They have to have titled vampires, political cards, etc. in order to vote. This means that a vote in the early game could easily carry 1 to 0, but pretty soon there will be at least some players with primogens or princes out. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

In article <33gdpe$3uh@perv.hal.com>, Tom Wylie <aahz@hal.COM> wrote: >...Paul <cleggp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu> wrote: >>How can you tell the original from the corrected? My rulebook lists >>votes for vampires that are "Ready" as opposed to just "Controlled", but >>my section 13.2 says nothing about untapped minions. > >The corrected rulebook is a big, 8.5x11 rulebook that was sent to all >Convocation members, and which was available at GenCon (and presumably >will be at future cons). It's probably possible to ask for a copy in >the mail, but I haven't gotten a response on that yet. I hope so. And I hope WotC charges very little (hopefully nothing) for a copy of these "revised rules". That way people who can't get to conventions, and aren't Convocation members, can have something refer to when people are arguing on the net... ...Paul -- + + + + + + + + + + + Paul, cleggp@aol.com. yIlImQo'qu' Don't Panic! alt.galactic-guide yIlaD "When doth life leave the weary? 'Tis not death I fear, but the end of living." -- Paul

I'm not sure if this has been covered yet, but when the votes for an unblocked political action are being tossed in, can the Methuselah who is acting use other political cards to heap on votes, or is it something that only the other players can do? The wording in the rulebook leaves me wonderin'.

I second the request for cheap (should be free) copies of the revised rules, as several of the revisions are pretty necessary, and I for one have little interest in the convocation, as I have no plans to participate in official play.

robd@cray.com (Robert Derrick) writes: >I need something clarified that may require nothing more than a >"that's correct." >A Domain Challenge is played. That action must be taken by a Vampire, and >gives the playing Methuselah one early vote. This card is replaced from >the library. >Now, all Methuselahs may add their votes which come from > 1. Offices (Primogen, Prince, Justicar) > 2. The payment of the Edge > 3. And, other political cards, whose text is ignored and are only > used for their vote, and may even include other Domain > Challenges. Now, the main question: I am assuming that > these card votes require no acting minion to play them, > and as many as are currently in hand may be played, but > none are replaced until the voting is over. >Is this essentially correct? I think that's exactly correct. At least that's how we read the rules, and how we're playing. -- | kreme@netcom.com \ 1015 South Gaylord, Denver, CO 80209 #100 | | PGP Fingerprint \ 1D 5E F7 C8 7E C2 F9 87 0F 86 C9 B0 D2 63 9C B2 | | [303/722-2009] Vox \ I haven't seen anything like that since the | | [303/777-2911] Data \ Pin~ata death duels on Nuevo Tiajuana!! |

Tom Wylie (aahz@hal.COM) wrote: : ...Paul <cleggp@rebecca.its.rpi.edu> wrote: : >How can you tell the original from the corrected? My rulebook lists : >votes for vampires that are "Ready" as opposed to just "Controlled", but : >my section 13.2 says nothing about untapped minions. : The corrected rulebook is a big, 8.5x11 rulebook that was sent to all : Convocation members, and which was available at GenCon (and presumably : will be at future cons). It's probably possible to ask for a copy in : the mail, but I haven't gotten a response on that yet. Plus, WotC sent it out to may retailers and gave them permission to copy it and distribute it for a persiod of time, even saying it was okay to charge the cost of the photocopies. Ask your local reatiler for a copy. -- ########################################################################## ## Bobby Warren comedy@primenet.com ## ## Glendale, Arizona 8872@ef.gc.maricopa.edu ## ## ## ## (Television) is a medium of entertainment which permits millions ## ## of people to listen to the same joke at the same time, and yet ## ## --T. S. Eliot ## ##########################################################################

In article <33hbsk$ef5@illuminati.io.com>, optimist@io.com (David Q. Spitzley) writes: >I second the request for cheap (should be free) copies of the revised >rules, as several of the revisions are pretty necessary, and I for one >have little interest in the convocation, as I have no plans to >participate in official play. Perhaps someoe, say the netrep, could arrange to post a copy of the revised rules in this newsgroup.

Was told that anyone interested in getting a copy of the expanded rules should contact customer service (custserv@wizards.com). Apparently all of the copies they printed up were taken to, and given away at, GenCon, but presumably they'll print up more if enough people want them. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

Darren Sussman <darren@clarity.Princeton.EDU> wrote: >>You forgot the option to block, but otherwise it's correct. Also, someone >>could have played a reaction card or action modifier card to get votes. >Wait...they could only have played the action modifier if they were the person >that called the vote (meaning that it's their turn) right? I mean, you can't >play an action modifier on someone else's turn, right? Right. But you can use a reaction card on their turn; and never on your turn, in fact. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.