Possible to Withdraw?

Upon looking at the rules for Withdrawing from the Jyhad, we saw that the criteria are: 1) You must have no cards in your library at the beginning of you untap phase and declare that you are withdrawing, and until the beginning of your next untap phase 2) You may not lose any blood from your blood pool, and 3) None of your minions may take any actions, or lose any blood. Isn't this a little unreasonable? It seems that the only ways to successfully Withdraw are to either 1) Have saved all of your Defelctions for this very purpose or 2) somehow engineer it so that your Predator's Predator would seriously wrong them if they tried to bleed you. If anyone has done so, pretty please could you explain how you have Withdrawn? Viel Gluck!

On 22 Jul 1996, L. Scott Johnson wrote: > Theo O'Neal <cyn...@prairienet.org> wrote: > >Upon looking at the rules for Withdrawing from the Jyhad, we saw that the > >criteria are: > >1) You must have no cards in your library at the beginning of you untap > > phase and declare that you are withdrawing, and until the beginning of > > your next untap phase > >2) You may not lose any blood from your blood pool, and > >3) None of your minions may take any actions, or lose any blood. > >Isn't this a little unreasonable? [snip] It's not supposed to be easy. In fact, the fact that it is in the rules seems to me to be a way to allow people to run out of cards and still get a victory point, but not be so easy that someone could just use it to win without doing much else. Most decks have to be made to withdraw to do it. In a tourney setting, being able to get a victory point and withdraw, every game, would likely get you into the finals, where, to win, you would have to oust two Methuselahs and withdraw to win. I like the way it is done. > >If anyone has done so, pretty please could you explain how you have > > Withdrawn? Dealmaking. One player announced his intention to withdraw (he could see no way he could oust his prey, and he could hold his predator off indefinately) in return for which his predator (a Bleed and Bruiser) started bleeding _his_ prey. After he withdrew, the B&Ber continued to bleed the one he had been attacking. Another instance, the finals of a tournament I ran had someone withdraw. They won the tourney with 3 victory points in the finals. They were playing a reactive deck (auspex, dominate, presence) and were throwing out Anarch revolts etc (punishing those calling to remove them with Elder Kindred Networks). In the end, after killing two prey, he announced his intention to withdraw (the Revolts were gone) using Obedience on one Rusher, and two Telepathic Counters on two bleeds. He had 1 card left when he withdrew to win a box of Dark Sovereigns. It can happen, just not too often. @ The Corrupter - Adrian Lee Sullivan @ GAT/CS/WS R+++* r(+)>++ # Gamer Coffee-Addict Scripter Author # C(+++)$ USX+$ N++ e+* @#$ Comments ? sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu $#@ tv(+)> X++ b++(+++) @#$ <http://cslab.uwlax.edu/~sulli_al/jyhad> $#@ PS+&-+ PE&-&++ z*+?

In article <4sur60$a...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Theo O'Neal <cyn...@prairienet.org> wrote: >Upon looking at the rules for Withdrawing from the Jyhad, we saw that the >criteria are: > >1) You must have no cards in your library at the beginning of you untap > phase and declare that you are withdrawing, and until the beginning of > your next untap phase >2) You may not lose any blood from your blood pool, and >3) None of your minions may take any actions, or lose any blood. > >Isn't this a little unreasonable? It seems that the only ways to successfully >Withdraw are to either 1) Have saved all of your Defelctions for this very You can't use deflection, as Deflection would cause your vampire to lose blood (unless it was a Tremere with the Citadel, of course). Telepathic Counter would work if the bleeds weren't too great. >purpose or 2) somehow engineer it so that your Predator's Predator would >seriously wrong them if they tried to bleed you. > >If anyone has done so, pretty please could you explain how you have Withdrawn? No one has done it in our games.

: Isn't this a little unreasonable? It seems that the only ways to successfully : Withdraw are to either 1) Have saved all of your Defelctions for this very : purpose or 2) somehow engineer it so that your Predator's Predator would : seriously wrong them if they tried to bleed you. Or just get the other players to agree to let you withdraw. Withdrawal is nigh-unenforceable if you consider it to be a "right". Logically, you shouldn't be allowed to withdraw from the game unless the other players agreed - this has worked in my group before. papillo the excoriator

Theo O'Neal wrote: > If anyone has done so, pretty please could you explain how you have Withdrawn? > > Viel Gluck! Well, it's tricky, but if you can pull it off, it is worth one victory point. I have managed to do it twice (in all the time I've played V:TES/Jyhad). The last time I did it, Tom Wylie was my prey and Paul Peterson was my predator. I had set up a pretty good defensive position, but was for squat when it came down to assualting my prey. It came down to agreeing with Paul to allow me to bow out of the game so he could go after Tom. One turn went by, I got the victory point, and Paul went after Tom. In essence, it was all table-talking. It is difficult to withdraw, and I would say justly so especially when you get a victory point for doing it. -- ********************************************************************** * Shawn F. Carnes sw...@wizards.com * * Game Designer and Developer Wizards of the Coast, Inc. * ********************************************************************** * The opinions I express are mine, not Wizards of the Coast's. * ********************************************************************** * "We cannot rest, knowing that The Captain and Tennille are in good * * health!" --Milk and Cheese * **********************************************************************