LSJ- Society and Revolt

If I have a Society of Leopold and Anarch Revolt in play. Society burns my prey's only anarch during his master phase. Can my prey order his master phase to avoid taking the Anarch Revolt Damaage?

[ quoted text not captured ] Assuming you mean Untap Phase for all of the above (as that's when the cards actually trigger) I don't see why not... You can't leave the Untap phase without dealing with them, but they're both "During" effects, so it'd be OK to check them in either order. - D.J.

[ quoted text not captured ] Untap phase, I suppose :P Anyway; if his only Anarch is burned to the Society, he'll lose 1 pool for the Anarch Revolt. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/38816c5e4204dc37

[ quoted text not captured ] Restated as a general case: Multiple events must be handled during the untap phase. Can they be ordered? Yes, the player can order the events which occur during their untap phase. SoL - "During his or her controller's untap phase," AR - "during his or her untap phase." Carpe noctem. The Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com Your best source of V:TES information. Now also selling boxes and individual cards.

The Lasombra wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 2009 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT), XZealot wrote: > >> If I have a Society of Leopold and Anarch Revolt in play. > >> Society burns my prey's only anarch during his master phase. > >> Can my prey order his master phase to avoid taking the Anarch Revolt >> Damaage? > > Restated as a general case: Multiple events must be handled during > the untap phase. Can they be ordered? > > Yes, the player can order the events which occur during their untap > phase. > > SoL - "During his or her controller's untap phase," > AR - "during his or her untap phase." Ah, but there is no effect to order from AR while you control a ready Anarch, so you can't order the non-effect.

[ quoted text not captured ] > you can't order the non-effect.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - LSJ: By this are you implying that Anarch Revolt checks for your possession of an Anarch for the ENTIRE untap phase and if at any stage during the untap phase you do not have an Anarch, the pool-loss triggers?

[ quoted text not captured ] I'm suggesting that the card text is followed: "A Methuselah who does not control a ready anarch burns 1 pool during his or her untap phase." Anarch Revolt has not effect on a Methuselah who controls a ready anarch, by card text. There is no effect to be ordered amongst the other "during untap" effects. The effect is "burn 1 pool during the untap phase" not "during your untap phase, check to see if you control a ready anarch and if you do not, burn 1 pool". If you do not control a ready Anarch, then you have an effect to order. If one of the other effects you choose to apply before this effect causes you to have a ready anarch, then you would no longer have this effect to apply (unless you somehow managed to cease having a ready anarch again before phase end).

[ quoted text not captured ] Another useful reference may be Arika: Arika's Prey cannot end her untap phase if she controls a location that she hasn't burned a pool for, even if she gained control of that location sometime during her untap phase. [LSJ 19990405] An analog might be: While Anarch Revolt is in play, a Methuselah cannot end her untap phase if she does not control an Anarch and has not burned a pool to Anarch Revolt, even if she controlled an Anarch sometime during her untap phase.

[ quoted text not captured ] similar to what happened in my local games the other night. Vampire A with Fame also had a Cobra Fangs at superior on it (go to torpor in untap phase). during the untap phase, they lost 4 pool (3+1) because they couldn't check the 'in torpor in untap phase' part of Fame before the cobra fangs sent them to torpor because there was no Fame in torpor to check. -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'gmail' to email)