[quiz]strong v2.0

hm. looks like i didn't account for a lot of cards, and thought some cards were not stackable(mark of damnation, f.i.) or forgot about (political struggle). looks like i learned from posting this ;) that goes for: no previous combats. the vamp is independent and your only minion. you control only one of each given card no skill cards no cards played by the opposing minion's controller(the only one beside you) that ACTIVELY(no frenzy, DotB or stuff) increase the damage 36 damage is done in one strike of your minion, no combat cards played by your vamp. question is, what did your vampire do? if vermilian finds out first, i'm gonna send him a vicissitude poisoning(ORIGINAL SABBAT WAR!). or a legacy of caine. arden mcbeth

[ quoted text not captured ] Political Struggle still works. It is burned each time, so it isn't controlled by the time the damage is done. You only need one minion. That minion can be made independent by Clan Impersonation. Tap Island of Yiaros (which you control only one of). Punch for 36 (assuming the correct pattern of struggles). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3DF7A37C...@white-wolf.com>... > arden mcbathan wrote: > > > > hm. looks like i didn't account for a lot of cards, and > > thought some cards were not stackable(mark of damnation, > > f.i.) or forgot about (political struggle). > > looks like i learned from posting this ;) > > that goes for: > > > > no previous combats. > > the vamp is independent and your only minion. > > you control only one of each given card > > no skill cards > > no cards played by the opposing minion's controller(the only one > > beside you) that ACTIVELY(no frenzy, DotB or stuff) increase the > > damage > > > > 36 damage is done in one strike of your minion, no combat cards played > > by your vamp. > > > > question is, what did your vampire do? > > > > if vermilian finds out first, i'm gonna send him a vicissitude > > poisoning(ORIGINAL SABBAT WAR!). or a legacy of caine. > > > > arden mcbeth > > Political Struggle still works. ah yeah, should've known that...o.k., with no political struggles played so far...sorry for still being a little unclear, i hope it was at least somewhat clear that that's not what i meant. [ quoted text not captured ]

sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.02121...@posting.google.com>... > hm. looks like i didn't account for a lot of cards, and > thought some cards were not stackable(mark of damnation, > f.i.) or forgot about (political struggle). > looks like i learned from posting this ;) > that goes for: > > no previous combats. > the vamp is independent and your only minion. > you control only one of each given card > no skill cards > no cards played by the opposing minion's controller(the only one > beside you) that ACTIVELY(no frenzy, DotB or stuff) increase the > damage What is this crap? So is the opposing minion actually playing combat cards or not? > if vermilian finds out first, i'm gonna send him a vicissitude > poisoning(ORIGINAL SABBAT WAR!). or a legacy of caine. Keep you vicissitude poisoning. It doesn't matter too much how the vampire gets the huge strike, but LSJs method works just fine. BTW I've got a question for you. Name a card that in its previous edition had no tongue on it, got reprinted and now has a tongue on it. Now name a card whose original edition had a tongue on it, got reprinted and had no tongue on it. ~SV

>BTW I've got a question for you. Name a card that in its previous >edition had no tongue on it, got reprinted and now has a tongue on it. >Now name a card whose original edition had a tongue on it, got >reprinted and had no tongue on it. Hmmm...I'm beginning to get concerned with this tongue fetish of yours Alex. Problems with the gf? =P Halcyan 2

vermil...@yahoo.com (vermillian) wrote in message news:<f987c6cd.02121...@posting.google.com>... > sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.02121...@posting.google.com>... > > hm. looks like i didn't account for a lot of cards, and > > thought some cards were not stackable(mark of damnation, > > f.i.) or forgot about (political struggle). > > looks like i learned from posting this ;) > > that goes for: > > > > no previous combats. > > the vamp is independent and your only minion. > > you control only one of each given card > > no skill cards > > no cards played by the opposing minion's controller(the only one > > beside you) that ACTIVELY(no frenzy, DotB or stuff) increase the > > damage > > What is this crap? So is the opposing minion actually playing combat > cards or not? the opposing minion? doesn't play any combat cards that increase the damage your minion deals? i thought that was obvious by the examples i gave... > > if vermilian finds out first, i'm gonna send him a vicissitude > > poisoning(ORIGINAL SABBAT WAR!). or a legacy of caine. > > Keep you vicissitude poisoning. It doesn't matter too much how the > vampire gets the huge strike, it sure doesn't... >but LSJs method works just fine. it sure does...i didn't give a positive reply to that suggestion, so that was not what i meant. i'm aware that there are countless ways to increase damage. i know too, that this whole thing is kinda pointless > > BTW I've got a question for you. <snip question> why should i try to find out and answer it? i hardly ever look at the pictures. weren't you the one who told everybody not to answer my post? hm. you must be as bored as me. cheers, mate! p.s. i consider this thread dead...

>> What is this crap? So is the opposing minion actually playing combat >> cards or not? > >the opposing minion? doesn't play any combat cards that increase the >damage your minion deals? i thought that was obvious by the examples i >gave... Your wording and intention are unclear. As to the examples you gave, Frenzy doesn't actually actively increase the damage a vampire does so I don't know why it's one of your examples. >>but LSJs method works just fine. > >it sure does...i didn't give a positive reply to that suggestion, so >that was not what i meant. Oh I see. So out of the potentially infinite ways to solve this problem, LSJ's just wasn't *exactly* what you were looking for. I must apologize on account of us being so utterly stupid and oblivious to your genius. >i'm aware that there are countless ways to >increase damage. >i know too, that this whole thing is kinda pointless Well, I'm glad that you admit that it's pointless. So is there a reason why you're cluttering the newsgroup with such "pointless" posts? Halcyan 2

> p.s. i consider this thread dead... No no no... Too easy, mate. You teased us into reading truckloads of suppositions, some of which were very interesting, so now you should feel obliged to tell us what your idea was. Then we'll see if it was or not worth all this fuss... Orpheus

vermil...@yahoo.com (vermillian) wrote in message news:<f987c6cd.02121...@posting.google.com>... > BTW I've got a question for you. Name a card that in its previous > edition had no tongue on it, got reprinted and now has a tongue on it. > Now name a card whose original edition had a tongue on it, got > reprinted and had no tongue on it. All this tongue business has got me thinking on a new combat card... 'Pulled Fangs Gone Wrong' The picture being a vampire with, you can guess, no tongue.... Tobias Deventer And why do both Toreador and !Toreador have 8-caps with big tongues? Does your tongue grow linearly along with capacity?

[ quoted text not captured ] Can't Imagine what Alexandra can do then =0

halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote in message news:<20021212155728...@mb-ba.aol.com>... > >> What is this crap? So is the opposing minion actually playing combat > >> cards or not? > > > >the opposing minion? doesn't play any combat cards that increase the > >damage your minion deals? i thought that was obvious by the examples i > >gave... > > > Your wording and intention are unclear. > > As to the examples you gave, Frenzy doesn't actually actively increase the > damage a vampire does so I don't know why it's one of your examples. somebody used it in the first quiz thread, and i didn't think of looking it up. > > >>but LSJs method works just fine. > > > >it sure does...i didn't give a positive reply to that suggestion, so > >that was not what i meant. > > Oh I see. So out of the potentially infinite ways to solve this problem, LSJ's > just wasn't *exactly* what you were looking for. I must apologize on account of > us being so utterly stupid and oblivious to your genius. as this was brought up too in the first quiz thread, and mentioned in the opening post of mine in this thread, i thought it would be clear that i was not referring to that venue. that i was still too wrapped up in my damage-dealing stroke of genius to see that i in fact hadn't ruled it out, proves again that i'm too short-sighted to be called a genius. you shouldn't by the way, apologize for being oblivious for anything, but rather for trying to vent your anger for the world(and college professors) by replying to a totally harmless, viable(see below) thread that doesn't interest you and is imho clear in his intention, if not in letters. of course, others, including you, disagree with that, which i would never take as either malign intent nor lack of intelligence on either side. > >i'm aware that there are countless ways to > >increase damage. > >i know too, that this whole thing is kinda pointless > > Well, I'm glad that you admit that it's pointless. So is there a reason why > you're cluttering the newsgroup with such "pointless" posts? i thought it might be nice to read something different but bitching about the ec or posting self-made cards, which i think are pointless(but at least i mostly keep my mouth shut about these posts) and deck or strategy discussions, which are of course the main(but not ONLY) topic of this newsgroup. oh, and i got a lot of new and old ideas about damage dealing. > > > Halcyan 2 orpheus wrote: >No no no... Too easy, mate. You teased us into reading truckloads of >suppositions, some of which were very interesting, so now you should feel >obliged to tell us what your idea was. Then we'll see if it was or not worth >all this fuss... >Orpheus o.k., i was going for this: great beast(4 str, AUS SER DAI) gets a depravity(+1), ci's to !tor, gets art of pain(+2 to this <vampire>), ci's to gangrel(+1 to this <vampire>), equips with bang nakh(+2), plays concordance(+1, o.k. more are possible, was unclear on that too, since you CAN give control of it away with succubus club, as somebody mentioned), plays mark of damnation (+2) on the other vamp, equips with eye of hazimel(+1 CHI), plays mass reality(+2), ci's to samedi, gets regenerative blood, plays ecstatic agony, blocks a diablerie of a vamp of the other methuselah by a vamp of the other methuselah with the deadliest sin(+2) at 9 blood (full capacity). first round of combat, he is dealt 18 damage(survives due to regenerative blood), he presses(with ecstatic agony) and does 4+1+2+1+2+1+2+1+2+2+18=36 damage.

arden mcbathan wrote: > halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote in message > >No no no... Too easy, mate. You teased us into reading truckloads of > >suppositions, some of which were very interesting, so now you should feel > >obliged to tell us what your idea was. Then we'll see if it was or not worth > >all this fuss... > > o.k., i was going for this: > > great beast(4 str, AUS SER DAI) > > gets a depravity(+1), > > ci's to !tor, gets art of pain(+2 to this <vampire>), > > ci's to gangrel(+1 to this <vampire>), CI doesn't do this. You probably meant to Ritual Challenge after the CI. > equips with bang nakh(+2), > > plays concordance(+1, o.k. more are possible, was unclear on that too, > since you CAN give control of it away with succubus club, as somebody > mentioned), > > plays mark of damnation (+2) on the other vamp, > > equips with eye of hazimel(+1 CHI), > > plays mass reality(+2), > > ci's to samedi, gets regenerative blood, plays ecstatic agony, > > blocks a diablerie of a vamp of the other methuselah by a vamp of the > other > methuselah with the deadliest sin(+2) at 9 blood (full capacity). > > first round of combat, he is dealt 18 damage(survives due to > regenerative blood), he presses(with ecstatic agony) and does > 4+1+2+1+2+1+2+1+2+2+18=36 damage. You control three Clan Impersonations, in violation of the terms. You should take the actions to burn them first (except for the Samedi one, if you want to use Regenerative Blood. :-) Use Camarilla Vitae Slave to increase Capacity without Discipline cards, allowing an extra 2 damage (=38). Use Blood Tears to gain blood in the first round and take 4 more damage from the opponent's additional strike (=42). If you want to get fancy, replace the Great Beast with a Blood Brother and let the other members of that circle be controlled by someone else (one of whom has Regenerative Blood via Clan Impersonation). You'll have to lose the Concordance. But then each of the other Brothers can play Brother's Blood to help deal with the incoming damage, making the Agony much more Ecstatic. They can each have an enormous capacity if they employ a series of Camarilla Vitae Slaves first, as well. [ quoted text not captured ]

sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.0212...@posting.google.com>... > > BTW I've got a question for you. > > <snip question> > > why should i try to find out and answer it? i hardly ever look at the > pictures. Then you've missed a rather comical aspect to this game. Telepathic misdirection is now know as the middle finger and "bad brains" in our local group. It just adds a lot to the game by giving nicknames to cards (fat head, beef cake, bad brains, hell, raiging your hands in the air when ignatous the black priest is in play, etc...). And come on. You've GOT to stick your tongue out when anson, the miller delmardigan or the beast are played (and other less played vampires, but I'll save them for later). > weren't you the one who told everybody not to answer my post? > hm. you must be as bored as me. Yeah. its not that I don't like challenges and what not, I just feel slighted by this quizz. It seems that whenever someone gets aroudn to answering it, its not what you were after. Course, to be honest, I really can't think of any way to do it (other than LSJs method), so you've probably a valid quiz question, I was just tired of you changing the requirements around. Vagueness annoys me. Course, thats coming from a libra, so he's bound to be vague alot himself. Ah well. We're all hypocrits to some extent.

sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.02121...@posting.google.com>... > i thought it might be nice to read something different but bitching > about the ec or posting self-made cards, which i think are > pointless(but at least i mostly keep my mouth shut about these posts) > and deck or strategy discussions, which are of course the main(but not > ONLY) topic of this newsgroup. > oh, and i got a lot of new and old ideas about damage dealing. I like some good self made cards... but only well made ones, that aren't over powered like I win Master Put this card into play. During each Methuselahs untap phase they lose all of their pool. No methuselah can play any master cards when this card is played. No methuselah can gain any pool during their untap phase. No minion may play any reaction cards when this card is played. > o.k., i was going for this: > > great beast(4 str, AUS SER DAI) > > gets a depravity(+1), > > ci's to !tor, gets art of pain(+2 to this <vampire>), > > ci's to gangrel(+1 to this <vampire>), > > equips with bang nakh(+2), > > plays concordance(+1, o.k. more are possible, was unclear on that too, > since you CAN give control of it away with succubus club, as somebody > mentioned), > > plays mark of damnation (+2) on the other vamp, > > equips with eye of hazimel(+1 CHI), > > plays mass reality(+2), > > ci's to samedi, gets regenerative blood, plays ecstatic agony, > > blocks a diablerie of a vamp of the other methuselah by a vamp of the > other > methuselah with the deadliest sin(+2) at 9 blood (full capacity). > > first round of combat, he is dealt 18 damage(survives due to > regenerative blood), he presses(with ecstatic agony) and does > 4+1+2+1+2+1+2+1+2+2+18=36 damage. OK, but... how the hell is he dealt 18 damage? ~SV

tobiasop...@hotmail.com (Tobias) wrote in message news:<8aa6db00.02121...@posting.google.com>... > vermil...@yahoo.com (vermillian) wrote in message news:<f987c6cd.02121...@posting.google.com>... > > > BTW I've got a question for you. Name a card that in its previous > > edition had no tongue on it, got reprinted and now has a tongue on it. > > Now name a card whose original edition had a tongue on it, got > > reprinted and had no tongue on it. > > All this tongue business has got me thinking on a new combat card... > > 'Pulled Fangs Gone Wrong' Combat Useable as the opposing minion has played Pulled Fangs. Cancel the effect of Pulled Fangs as it is played. Put this card on this vampire. This minion takes one point of unproventable damage and may not play Serpent's Tongue. This card can be burn by this vampire as a +1 stealth action that costs 1 blood. BTW: Can you think of the tongue cards to which I refer? :) ~SV

vermillian wrote: > > first round of combat, he is dealt 18 damage(survives due to > > regenerative blood), he presses(with ecstatic agony) and does > > 4+1+2+1+2+1+2+1+2+2+18=36 damage. > > OK, but... how the hell is he dealt 18 damage? The opposing minion with Ankara Citadel plays 17 Fists of Death at inferior. (Happens all the time. :-) [ quoted text not captured ]

o.k., last and ultimate challenge: five player game, tournament legal decks, no political struggles played. minion does more than(got tired of finding the maximum value) 1,62*10^818 (10 to the power of 818) damage with a hand strike. how? well, it involves agaitas, around 378 ecstatic agonies, a clan impersonation, and around 65 camarilla vitae slaves and skill cards... ;)

arden mcbathan wrote: :: o.k., last and ultimate challenge: [ quoted text not captured ] Then each player would play with more than 90 cards in his library... And the game would be moot anyway =)

[ quoted text not captured ] 90*5 = 450 > 378+65 [ quoted text not captured ]

sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.02121...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] how about: Billy and Agitas both have an ecstatic agony they engage in combat playing no other cards as Undead persistence when they should go to torpor. They proceed to punch eachother unlimited times resulting in unlimited damage. :P -Bram Vink

sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.02121...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] oh wait, dont respond to the previous post :P misread undead persistence.

<snip> but im sure it could be more using undead persistence :P just assume you can use 5 cards by one player, and 429 by the other. you can also get 15 'permanents' from the other players.

Darky wrote: > Billy and Agitas both have an ecstatic agony > they engage in combat playing no other cards as Undead persistence > when they should go to torpor. > They proceed to punch eachother unlimited times resulting in > unlimited damage. undead persistence only provide one press... so unless both have a meat hook and played undead persistence you can't get caught in an infinite loop ;)

LSJ wrote: > reyda wrote: >> >> arden mcbathan wrote: >>>> o.k., last and ultimate challenge: >>>> >>>> five player game, tournament legal decks, no political struggles >>>> played. >>>> minion does more than(got tired of finding the maximum value) >>>> 1,62*10^818 (10 to the power of 818) damage with a hand strike. >>>> >>>> how? >>>> well, it involves agaitas, around 378 ecstatic agonies, a clan >>>> impersonation, and around 65 camarilla vitae slaves and skill >>>> cards... >> >> Then each player would play with more than 90 cards in his >> library... And the game would be moot anyway =) > > 90*5 = 450 > 378+65 obviouly i'm wrong even with the clan impersonation and master discipline cards counted in ;)

jja....@hccnet.nl (Darky) wrote in message news:<93148a54.02121...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] just off the top of my head, with 8 ecstatic agony on both vampires and 1200 rounds played i would reach 5,1*10^1083 On how to get these cards in play/your hand, figure out yourself :) it involves high priest angra manyu, succubus club, kanimana belghazi, and jan pieterzoon :)

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3DFC8923...@white-wolf.com>... > reyda wrote: > > > > arden mcbathan wrote: > > :: o.k., last and ultimate challenge: > > :: > > :: five player game, tournament legal decks, no political struggles > > :: played. > > :: minion does more than(got tired of finding the maximum value) > > :: 1,62*10^818 (10 to the power of 818) damage with a hand strike. > > :: > > :: how? > > :: well, it involves agaitas, around 378 ecstatic agonies, a clan > > :: impersonation, and around 65 camarilla vitae slaves and skill > > :: cards... > > > > Then each player would play with more than 90 cards in his library... And > > the game would be moot anyway =) > > 90*5 = 450 > 378+65 378 + 65 = 443 Tobias Deventer

[ quoted text not captured ] Well thanks again ! May i add that 443 < 450 then ?