[Deck] Vecna's back, and She's pissed

I've been wanting to do Muaziz gets the Eye for a while. I'm really only posting it because I like the title. I just built it and am on my way out to play it against the weenie dominate hoar-- I mean, my friends. I've got five little nerds and a nice chunk of goddamn deflection, Lord, please let me not die in thirty minutes. Deck Name: Vecna's back, and She's pissed Created By: David Cherryholmes Description: Muaziz flanked by weenie 2/3 Tremere. Muaziz equips with Eye of Hazimel, Hand of Conrad, Ankara Citadel, and/or Sengir Dagger. Runs POT/THA combat. Several skill cards allow the chance to eat your way up the food chain and past heavy Obedience users; the skill cards take the deck past eighty cards, but in a less than linear way. Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 11, Max: 28, Avg: 4.92) ---------------------------------------------- 4 Muaziz aus dom for THA 7, Tremere 1 Eugenio Estevez AUS dom for THA 6, Tremere 1 Kyoko Shinsegawa aus cel dom for 5, Tremere 1 Aisling Sturbridge AUS dom THA 5, Tremere 1 Pieter van Dorn dom pre tha 4, Tremere 1 Masika St. John THA 3, Tremere 1 Blythe Candeleria aus THA 3, Tremere 1 Ehrich Weiss dom tha 3, Tremere 1 Mustafa Rahman dom 2, Tremere Library: (85 cards) ------------------- Master (10 cards) 1 Arcane Library 3 Blood Doll 1 Chantry 1 Dominate 1 Fame 1 Fortitude 2 Potence Action (11 cards) 2 Govern the Unaligned 3 Graverobbing 4 Magic of the Smith 2 Rutor's Hand Action Modifier (6 cards) 6 Freak Drive Reaction (6 cards) 6 Deflection Combat (46 cards) 3 Amaranth 8 Apportation 8 Blood Fury 6 Immortal Grapple 3 Pulled Fangs 4 Skin of Steel 8 Taste of Vitae 6 Torn Signpost Equipment (6 cards) 1 Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The 1 Eye of Hazimel 1 Flak Jacket 1 Hand of Conrad 1 IR Goggles 1 Sengir Dagger This deck was last saved at 8:31:45 AM on 3/8/2003 David Cherryholmes Prince of Durham, NC

David Cherryholmes <david.che...@duke.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.GSO.4.21.03030...@petsparc.mc.duke.edu>... > I've been wanting to do Muaziz gets the Eye for a while. I'm really only > posting it because I like the title. In that case - nice title, David. Tobias Deventer

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David Cherryholmes <david.che...@duke.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.GSO.4.21.030310...@petsparc.mc.duke.edu>... [ quoted text not captured ] Shame there's no Head of Vecna.... you could consider adding some decapitation though.. :) Tobias Deventer

I'm willing to say it.... who (was)is Vecna? -JTP

John P. wrote: > I'm willing to say it.... > > who (was)is Vecna? http://www.geocities.com/jon_b_howell/HoV/Hand_of_Vecna.html -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

David Cherryholmes <david.che...@duke.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.GSO.4.21.03030...@petsparc.mc.duke.edu>... > I've been wanting to do Muaziz gets the Eye for a while. I'm really only > posting it because I like the title. I just built it and am on my way out > to play it against the weenie dominate hoar-- I mean, my friends. The title is great. How did the game go? Anyway, kind of reminds me of Szilan's Cardano deck. Hmm. I think maybe you need some Cardano, and to get rid of the group 3 vampires. :) > Deck Name: Vecna's back, and She's pissed > Description: Muaziz flanked by weenie 2/3 Tremere. Muaziz equips with Eye > of Hazimel, Hand of Conrad, Ankara Citadel, and/or Sengir Dagger. Runs > POT/THA combat. Several skill cards allow the chance to eat your way up > the food chain and past heavy Obedience users; the skill cards take the > deck past eighty cards, but in a less than linear way. Mmmm...food chain. > Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 11, Max: 28, Avg: 4.92) > ---------------------------------------------- > 4 Muaziz aus dom for THA 7, Tremere > 1 Eugenio Estevez AUS dom for THA 6, Tremere > 1 Kyoko Shinsegawa aus cel dom for 5, Tremere > 1 Aisling Sturbridge AUS dom THA 5, Tremere > 1 Pieter van Dorn dom pre tha 4, Tremere > 1 Masika St. John THA 3, Tremere > 1 Blythe Candeleria aus THA 3, Tremere > 1 Ehrich Weiss dom tha 3, Tremere > 1 Mustafa Rahman dom 2, Tremere Looks good, except that I should point out that you're not using the Auspex. I seriously think group 1 might be better than group 3 in this case. Sarah Cobbler, Jing Wei, Merrill Molitor. > Library: (85 cards) Less than 90 noted. > ------------------- > Master (10 cards) > 1 Arcane Library > 3 Blood Doll > 1 Chantry > 1 Dominate > 1 Fame > 1 Fortitude > 2 Potence I would think you'd still want a couple more cards in here. Maybe a Dreams of the Sphinx or two? > Action (11 cards) > 2 Govern the Unaligned > 3 Graverobbing > 4 Magic of the Smith > 2 Rutor's Hand Seeing 2 Govern just kills me. Couldn't you go up to, like 4? A couple of Atonement, maybe? > Action Modifier (6 cards) > 6 Freak Drive Seeing no Conditioning also kills me. > Reaction (6 cards) > 6 Deflection Good. No WWEF? > Combat (46 cards) > 3 Amaranth > 8 Apportation > 8 Blood Fury > 6 Immortal Grapple > 3 Pulled Fangs > 4 Skin of Steel > 8 Taste of Vitae > 6 Torn Signpost Looks pretty solid. I would think that you could maybe lose a few cards to get room elsewhere. Pulled Fangs seem pretty expendable, even if they do keep weenies down for the count. > Equipment (6 cards) > 1 Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The > 1 Eye of Hazimel > 1 Flak Jacket > 1 Hand of Conrad > 1 IR Goggles > 1 Sengir Dagger Solid, I guess. I assume the Flak Jacket is there to handle the weenie horde?

On 11 Mar 2003, Xian wrote: > The title is great. How did the game go? Don't ask. ;) First game, never saw the Eye, the Hand, or any MotS. Not so hot. Second game I scooped and quit because one of the players was drunk and belligerent for the umpteenth time and I decided I had better uses for my time. Not such a nice thing to report, but there it is. > Anyway, kind of reminds me of Szilan's Cardano deck. Hmm. I think > maybe you need some Cardano, and to get rid of the group 3 vampires. I *really* do swim around with a bunch of speed bleed machines; I'm trying to keep the crypt as small as possible. > > Crypt: (12 cards, Min: 11, Max: 28, Avg: 4.92) > > ---------------------------------------------- > > 4 Muaziz aus dom for THA 7, Tremere > > 1 Eugenio Estevez AUS dom for THA 6, Tremere > > 1 Kyoko Shinsegawa aus cel dom for 5, Tremere > > 1 Aisling Sturbridge AUS dom THA 5, Tremere > > 1 Pieter van Dorn dom pre tha 4, Tremere > > 1 Masika St. John THA 3, Tremere > > 1 Blythe Candeleria aus THA 3, Tremere > > 1 Ehrich Weiss dom tha 3, Tremere > > 1 Mustafa Rahman dom 2, Tremere > > Looks good, except that I should point out that you're not using the > Auspex. I seriously think group 1 might be better than group 3 in > this case. Sarah Cobbler, Jing Wei, Merrill Molitor. I picked group three so I could play with Emelio, who has fortitude. I'd get better dom with group one, granted, and the little guys are mostly there to deflect. I'll think about it. > > ------------------- > > Master (10 cards) > > 1 Arcane Library > > 3 Blood Doll > > 1 Chantry > > 1 Dominate > > 1 Fame > > 1 Fortitude > > 2 Potence > > I would think you'd still want a couple more cards in here. Maybe a > Dreams of the Sphinx or two? I still wish I was at eighty. If I'd had eighty, maye I would've turned up one of the five cards that would've given me the launch. I could dump the skill cards for something generally more useful, but given who Muaziz is and the fact that I don't actually have to have them in hand, it seemed like a good idea. Still, maybe a Vast Wealth or two would be good. > Seeing 2 Govern just kills me. Couldn't you go up to, like 4? > A couple of Atonement, maybe? You're trying to turn me into one of those 90 card deck people, aren't you? Anyway, Govern is "bleed for three", but if I can get the Eye then she's permableed for two. Given that it's really a combat deck, that seemed sufficient. > Seeing no Conditioning also kills me. I'd really like to actually have the deck go and then assess how much more bleed I need. Frankly, damned near every game is just stupid deflect-o-matic after deflect-o-matic. I'll probably need to off all the bouncers first and, after that, the difference should be pretty minor. > > Reaction (6 cards) > > 6 Deflection > > Good. No WWEF? Nah. The weeners pretty much just sit there and wait to, uh, deflect-o-matic. > > Combat (46 cards) > > 3 Amaranth > > 8 Apportation > > 8 Blood Fury > > 6 Immortal Grapple > > 3 Pulled Fangs > > 4 Skin of Steel > > 8 Taste of Vitae > > 6 Torn Signpost > Looks pretty solid. I would think that you could maybe lose a few > cards to get room elsewhere. Pulled Fangs seem pretty expendable, > even if they do keep weenies down for the count. It started out as six Amaranths, and I really can't remember why I split them 3/3. > > Equipment (6 cards) > > 1 Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The > > 1 Eye of Hazimel > > 1 Flak Jacket > > 1 Hand of Conrad > > 1 IR Goggles > > 1 Sengir Dagger > > Solid, I guess. I assume the Flak Jacket is there to handle the > weenie horde? More for the Gangrel poke, since that's a really common element around here.... occasionally that guy gets tired of Malks and goes for PRO/dom. Later, [ quoted text not captured ]

David Cherryholmes <david.che...@duke.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.GSO.4.21.030310...@petsparc.mc.duke.edu>... [ quoted text not captured ] How about the dagger Vecna borrowed off Sengir in apocryptical times? Patrick Columbus, OH

[ quoted text not captured ] Don't forget the infamous "Head of Vecna" story: http://home.hiwaay.net/~srberry/gurps/Vecna.html

On 11 Mar 2003, Patrick van der Reest wrote: > How about the dagger Vecna borrowed off Sengir in apocryptical times? That's the Sword of Kas. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Jozxyqk wrote: > Don't forget the infamous "Head of Vecna" story: > http://home.hiwaay.net/~srberry/gurps/Vecna.html ROTFLMAO! Thanks, [ quoted text not captured ]

Howdy, > > I'm willing to say it.... > > > > who (was)is Vecna? > > http://www.geocities.com/jon_b_howell/HoV/Hand_of_Vecna.html No, no! Try this one: http://home.hiwaay.net/~srberry/gurps/Vecna.html Much better, Alex

David Cherryholmes <david.che...@duke.edu> wrote in message news:<Pine.GSO.4.21.03031...@petsparc.mc.duke.edu>... > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Jozxyqk wrote: > > > Don't forget the infamous "Head of Vecna" story: > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~srberry/gurps/Vecna.html > > ROTFLMAO! Which is why I suggested decapitate... Tobias Deventer

David Cherryholmes <david.che...@duke.edu> wrote: > hot. Second game I scooped and quit because one of the players was drunk > and belligerent for the umpteenth time Nothing like the South. ;) [needs more Cardano] > I *really* do swim around with a bunch of speed bleed machines; I'm trying > to keep the crypt as small as possible. I know, I know. I was mostly just joking...offering my expected commentary. My point was really that Group 1 has more dominate. > I picked group three so I could play with Emelio, who has fortitude. I'd Sketchy, since he only has dom. I'd be more inclined to pick Marlene, the Infernalist, if you're not too wedded to playing all Tremere. > get better dom with group one, granted, and the little guys are mostly > there to deflect. I'll think about it. Better dom is good. :) > I still wish I was at eighty. If I'd had eighty, maye I would've turned > up one of the five cards that would've given me the launch. I could dump Hey, I was trying to give hints as to what to drop as well. :) I think Dreams would still be a good addition, though. Hand cycling if you need it, otherwise, free pool (+ transfers). > the skill cards for something generally more useful, but given who Muaziz > is and the fact that I don't actually have to have them in hand, it seemed > like a good idea. Still, maybe a Vast Wealth or two would be good. 10 master cards just seemed like "not quite enough." Vast Wealth would be okay, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it in place of something else. > You're trying to turn me into one of those 90 card deck people, aren't Nah. I'm trying to turn into one of those 80 card people, but it's not working very well. > you? Anyway, Govern is "bleed for three", but if I can get the Eye then > she's permableed for two. Given that it's really a combat deck, that > seemed sufficient. I don't know how you can get around just bleeding for two with a lot of Deflection in reserve. And I'd think you'd need more Deflection for that strategy. > > Seeing no Conditioning also kills me. > > I'd really like to actually have the deck go and then assess how much more > bleed I need. Frankly, damned near every game is just stupid Well, if you didn't want to hear my complaints about needing more bleed-y stuff, why'd ya post the deck? :) > deflect-o-matic after deflect-o-matic. I'll probably need to off all the > bouncers first and, after that, the difference should be pretty minor. Heh. That's what I like to hear. [PF vs. Amaranth] > It started out as six Amaranths, and I really can't remember why I split > them 3/3. I'd probably just leave it at 3 Amaranth, and let the rest go. > > Solid, I guess. I assume the Flak Jacket is there to handle the > > weenie horde? > > More for the Gangrel poke, since that's a really common element around > here.... occasionally that guy gets tired of Malks and goes for PRO/dom. Hah! Quite the change. Man, how would Lazvernius + Eternal Vigilance do in your group? Or did you try that recently? Seems like it'd be a pretty sweet way to knock down the weenies. Or maybe !Toreador + Art of Pain. Gargoyles + Armor of Terra + Atonement + Freak Drive? Xian (razor bats are funny)

On 12 Mar 2003, Xian wrote: > Nothing like the South. ;) Well, I think it has more to do with a certain someone's getting their lunch money stolen a few too many times than with geography, but joke noted. > I know, I know. I was mostly just joking...offering my expected > commentary. My point was really that Group 1 has more dominate. Oh, right. Xian. Cardano. Duh. > Sketchy, since he only has dom. I'd be more inclined to pick Marlene, > the Infernalist, if you're not too wedded to playing all Tremere. Not wedded to the Tremere, except that it's a Muaziz deck. I don't think I own a Marlene, though. Isn't she Sabbat only? I have ass for Sabbat cards. > Hey, I was trying to give hints as to what to drop as well. :) I > think Dreams would still be a good addition, though. Hand cycling if > you need it, otherwise, free pool (+ transfers). Yeah, saying "I don't have room for Dreams" is probably logically empty, if you dig deep enough. Luckily, I transcended logic a long time ago and am now free to ignore it at will. > 10 master cards just seemed like "not quite enough." Vast Wealth > would be okay, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it in place of something > else. Oh it isn't, not by a long shot, especially since four of them are "phantom". Still, I have to weigh that against the fact that I'm already five cards over my target. > Nah. I'm trying to turn into one of those 80 card people, but it's > not working very well. What isn't working? If you're getting decked, then it may be playstyle-related. If you go combat-wombat, then those are the times I think about going to ninety. I mean, I *know* they should be ninety, but I've built so many decks at eighty now that I default to them in my head. > I don't know how you can get around just bleeding for two with a lot > of Deflection in reserve. And I'd think you'd need more Deflection > for that strategy. Can't afford to jam up on the Deflections myself, and I don't really intend to oust by bounce. The bounce is there to have a shot at one in my opening hand, or a few cards after, so I get to play a game with thirty pool to spend, instead of the 18 I usually have left by the time I get something going. > Hah! Quite the change. Being sarcastic again, I assume? If not, then I think they are very much the same. The stealth's lighter, but it includes FoM, and blocking is no longer a no-brainer since he has a hefty amount of Claws and at least some Kiss of Ra (seems to always have it, but that could just be appearances). > Man, how would Lazvernius + Eternal Vigilance do in your group? Or > did you try that recently? Seems like it'd be a pretty sweet way to > knock down the weenies. Or maybe !Toreador + Art of Pain. Gargoyles > + Armor of Terra + Atonement + Freak Drive? I may pick Laz back up again. For a while, he was 'claimed' by another player who liked him a lot, so I just avoided decks with him in them (same as I avoid Lasombra in general just because one of our players is nuts for them and plays several different ones regularly). I am thinking about deliberately contesting the low cap Malkavians, just because this is starting to affect my desire to play the game, but I haven't thought of a deck built around them that: A) amuses me and B) isn't a clone of one of the other "uber efficient" weenie decks these guys crank out. David Cherryholmes Duke Radiology P.E.T. Facility (919) 684-7714 david.che...@duke.edu

David Cherryholmes wrote: > I am thinking about deliberately contesting the low cap Malkavians, > just because this is starting to affect my desire to play the game, > but I haven't thought of a deck built around them that: A) amuses me > and B) isn't a clone of one of the other "uber efficient" weenie > decks these guys crank out. Josh (I assume you've forgiven him) had a funny weenie malk deck with tons of bribes, and the rider clauses, cryptic riders, malk justicar and maybe some anarchs? I forget. Anyway it was pretty efficient which might not be your 'thing'. Just build a deck that uses all their fun cards, like Malkavian game, muddles, etc... Fun. Colin Riggs

In message <b4o7kb$2169uu$1...@ID-146737.news.dfncis.de>, "Colin Riggs" <colin...@yahoo.com> mumbled something about: [ quoted text not captured ] Also don't forget that superior AUS provides Telepathic Vote Counting. Victoria can pass a number of votes this way... Night Moves with someone else to gain the Edge, drop the vote + Bribes, and now your vote is passing by two for starters. TVC the one loser who won't be a pool whore, and presto! :D -- "There's no gray. There's just white that's got grubby." -- T.P.

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Colin Riggs wrote: > Josh (I assume you've forgiven him) had a funny weenie malk deck with tons > of bribes, and the rider clauses, cryptic riders, malk justicar and maybe > some anarchs? I forget. Anyway it was pretty efficient which might not be > your 'thing'. Just build a deck that uses all their fun cards, like > Malkavian game, muddles, etc... Fun. I might. The only weenie deck I've played in about three years was a Bribes deck. I needed all the distinct acting minions to do what I wanted to do with Bribes. Actually, it was built around PRO, and included Raven, Badger, and Camille, so it wasn't *exactly* a weenie deck, but close enough. [ quoted text not captured ]

>Not wedded to the Tremere, except that it's a Muaziz deck. I don't think >I own a Marlene, though. Isn't she Sabbat only? I have ass for Sabbat >cards. No Marlene was reprinted in SW. FYI: All of the Lasombra vampires, all of the Tzimisce vampires, and all but one !Ventrue were reprinted in SW. The only !Ventrue who didn't make the cut is the nasty, ugly 2-cap, Samson. Halcyan 2

halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote in message news:<20030316143111...@mb-cu.aol.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Too bad a whole load of em were only in the starters. -Bram Vink