I have been told in tournament that the way it is played now, you can again
play the same type of action modifier after it has been "directed" ; for
instance, if you added a conditionning, or played a Burning Wrath, and
someone plays a DI, you can play the same card again.
Is it true ?
Does it allow for repeat action ?
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"Orpheus" <orph...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> I have been told in tournament that the way it is played now, you can again
> play the same type of action modifier after it has been "directed" ; for
> instance, if you added a conditionning, or played a Burning Wrath, and
> someone plays a DI, you can play the same card again.
> Is it true ?
IIRC, DI prevents you from playing the same action modifier, but other cards
that are not restricted to one per action are not affected.
Thus, if you DI my Conditioning, I may not play another Conditioning.
If you DI my Burning Wrath, I can play another one, since that strike was
cancelled, and there are no restrictions on playing more than one of the same
combat card in combat.
If you DI my Govern the Unaligned, the action is cancelled, and I can Govern the
Unaligned again, because I never completed that action (and thereby am not
"tainted" by NRA).
Then again, IANALSJ.
Xian
>> I have been told in tournament that the way it is played now, you can again
>> play the same type of action modifier after it has been "directed" ; for
>> instance, if you added a conditionning, or played a Burning Wrath, and
>> someone plays a DI, you can play the same card again.
>> Is it true ?>
>IIRC, DI prevents you from playing the same action modifier, but other cards
>that are not restricted to one per action are not affected.
Yes that is correct. Whatever minion card it was, it was still *played*, so it
counts against the action modifier or reaction limit (and also card text limit,
such as with Carrion Crows or Ancient Influence).
>Thus, if you DI my Conditioning, I may not play another Conditioning.
>If you DI my Burning Wrath, I can play another one, since that strike was
>cancelled, and there are no restrictions on playing more than one of the same
>combat card in combat.
>If you DI my Govern the Unaligned, the action is cancelled, and I can Govern
>the
>Unaligned again, because I never completed that action (and thereby am not
>"tainted" by NRA).
Yeppers. With most other combat cards (those without a limitation), you can
just play another copy. And since NRA occurs at resolution (which isn't reached
due to DI), you aren't tainted, as Xian said.
Halcyan 2
P.S. We missed you at the Chicago Tourney Christian. You should have come!
There was free stuff up the wazoo! =)
(snip
>
> Yes that is correct. Whatever minion card it was, it was still *played*, so it
> counts against the action modifier or reaction limit (and also card text limit,
> such as with Carrion Crows or Ancient Influence).
Wrong DI does not count against NRA so the card is canceled which
means you can play the same action modifier again as well as the same
reaction card.
>
> >Thus, if you DI my Conditioning, I may not play another Conditioning.
> >If you DI my Burning Wrath, I can play another one, since that strike was
> >cancelled, and there are no restrictions on playing more than one of the same
> >combat card in combat.
> >If you DI my Govern the Unaligned, the action is cancelled, and I can Govern
> >the
> >Unaligned again, because I never completed that action (and thereby am not
> >"tainted" by NRA).
>
>
> Yeppers. With most other combat cards (those without a limitation), you can
> just play another copy. And since NRA occurs at resolution (which isn't reached
> due to DI), you aren't tainted, as Xian said.
Correct the card is canceled so treat it as never being played
although I'm not sure about cards that are only playable once per game
though since a suddened Giants Blood is also treated as played.
Emile
"Emile Bosman" <ebo...@hotmail.com> wrote *a lot of wrong things* in message
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(snipette)
> Wrong DI does not count against NRA so the card is canceled which
> means you can play the same action modifier again as well as the same
> reaction card.
Utterly False.
+First : NRA only concerns action & action cards. If you DI an action card,
the action never reached resolution, so the NRA doesn't kick in. You are
free to play the same action card if you have another one in hand.
+Two : When an action modifier or reaction card has been played, it has been
played. But it just had no effect, and the blood is not spent.You cannot
play the same again. So if someone plays a Day Operation and you DI it, he
cannot play a second Day Operation. He can still play Daring the dawn if he
has one.
Understood ?
> > Yeppers. With most other combat cards (those without a limitation), you
can
> > just play another copy.> Correct the card is canceled so treat it as never being played
Utterly False Again !!
The card is treated as having been played. But with no effect. Hear this :
if you immortal grapple one of my presence monkeys, i can play D.I. on the
immortal grapple. You cannot play a second one right away because you can
play only one immortal grapple per round, as written on the card. So my
presence monkey is free to play majesty and untap =)
that's why D.I is so powerful !!
Obedience ? No ! Elder impersonation ? No ! Telepathic Misdirection ? No !
Drawing out the beast ? No ! Hidden Lurker ? No !
Reyda The Righteous
"reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Who is indeed right, this is covered in the FAQ ( definition of "played" ).
A card cancelled is still considered played but it's text does not take
effect. In the IG example, even though that text of the first IG doesn't
take effect it's still considered played and the text on the second IG
prevents it from being played. "a vampire may only play one Immortal Grapple
per round".
Xian wrote:
>
> "Orpheus" <orph...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> news:acou2o$aqt$1...@wanadoo.fr...
> > I have been told in tournament that the way it is played now, you can again
> > play the same type of action modifier after it has been "directed" ; for
> > instance, if you added a conditionning, or played a Burning Wrath, and
> > someone plays a DI, you can play the same card again.
> > Is it true ?
>
> IIRC, DI prevents you from playing the same action modifier, but other cards
> that are not restricted to one per action are not affected.
Close enough. Actually, it is the rules on action modifiers, not DI, that prevents
you from playing the same action modifier.
> Thus, if you DI my Conditioning, I may not play another Conditioning.
Correct.
> If you DI my Burning Wrath, I can play another one, since that strike was
> cancelled, and there are no restrictions on playing more than one of the same
> combat card in combat.
Correct.
> If you DI my Govern the Unaligned, the action is cancelled, and I can Govern the
> Unaligned again, because I never completed that action (and thereby am not
> "tainted" by NRA).
Correct.
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"reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3cf24a49$0$23266$79c1...@nan-newsreader-01.noos.net>...
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Well you didn't had too bite my head off :P well I guess we've been
playing it wrong over here in Holland it was the cause of much
confusion.
Thanx though for the claryfication.
Emile (Minding his own buisness from now on)
"Emile Bosman" <ebo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Well you didn't had too bite my head off :P well I guess we've been
> playing it wrong over here in Holland it was the cause of much
> confusion.
no offense pal =)
i just tried to use strong examples to show you the power of this card
> Thanx though for the claryfication.
no problem
> Emile (Minding his own buisness from now on)
feel free to ask when you're sure ;)
i already had my head cut off too, and i'm still there =p
Reyda the Righteous
LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<3CF28DC8...@white-wolf.com>...
> Xian wrote:
> >
> > "Orpheus" <orph...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> > news:acou2o$aqt$1...@wanadoo.fr...
> > > I have been told in tournament that the way it is played now, you can
> > > again
> > > play the same type of action modifier after it has been "directed" ; for
> > > instance, if you added a conditionning, or played a Burning Wrath, and
> > > someone plays a DI, you can play the same card again.
> > > Is it true ?
> >
> > IIRC, DI prevents you from playing the same action modifier, but other cards
> > that are not restricted to one per action are not affected.
>
> Close enough. Actually, it is the rules on action modifiers, not DI, that prevents
> you from playing the same action modifier.
>
> > Thus, if you DI my Conditioning, I may not play another Conditioning.
>
> Correct.
>
Ok, I suppose this ruling must apply to Iron Heart as well ?
I throw a vote, I use Awe, I use Voter Cap. In response to this you
Iron Heart and I can't play another Voter Cap. ?
Dj Mik
(DJ.Mik) asked:
>I throw a vote, I use Awe, I use Voter Cap. In response
>to this you Iron Heart and I can't play another Voter Cap. ?
Right.
You cannot play Iron Heart until the action modifier is played.
Once it has been played, you cannot play another of the same name.
You can never play two action modifiers of the same name by the same
minion on the same action.
Definition of action modifiers, 1.6.3.2 of the online rulebook.
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/
"A minion cannot play the same action modifier more than once during a
single action."
Carpe noctem.
Lasombra
http://www.TheLasombra.com