LSJ: Erciyes Fragment question

I'll re-ask this question in its own thread.. If you use the Erciyes Fragment to take a vote card from your prey's ashheap, can you use it for a vote on someone else's referendum? Specifically, the rules define it (poorly) as "using a political action card" and that "political action cards used for votes are simply burned without regard to the text on the cards." Does this meet the ability granted by the EF to "play the card from the Fragments as if playing it from your hand", or is "using" the vote in your hand officially distinct from "playing" the card in your hand? I'd assume the answer is that you cannot do that, because the EF does not provide you with the ability to burn that card, only play it, but an official ruling would be appreciated. -John Flournoy

[ quoted text not captured ] I would be inclined to agree. (That Erciyes does *not* allow you to burn the PA for a vote). Erciyes Fragment only allows you to *play* the card. According to the rules/rulings, burning a card for a vote during a referendum is *not* "playing" the card. (Hence why you pitching Ancient Influence for a vote doesn't prevent it from being played). Since burning a card for a vote doesn't count as "playing the card" for Ancient Influence / Political Stranglehold / Reins of Power, I don't see why it would for Erciyes Fragment. Halcyan 2

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

My question is... If I take it untapped... Could I use and burn the card, tap it to get another card on it... Then use and burn it again? On the same turn? on the same action? EF has a govern on it, and is untapped... I bleed with the govern on the card, and tap it to get a conditioning from my prey's ash heap. Can I burn and use the conditioning? Or is it once per action/turn? LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<40871D59...@white-wolf.com>... [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. To be "once per action/turn" it would need text to that effect. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:40871D59...@white-wolf.com... [ quoted text not captured ] So if a once per game card has been played and you have a second copy on the Erciyes Fragment, that card effectively locks up the fragment since you cannot play it, and cannot 'discard'. Correct? Raille

Raille wrote: > So if a once per game card has been played and you have a second copy on the > Erciyes Fragment, that card effectively locks up the fragment since you > cannot play it, and cannot 'discard'. As does a Call the Great Beast. Oddly enough, no one wanted to bother stealing the Fragment after that... --Colin McGuigan