Can i play Gangrel Justicar on a Independent Gangrel like Xavier or
Zayyat, etc.???
because the card says choose a ready gangrel but nowhere it says it
must be camarilla. but i believe that the card turns the vampire into
camarilla
my friends said me that the vampire must be camarilla, but i still
have the doubt
thanks for your patience
On 25 Oct 2004 16:30:32 -0700, fina...@hotmail.com (ThE_OnLy_VipeR)
wrote:
>Can i play Gangrel Justicar on a Independent Gangrel like Xavier or
>Zayyat, etc.???
No.
Only Camarilla vampires can become Justicars.
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/
Section 10.1
>because the card says choose a ready gangrel but nowhere it says it
>must be camarilla. but i believe that the card turns the vampire into
>camarilla
The rules are clear so that the card needn't be.
http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/rulebook.html#sec10_1
"Only Camarilla vampires can be primogen, princes, justicars or Inner
Circle members. Additionally, clan justicar titles can only be held by
a vampire of the appropriate clan. "
Carpe noctem.
Lasombra
http://www.TheLasombra.com
"The Lasombra" <TheLa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 25 Oct 2004 16:30:32 -0700, fina...@hotmail.com (ThE_OnLy_VipeR)
> wrote:
>
> >Can i play Gangrel Justicar on a Independent Gangrel like Xavier or
> >Zayyat, etc.???
> No.
> Only Camarilla vampires can become Justicars.
> http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulebook/
> Section 10.1
Correct.
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> another question, Xaviar equips himself with a Writ of Acceptance, now
> he becomes camarilla with two votes, now another vampire calls a
> gangrel justicar to make Xaviar justicar, te referendum passes, now
> Xaviar has five votes, i'm right?
>
Wrong. "2 votes" is a title.
[ quoted text not captured ]
Correct. So Xaviar would lose his "Xaviar has 2 votes" title when
he gains his Justicar title.
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"ThE_OnLy_VipeR" <fina...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Gregory Stuart Pettigrew <ethe...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote in
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[ quoted text not captured ]> so that would mean that if Xaviar plays a writ of acceptance he would
> loose his 2 votes after becoming camarilla, because his 2 votes are
> his title as independent, but in the camarilla you must be primogen,
> prince, justicar, or inner circle to have votes
No. "I have two votes" is not tied to sect.
"Only Camarilla vampires can be primogen, princes, justicars or Inner
Circle members." is not the same as "The only titles a Camarilla vampire
may hold are: p,p,j, and IC"
[ quoted text not captured ]
"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:<2vjvuaF...@uni-berlin.de>...
> "ThE_OnLy_VipeR" <fina...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:576ea13a.0411...@posting.google.com...
> > Gregory Stuart Pettigrew <ethe...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net> wrote in
> message news:<2004111118...@sidehack.sat.gweep.net>...
> > > > another question, Xaviar equips himself with a Writ of Acceptance,
> now
> > > > he becomes camarilla with two votes, now another vampire calls a
> > > > gangrel justicar to make Xaviar justicar, te referendum passes, now
> > > > Xaviar has five votes, i'm right?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Wrong. "2 votes" is a title.
> >
> > so that would mean that if Xaviar plays a writ of acceptance he would
> > loose his 2 votes after becoming camarilla, because his 2 votes are
> > his title as independent, but in the camarilla you must be primogen,
> > prince, justicar, or inner circle to have votes
>
> No. "I have two votes" is not tied to sect.
>
> "Only Camarilla vampires can be primogen, princes, justicars or Inner
> Circle members." is not the same as "The only titles a Camarilla vampire
> may hold are: p,p,j, and IC"
so if i play a writ of aceptance in xaviar he becomes a titled
camarilla vampire, so it can be aided by efects like the elysium the
palace of versalles, to gain one aditional vote, right?
On 30 Nov 2004 19:39:04 -0800, ThE_OnLy_VipeR <fina...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
[ quoted text not captured ]
Right. An Independent titled vampire with titles like "1 vote" or "2 votes"
will become a titled camarilla vampire, retaining his or her "1 vote" or
"2 votes", if he or she gets the writ.
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Bye,
Daneel
In message <opsibi0d...@news.chello.hu>, Daneel <dan...@eposta.hu>
writes:
>On 30 Nov 2004 19:39:04 -0800, ThE_OnLy_VipeR <fina...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:>> so if i play a writ of aceptance in xaviar he becomes a titled
>> camarilla vampire, so it can be aided by efects like the elysium the
>> palace of versalles, to gain one aditional vote, right?>
>Right. An Independent titled vampire with titles like "1 vote" or "2 votes"
>will become a titled camarilla vampire, retaining his or her "1 vote"
>or
>"2 votes", if he or she gets the writ.
My ELDB may have out of date text. (I don't remember any changes off
the top of my head but...) If so, ignore this.
Elysium: The Palace of Versaille specifies Primogen, Prince, Justicar
and Inner Circle. Xaviar with a Writ is not one of these. Camarilla
and titled, yes. Eligible for E:PoV, no.
--
James Coupe
PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D Who's ever heard of that, though!
EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 Designing a deck that just calls votes.
13D7E668C3695D623D5D That's crazy talk, there.
James Coupe <ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote in message news:<JqgB0fAS...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>...
> In message <opsibi0d...@news.chello.hu>, Daneel <dan...@eposta.hu>
> writes:
> >On 30 Nov 2004 19:39:04 -0800, ThE_OnLy_VipeR <fina...@hotmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> so if i play a writ of aceptance in xaviar he becomes a titled
> >> camarilla vampire, so it can be aided by efects like the elysium the
> >> palace of versalles, to gain one aditional vote, right?
> >
> >Right. An Independent titled vampire with titles like "1 vote" or "2 votes"
> >will become a titled camarilla vampire, retaining his or her "1 vote"
> >or
> >"2 votes", if he or she gets the writ.
>
> My ELDB may have out of date text. (I don't remember any changes off
> the top of my head but...) If so, ignore this.
>
> Elysium: The Palace of Versaille specifies Primogen, Prince, Justicar
> and Inner Circle. Xaviar with a Writ is not one of these. Camarilla
> and titled, yes. Eligible for E:PoV, no.
the older version of the elysium says so, but the new text says tap to
give 1 aditional vote to ANY titled camarilla vampire you control, it
no more says "primogen, prince, justicar or inner circle"
In article <JqgB0fAS...@gratiano.zephyr.org.uk>, James Coupe
<ja...@zephyr.org.uk> wrote:
>My ELDB may have out of date text. (I don't remember any changes off
>the top of my head but...) If so, ignore this.
>
>Elysium: The Palace of Versaille specifies Primogen, Prince, Justicar
>and Inner Circle. Xaviar with a Writ is not one of these. Camarilla
>and titled, yes. Eligible for E:PoV, no.
The text has changed in Camarilla Edition:
Name: Elysium: The Palace of Versailles
[DS:U2, CE:PTo]
Cardtype: Master
Cost: 2 pool
Master: unique location.
During {the referendum of} a political action, you may tap this card to
give 1 additional vote to each ready titled Camarilla vampire you control.
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charles lechasseur - da...@novideospamtron.ca