At our weekly game last night, one of the players
performed a first in our group. Earlier in the night,
this methusaleh had gained two master actions a turn,
to set up this trick:
In the active region were Carlotta Giovanni and
Democritus (with a Soul Gem). The first master
action was to minion-tap Democritus for all ten
blood. The second master action was to play
Golconda on Democritus to burn him and collect
another ten blood. The Soul Gem was given to
the top vamp in his crypt who immediately became
active. Next.....Carlotta took an action to
pull Democritus out of the ash heap, and place
him in the active region also. Democritus then
took an action to retreive the Soul Gem from
its current owner.
The net result was: a cost to Democritus of nine
blood; an addition of 20 pool; and a 'free'
vampire from the crypt.
Carlotta later retreived Golconda from the ash head,
and this trick was attempted again. But it didn't
work as well since opponents saved Sudden-Reversals
to prevent it.
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On 2 Apr 1996, Dick Johnson wrote:
> At our weekly game last night, one of the players
> performed a first in our group. Earlier in the night,
> this methusaleh had gained two master actions a turn,
> to set up this trick:> In the active region were Carlotta Giovanni and
> Democritus (with a Soul Gem). The first master
> action was to minion-tap Democritus for all ten
> blood. The second master action was to play
> Golconda on Democritus to burn him and collect
> another ten blood. The Soul Gem was given to
> the top vamp in his crypt who immediately became
> active. Next.....Carlotta took an action to
> pull Democritus out of the ash heap, and place
> him in the active region also. Democritus then
> took an action to retreive the Soul Gem from
> its current owner.
There is a slight problem in your figuring. Carlotta retrieves from the
Ashheap. If I remember correctly, burned vampires do not go to the
ashheap. Even if they do, Carlotta's ability would put the vampire in
your hand, where there is no defined ability to do anything with a crypt
card. If you were to use Gaspare Giovanni, I think you would be much
better off. He can return burned vampires to the top of your crypt.
> The net result was: a cost to Democritus of nine
> blood; an addition of 20 pool; and a 'free'
> vampire from the crypt.
Actually, the net result was an addition of ten pool. You had to spend
10 to get the original Democritus out in the first place. Still 10 pool
from only 2 master cards and an action is pretty good.
> Carlotta later retreived Golconda from the ash head,
> and this trick was attempted again. But it didn't
> work as well since opponents saved Sudden-Reversals
> to prevent it.
One way you could get this to be the "theme" of the deck is to use to 10
blood vampires. Once you had one of them in play, add a skill card to the
Soul Gem carrier. Minion Tap/Golconda. Get out a new, random vampire.
Gaspare Giovanni retrieves one of the big 10 when you get the other one.
At this point, you can cycle through a 3 turn Net gain of 21 pool, every
three turns.
1: Skill card to 10 pt. (who already has SG of Etrius), Carlotta retrievs
Golconda, Gaspare Retrieves other 10 pt (they lose 1 and 2 blood
respectively.
2. Minion Tap to (now) 11 pt. Carlotta and Gaspare hunt
(or otherwise recover their blood.
3. Golconda.
This can be shortened with an Anson or Rumors of Gehenna. Seduction
comes in _very_ handy to pull this off, and don't forget that Carlotta
has obfuscate. This could also be done with a Giovanni/Malkavian deck.
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On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, L. Scott Johnson wrote:
> In rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad you write:
> >On 2 Apr 1996, Dick Johnson wrote:
[Soul Gem trick]
> >There is a slight problem in your figuring. Carlotta retrieves from the
> >Ashheap. If I remember correctly, burned vampires do not go to the
> >ashheap. Even if they do, Carlotta's ability would put the vampire in
> >your hand, where there is no defined ability to do anything with a crypt
> >card. If you were to use Gaspare Giovanni, I think you would be much
> >better off. He can return burned vampires to the top of your crypt.> Quick note, Corrupter:
>
> Burned vampires *do* go to the ash heap.
> I believe he's referring to Carlotta taking a "Possession" action to
> retrieve Democitus, not her inherent action for library cards.
Thanks. I wasn't sure if they went to the ash heap, but C'est La vie.
The possession might make things go a little more quickly, but at less
pool gain. However, when we're talking about 10 pool over two turns or
21 pool over three, who can complain? :)
I think it might be fun to make the Soul Gem/Golconda deck with
Carlotta and all Giovanni. If I can get some of the rares, why not? :)
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Burned vampires are in the ash heap just like any other burned card.
However, Carlotta specifies that she can only retrieve library cards
from the ash heap, so has no way of getting back vampires such as
Democritus. Try Possession.
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The Corrupter <sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> wrote:
>
>One way you could get this to be the "theme" of the deck is to use to 10
>blood vampires. Once you had one of them in play, add a skill card to the
>Soul Gem carrier. Minion Tap/Golconda. Get out a new, random vampire.
>Gaspare Giovanni retrieves one of the big 10 when you get the other one.
>At this point, you can cycle through a 3 turn Net gain of 21 pool, every
>three turns.>1: Skill card to 10 pt. (who already has SG of Etrius), Carlotta retrievs
>Golconda, Gaspare Retrieves other 10 pt (they lose 1 and 2 blood
>respectively.
>2. Minion Tap to (now) 11 pt. Carlotta and Gaspare hunt
>(or otherwise recover their blood.
>3. Golconda.>This can be shortened with an Anson or Rumors of Gehenna. Seduction
>comes in _very_ handy to pull this off, and don't forget that Carlotta
>has obfuscate. This could also be done with a Giovanni/Malkavian deck.>"I can send and receive e-mail even over the Internet"-aol commercial>@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$@#$ #
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Actually I used a minor/weak variation on this for my Anubis deck that
was Nos/gangrel and used the Nos to identify which was the next
vampire in the crypt and kindred intelligence in case it was the wrong
one.
Problems were not enough Golcandas but now with sacrificial lamb I
hope to be able to try this someday.
Rory
In article <Pine.NXT.3.91.960402102445.360D-100000@pentode>, The Corrupter <sull...@cslab.uwlax.edu> writes:
> On 2 Apr 1996, Dick Johnson wrote:
>> > At our weekly game last night, one of the players
> > performed a first in our group. Earlier in the night,
> > this methusaleh had gained two master actions a turn,
> > to set up this trick:
>
>
>
>
> > In the active region were Carlotta Giovanni and
> > Democritus (with a Soul Gem). The first master
> > action was to minion-tap Democritus for all ten
> > blood. The second master action was to play
> > Golconda on Democritus to burn him and collect
> > another ten blood. The Soul Gem was given to
> > the top vamp in his crypt who immediately became
> > active. Next.....Carlotta took an action to
> > pull Democritus out of the ash heap, and place
> > him in the active region also. Democritus then
> > took an action to retreive the Soul Gem from
> > its current owner.
>> There is a slight problem in your figuring. Carlotta retrieves from the
> Ashheap. If I remember correctly, burned vampires do not go to the
> ashheap. Even if they do, Carlotta's ability would put the vampire in
> your hand, where there is no defined ability to do anything with a crypt
> card. If you were to use Gaspare Giovanni, I think you would be much
> better off. He can return burned vampires to the top of your crypt.
>
Well, no. He was using Possession. It could be done with any Vampire
with superior Necromancy, but Carlotta also has lots of blood and a nice power.
> > The net result was: a cost to Democritus of nine
> > blood; an addition of 20 pool; and a 'free'
> > vampire from the crypt.
>
> Actually, the net result was an addition of ten pool. You had to spend
> 10 to get the original Democritus out in the first place. Still 10 pool
> from only 2 master cards and an action is pretty good.
>
No. When he used the Soul Gem, he got a new vampire. This is similar
to the Goodnight Sweet Prince / Possession loop, Possession is a wanker card.
No damn good in real life, but if you do nasty loops with it, you get free
stuff, which is bad.
> > Carlotta later retreived Golconda from the ash head,
> > and this trick was attempted again. But it didn't
> > work as well since opponents saved Sudden-Reversals
> > to prevent it.
>> One way you could get this to be the "theme" of the deck is to use to 10
> blood vampires. Once you had one of them in play, add a skill card to the
> Soul Gem carrier. Minion Tap/Golconda. Get out a new, random vampire.
> Gaspare Giovanni retrieves one of the big 10 when you get the other one.
> At this point, you can cycle through a 3 turn Net gain of 21 pool, every
> three turns.
>
> 1: Skill card to 10 pt. (who already has SG of Etrius), Carlotta retrievs
> Golconda, Gaspare Retrieves other 10 pt (they lose 1 and 2 blood
> respectively.
> 2. Minion Tap to (now) 11 pt. Carlotta and Gaspare hunt
> (or otherwise recover their blood.
> 3. Golconda.
>
But you forgot Possession, which is a card that shortens the loop and
saves you 11 pool.
> This can be shortened with an Anson or Rumors of Gehenna. Seduction
> comes in _very_ handy to pull this off, and don't forget that Carlotta
> has obfuscate. This could also be done with a Giovanni/Malkavian deck.
>
Or, as noted earlier, Ravnos for their capacity to stick guys into the
Ash Heap. :)
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> Next.....Carlotta took an action to
> pull Democritus out of the ash heap, and place
Wouldn't it take Gaspare Giovanni to pull Democritus from the ash heap?
Sorry, just a thought.
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