Changes from Jyhad to V:TES??

Just a question about stuff that has probably been asked a thousand times. I just wonder if I have these lists correct. Cards in Jyhad that are not in V:TES: Camille Devereaux Chainsaw Consealed Weapon Monocle of Clarity Movement of the Slow Body Rotschreck Rowan Ring New cards created for V:TES that are not in Jyhad: Archon Investigation Elder Intervention Justicar Retribution Protected Resources Raven Shadow of the Beast Also, all the stats for Raven are the same as Camille, is the artwork the same between the two? Just curious, Totengraber -- "How can you call me evil? Have you spoken to God today? What did he say?" Suicidal Tendencies - Pledge Your Allegiance Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

"Totengraber" <totengr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:8snd0e$blr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... [snip card list] Looks right to me. > Also, all the stats for Raven are the same as Camille, is the artwork > the same between the two? Nope. IIRC, the reason for the change was some disagreement/copyright thing with the artist. Different name, same stats, new art. Xian

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000, Xian wrote: > > Also, all the stats for Raven are the same as Camille, is the artwork > > the same between the two? > > Nope. IIRC, the reason for the change was some disagreement/copyright thing > with the artist. Different name, same stats, new art. Erm, the story I heard was that it was, effectively, a portrait of some famous (in America) chick. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D "And all the while I'm thinking things that I can never share with him. I'm a bundle of confusion, yet it has a strange appeal. Did it all begin with him and the way he makes me feel?"

"James Coupe" <jr...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message news:Pine.SOL.4.21.00102...@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk... [Raven, Camille] > Erm, the story I heard was that it was, effectively, a portrait of some > famous (in America) chick. Huh. Well, I pay so little attention to pop culture (from this day and age) that I probably wouldn't know anyway. Oh well. Xian -- I'd tell the world and save my soul, But rain falls down and I feel cold. A cold that sleeps within my heart, It tears the earth and sun apart. --_Shellshock_, New Order www.waste.org/~xian

On Fri, 20 Oct 2000, Xian wrote: > Huh. Well, I pay so little attention to pop culture (from this day and age) > that I probably wouldn't know anyway. Oh well. Sorry, what is this popular culture of which you speak? [ quoted text not captured ]

>>> Also, all the stats for Raven are the same as Camille, is the >>> artwork the same between the two? >> >> Nope. IIRC, the reason for the change was some >> disagreement/copyright thing with the artist. >> Different name, same stats, new art. > > Erm, the story I heard was that it was, effectively, a portrait > of some famous (in America) chick. What I understood to be the case was that the image was a painted copy of a picture from a Victoria's Secret catalog and that the artwork was a violation of copyright. I first heard this when Jyhad was still in print and I'm not entirely sure about the accuracy of the story...although it does make sense. Regards, Noal McDonald -- "I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species, of pure sons of bitches." --Faulkner, "The Mansion" [ quoted text not captured ]

>What I understood to be the case was that the image was a painted copy >of a picture from a Victoria's Secret catalog and that the artwork was a >violation of copyright. I first heard this when Jyhad was still in print >and I'm not entirely sure about the accuracy of the story...although it >does make sense. I heard the same story too. Maybe it's one of those weird urban legends... Halcyan 2

Halcyan 2 wrote: >>I heard the same story too. Maybe it's one of those weird urban legends...>> Nope. Camille was painted from a picture of Stephanie Seymore, well known Victoria's Secret model, and ex-wife of Axl Rose (she is featured prominently in Guns-n-Roses magnum opus of a preposterous rock video, "November Rain"). Peter D Bakija PD...@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/bakija6 "Why so many swords?" "I must kill many." -Kikuchiyo

pd...@aol.comANTISPAM (Peter D Bakija) wrote: > Halcyan 2 wrote: > > I heard the same story too. Maybe it's one of those weird urban > > legends... > > Nope. Camille was painted from a picture of Stephanie Seymore, > well known Victoria's Secret model... The image itself comes from a Victoria's Secret catalog image. For your viewing pleasure, and to quell the doubts of those that supsect this is just an urban legend, I've uploaded a scan (found elsewhere on the net) of the catalog image which served as the base of the Camille image to the V:TES club at Yahoo! http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/vtes Break out your old Camille card and compare. -- L. Scott Johnson sjoh...@math.sc.edu Graphics Specialist [ quoted text not captured ]

On 21 Oct 2000, Peter D Bakija wrote: > Nope. Camille was painted from a picture of Stephanie Seymore, well known > Victoria's Secret model, Like I said, some famous (in America) chick. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sat, 21 Oct 2000, James Coupe wrote: > On 21 Oct 2000, Peter D Bakija wrote: > > > Nope. Camille was painted from a picture of Stephanie Seymore, well known > > Victoria's Secret model, > > Like I said, some famous (in America) chick. She's not famous here. I have never heard of her. I have no doubt that she is fairly well known within her field (fashion model) but that does not make her famous. -- John Whelan

In article <Pine.GSO.4.21.00102...@amanda.dorsai.org>, [ quoted text not captured ] Erm, isn't Victoria's secret a sex shop? Enquiring minds Need to Know. [ quoted text not captured ]

> Erm, isn't Victoria's secret a sex shop? Enquiring minds Need to Know. No, just a lingerie/clothes shop... you are thinking of Frederick's of Hollywood... Not that I would know this readily, had to ask the wife... yeah that's it... had to ask the wife... oAFLORD

On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 legb...@my-deja.com wrote: > Erm, isn't Victoria's secret a sex shop? Enquiring minds Need to Know. Sex shop? I don't think so. They are merely a clothing outlet that specializes in women's undergarments, lingerie, etc. I'm not very familiar with them, but I have been under the impression that what they offer is fairly mainstream. -- John Whelan

In article <8t0t78$hev$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, legb...@my-deja.com wrote: > In article <Pine.GSO.4.21.00102...@amanda.dorsai.org>, > John Whelan <jbwh...@amanda.dorsai.org> wrote: > > > > [ quoted text not captured ] > Erm, isn't Victoria's secret a sex shop? Enquiring minds Need to Know. > > That kind of depends on your own Puritanical Factor (PF). To determine your PF follow the below and add them up. A positive PF means that you believe Victoria's Secret is a Sex Shop, and a negative PF means that you believe Victoria's Secret is a Retail Outlet. If you believe that sex is wrong +10 If you believe that sex is soley an act of reproduction +7 If you believe that sex is and always has been the provence of marriage +5 If you believe that "spicing up " your marriage is "immoral" +2 If you believe that "spicing up" your marriage is "okay" -1 If you believe that "spicing up" your marriage is a God given right and death to anyone who says otherwise -5 If you believe that Courvossie and polyester fur rugs are the appropriate modus operedi of today's citizen -7 If you believe that melted butter and whipped cream have other uses outside the kitchen -10 If you believe that Victory Secret needs to pubish a farm issue for live stock -20 Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown Jr. XZealot Archon of the Swamp [ quoted text not captured ]

John wrote: >>She's not famous here. I have never heard of her.>> Interesting defenition of "famous" ("Am I famous yet?" "I dunno--has John Whelan heard of you?"). I doubt Andy Warhol would agree (but then I have met people who have never heard of Andy Warhol. Does that mean he isn't famous?), but what can you do. I couldn't name a single member of the New York Yankees baseball team if someone put a gun to my head. Still, I suspect that at least a few of them would quallify as "famous". >>I have no doubt that she is fairly well known within her field (fashion model) but that does not make her famous.>> Stephanie Seymore was a fairly well known media personality in the early 90's, specifically because she trancended her field (fashion modeling)--she was on the cover of countless magazines, appeared on TV and film, and married (and divorced) a rather infamous (also at the time) rock star. That is pretty much as famous as it gets. Granted, her 15 minutes are now over, but for a window of time, she was defenitely famous. Mind you, I'm not a huge Stephanie Seymore fan or anything (I'm just fairly media savy). I'm just entertained by your notion of fame :-) Legbiter wrote: >>Erm, isn't Victoria's secret a sex shop? Enquiring minds Need to Know.>> Nah. Just a chain of shi-shi underwear shops--super engineered uber-bras and stuff. They are most well known for their penchant for mass mailing out catalogs that are highly prized by 14 year old boys... [ quoted text not captured ]

On 24 Oct 2000, Peter D Bakija wrote: > John wrote: > >>She's not famous here. I have never heard of her.>> > > Interesting defenition of "famous" ("Am I famous yet?" "I dunno--has John > Whelan heard of you?"). I doubt Andy Warhol would agree (but then I have met > people who have never heard of Andy Warhol. Does that mean he isn't famous?), > but what can you do. "Famous" is, of course, a relative term. A person can be "famous" within their narrow field, and still be unknown to the vast majority of people. But we were not discussing whether whe was "famous" withing a specific field, but whether she is "famous in America". The person who referred to her as "some famous (in America) chick" assumed that because he had never heard of her that therefore her fame must be much greater here, which I am unsure is the case. Associated as it was with rock stars and fashion industry, I suspect that whatever fame she had probably crossed borders, and to the extent that it did not, she was not all that famous. > I couldn't name a single member of the New York Yankees baseball team if > someone put a gun to my head. Still, I suspect that at least a few of them > would quallify as "famous". I don't follow sports either. But I can name a good many "famous" models, and she ain't one of them. > >>I have no doubt that she is fairly well known within her field (fashion > model) but that does not make her famous.>> > Stephanie Seymore was a fairly well known media personality in the > early 90's, specifically because she trancended her field (fashion > modeling)--she was on the cover of countless magazines, appeared on TV > and film, and married (and divorced) a rather infamous (also at the > time) rock star. That is pretty much as famous as it gets. Granted, > her 15 minutes are now over, but for a window of time, she was > defenitely famous. In light of this information, I will grant that she *was* slightly famous (for 15 minutes), though hardly as "famous as you can get". > Mind you, I'm not a huge Stephanie Seymore fan or anything (I'm just fairly > media savy). I'm just entertained by your notion of fame :-) Always happy to amuse. -- John Whelan

"Peter D Bakija" <pd...@aol.comANTISPAM> a écrit dans le message news: 20001023225554...@ng-fq1.aol.com... > John wrote: > >>She's not famous here. I have never heard of her.>> > > Interesting defenition of "famous" ("Am I famous yet?" "I dunno--has John > Whelan heard of you?"). Huge LOL for that !! > I couldn't name a single member of the New York Yankees baseball team if > someone put a gun to my head. Still, I suspect that at least a few of them > would quallify as "famous". LOL !!!!! reyda =)

Yea, models can come from anywhere...does anyone not see the resemblance between Spirital Protector and Brad Pitt? -- "The bittersweet Caress of a chill Eternity blazens my sword with dark flames of retribution." [ quoted text not captured ]

I've heard of her here in Sweden and knew she was a model, although I didn't know what she looked like until I saw the pic of her that LSJ provided. Since I don't know the name of THAT many models I'd conclude she's famous enough to be considered famous ;) [ quoted text not captured ]

You're right, Spiritual protector IS Brad Pitt !! And what about this: Jean Claude Van Damme & Hand of Conrad ? and more: Ventrue Wilhelm Waldburg looks like a well known german top model (i forgot his name), except his hairs are darker. Toreador Makarios somewhat looks like Antonio Banderas... Another Vampire from Dark Sovereign (Javier Montoya or Klaus van der Veken) is rumored to be a regular WotC illustrator, Randy Gallegos. French people may also feel something strange when looking at Form of Mist -The guy on the picture looks like Michel Drucker, a famous TV talker... reyda "Lord Darksword" <lord_dar...@my-deja.com> a écrit dans le message news: 8t9rbi$rvh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... [ quoted text not captured ]