Vampire Backsory

Has anyone compiled a list of the Vampires which don't exist in canon background? And which ones don't make sense. IE Sir Walter Nash is definitely not the prince of Chicago. While Camille Deveraux could conceivably be part of the background material. Just curious. Thinking about writing some backgrounds and stats for them. Cameron

On 2 Mar 2004, Cameron Murtagh wrote: > Has anyone compiled a list of the Vampires which don't exist in canon > background? Not to my knowledge. In general, vampires printed by WotC don't exist in canon while many of the vampires that were originally printed by White Wolf (watch for reprints) do exist in canon. There are exceptions to this such as (I think) Queen Anne and Francois Villon. Both Anne and Villon were originally printed by WotC, yet I understand they do exist in WoD canon. > And which ones don't make sense. IE Sir Walter Nash is definitely not > the prince of Chicago. While Camille Deveraux could conceivably be > part of the background material. Wally and Camille are both WotC vamps, so I don't think you'll find them in canon. I don't know how complete this is, but here's a page I've used from time to time in the past to look up a particular WoD vampire: http://www.patman.org/wod/genealogy/wodgenealogy.asp Good luck, and be sure to share what you come up with. Matt Morgan

cameron...@hotmail.com (Cameron Murtagh) writes: > Has anyone compiled a list of the Vampires which don't exist in canon > background? > > And which ones don't make sense. IE Sir Walter Nash is definitely not > the prince of Chicago. While Camille Deveraux could conceivably be > part of the background material. (Spell-checked the subject... Hope it breaks nothing. :-) Actually, the vamps from newer expansions are taken from the canon. For example, every single vampire from Final Nights can be found in one White Wolf book or another. Whereas I can't remember *any* vampire from the original Jyhad that came from Vampire: the Masquerade canon. Seems to me that: - Jyhad/Vampire base set had all non-canon. - Dark Sovreigns and Ancient Hearts had both canon (Etrius, Al Ashrad) and non-canon vamps. - I don't know about Sabbat. Had some canonical vamps though (Gratiano), so it has to be at least half-canonical. - from Final Nights onwards it seems to have been all canon, all the time. (not sure about Bloodlines though) Anyone here who owns every single V:tM book ever made, and would care to comment...?

"Matthew T. Morgan" <far...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.44.040303...@fnord.io.com... > On 2 Mar 2004, Cameron Murtagh wrote: > > > Has anyone compiled a list of the Vampires which don't exist in canon > > background? > > Not to my knowledge. In general, vampires printed by WotC don't exist in > canon while many of the vampires that were originally printed by White > Wolf (watch for reprints) do exist in canon. There are exceptions to > this such as (I think) Queen Anne and Francois Villon. Both Anne and > Villon were originally printed by WotC, yet I understand they do exist in > WoD canon. It is incomplete both Don Cerro and Theo Bell are missing from the Brujah list. -- Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, XZealot wrote: [WoD Geneaology website] > It is incomplete both Don Cerro and Theo Bell are missing from the Brujah > list. Yeah, on closer inspection the site says something about how it'll soon include Montreal by Night (a sourcebook that was released many years ago), so it's safe to assume that the site only covers early stuff. Anyone know of a better resource for stuff like this? Maybe WW will release some kind of anthology once the WoD is officially over. Matt Morgan

Matthew T. Morgan <far...@fnord.io.com> wrote: >> And which ones don't make sense. IE Sir Walter Nash is definitely not >> the prince of Chicago. While Camille Deveraux could conceivably be >> part of the background material. > Wally and Camille are both WotC vamps, so I don't think you'll find them > in canon. Of course, we all know that Camille Devereaux is the alternate identity of the Embraced supermodel, Stephanie Seymour.

Here is a complete list of all the Canonical Vampires. Note this list does not contain many vampires from the White Wolf Fiction, but by definition they are not Canonical, even though some of them are in the card game, Enjoy! http://www.pen-paper.net/wod.php?op=npc&npctypeid=1 David Wilson

"Matthew T. Morgan" <far...@fnord.io.com> wrote in message news:<Pine.LNX.4.44.040303...@fnord.io.com>... > On 2 Mar 2004, Cameron Murtagh wrote: > > > Has anyone compiled a list of the Vampires which don't exist in canon > > background? > > Not to my knowledge. In general, vampires printed by WotC don't exist in > canon while many of the vampires that were originally printed by White > Wolf (watch for reprints) do exist in canon. There are exceptions to > this such as (I think) Queen Anne and Francois Villon. Both Anne and > Villon were originally printed by WotC, yet I understand they do exist in > WoD canon. > A few of the others as well Etrius and so forth. Mostly it's the early expansions which are the most troubling. As some else pointed out the later ones are full of official vampires. The sets which are most troubling are Dark Sovereigns Ancient Hearts The Sabbat where they have a mix of canon and non-canon vampires. That's where I could use the help. Thanks everyone. CM SNIP

[ quoted text not captured ] Note that that list is not complete. The first vampire I looked for, L'Epuisette, for example, is not included. (She's from World of Darkness 2nd, p. 73) -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Janne Hägglund" <h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid> wrote in message news:m3oered...@etemenanki.homelinux.net... > cameron...@hotmail.com (Cameron Murtagh) writes: > > > Has anyone compiled a list of the Vampires which don't exist in canon > > background? > > <SNIP> > - I don't know about Sabbat. Had some canonical vamps though (Gratiano), > so it has to be at least half-canonical. The VTES Gratiano can't be THE WoD Gratiano (who diablerized Lasombra), can he? The diablerist would be an 11-cap, not an 8. The rule seems to be that generation = (15 - capacity) for most vamps, though there are exceptions, e.g., Xaviar who is 7th gen but shows up in VTES as a 10-cap. I suppose Gratiano could be an exception, but it seems like he's a big enough canon vamp that he should have the "right" capacity. (I guess Augustus Giovanni would be another exception... shouldn't he technically be a 12-cap after eating Cappadocius? Though of course that ruins game balance, so he has to cap out at 11.) Pat

Janne Hägglund <h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid> wrote: > cameron...@hotmail.com (Cameron Murtagh) writes: > >> Has anyone compiled a list of the Vampires which don't exist in canon >> background? >> >> And which ones don't make sense. IE Sir Walter Nash is definitely >> not the prince of Chicago. While Camille Deveraux could conceivably >> be >> part of the background material. > > (Spell-checked the subject... Hope it breaks nothing. :-) http://groups.google.com/groups?q=rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad Yes, it does. Don't mess with subject lines, no matter how anal you are. =) Kevin M., Prince of Henderson, NV (USA) "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier

Jozxyqk wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Embraced by A(x)ppol - (R)onius(e) (that's supposed to mean Axl Rose). -- chris shorb prince of torrance, where the 5th tradition rules.

"Pat Lusk" <patrick.l...@comcast.nyetspam.net> wrote in message news:<xtmdnXSmjs2...@comcast.com>... > The rule seems to be that generation = (15 - capacity) for most vamps, > though there are exceptions, e.g., Xaviar who is 7th gen but shows up in > VTES as a 10-cap. > The rule is not absolute. Capacity appears to reflect a combination of generation, power, and sect influence. This explains why Anastasz di Zagreb has an equivalent capacity to Lucita even though he is two generations removed from her (ninth and seventh, respectively). It would also explain why Camarilla Inner Circle members have capacity equal to Methuselahs such as Ur-Shulgi and Ezmerelda. -sleeve

(I guess > Augustus Giovanni would be another exception... shouldn't he technically be > a 12-cap after eating Cappadocius? Though of course that ruins game balance, > so he has to cap out at 11.) > It's always been bothering me that a Methuselah was able to manipulate a vampire so old and (supposedly) powerful as Augustus - and that this superhuman act of manipulation pays off so badly.. ;) //-Henrik.

> The VTES Gratiano can't be THE WoD Gratiano (who diablerized Lasombra), can > he? The diablerist would be an 11-cap, not an 8. But... Was the Lasombra antediluvian really diablerized? Are we sure? Tzimisce was said to, but it turned out he/she/it never was. Gratiano sure never did any fancy display of any antediluvianish powers. On the contrary, it seems he have kept a very low profile. But, OK, I confess I haven´t read Gehenna or any other recent sourcebook. From the top of my head, the vampires from the first three expansions that THEN was "canonical" were (and the books in which they was first mentioned): Dark Soveriegns: Wilhelm Waldburg (Berlin by Night) Francois Villon (World of Darkness 1st Edition) Queen Anne (World of Darkness 1st Edition) Etrius (Not sure, might be first mentioned in Clanbook Tremere 1st ed.) Ancient Hearts: Al-Ashrad, Amr of Alamut (Not sure, maybe Clanbook Assamite 1st ed.) Bindusara, Historian of the Kindred (Not sure, might be from World of Darkness Second Edition) Kemintiri (Kindred Most Wanted) Thetmes, Caliph of Alamut (Not sure, maybe Clanbook Assamite 1st ed.) The Sabbat: Gratiano (Children of the Inquisition) Lambach (Children of the Inquisition)

"sleeveboy" <sleev...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:24472056.04030...@posting.google.com... <SNIP> > It would also explain why Camarilla Inner Circle members have capacity > equal to Methuselahs such as Ur-Shulgi and Ezmerelda. > > -sleeve Are any of the IC members, other than Etrius, canon vamps? Except maybe Madame Guil, aren't all of the CE justicars canon? (at least with respect to the fiction, I don't know all the RPG source material). Pat

"Henrik Klippstr?m" <as...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:5a3b0aea.04030...@posting.google.com... > > The VTES Gratiano can't be THE WoD Gratiano (who diablerized Lasombra), can > > he? The diablerist would be an 11-cap, not an 8. > > But... Was the Lasombra antediluvian really diablerized? Are we sure? > Tzimisce was said to, but it turned out he/she/it never was. Gratiano > sure never did any fancy display of any antediluvianish powers. On the > contrary, it seems he have kept a very low profile. But, OK, I confess > I haven´t read Gehenna or any other recent sourcebook. > IIRC, the Lasombra clan trilogy strongly implies that Lasombra was somehow transformed into a creature of the Abyss, but I think it leaves it up in the air as to whether this was something voluntary on Lasombra's part or whether it was a consequence of the diablerie/attempted diablerie. It is also quite clear that some force had altered the memories of Montano, Gratiano, and all of the other childer of Lasombra so that they remember the events differently from reality. It never said who was responsible for the alterations, but it would (at minimum) had to have been a vampire of the 4th generation. Might have been Lasombra himself or might have been one of his childer or even another 4th gen. Pat

> <SNIP> > > It would also explain why Camarilla Inner Circle members have capacity > > equal to Methuselahs such as Ur-Shulgi and Ezmerelda. > > > > -sleeve > > Are any of the IC members, other than Etrius, canon vamps? > Don't know if Leandro is the actual IC member from clan malkavian, but there is a very old malkavian called Leandro in the RPG > Except maybe Madame Guil, aren't all of the CE justicars canon? (at least > with respect to the fiction, I don't know all the RPG source material). > > Pat > AFAIK, Madame Guil IS (was) the Toreador Justicar. All of CE justicars seem to be the actual justicars in the WoD. Smiling Tom

> The VTES Gratiano can't be THE WoD Gratiano (who diablerized Lasombra), can > he? The diablerist would be an 11-cap, not an 8. > The rule seems to be that generation = (15 - capacity) for most vamps, > though there are exceptions, e.g., Xaviar who is 7th gen but shows up in > VTES as a 10-cap. > I suppose Gratiano could be an exception, but it seems like he's a big > enough canon vamp that he should have the "right" capacity. (I guess > Augustus Giovanni would be another exception... shouldn't he technically be > a 12-cap after eating Cappadocius? Though of course that ruins game balance, > so he has to cap out at 11.) Can't say if this information was accounted for when designing these two specific vampires, but both diablerists didn't resume properly their attempts to "become Antediluvians" when it comes to "canon" background. Lasombra has reformed its body in the Abyss. Cappadocius' soul escaped. Neither Gratiano nor Augustus are "complete Antes".

> Except maybe Madame Guil, aren't all of the CE justicars canon? (at least > with respect to the fiction, I don't know all the RPG source material). > > Pat Madame Guil is canon. Unless something has been screwing up my memory, Clan Book Toreador: revised states something to the effect of "our new Justicar is Madame Guil, and she's been doing a good job", or atleast something like that. My book is with a friend right now so I can't doublecheck. She's in it, anyway :) Cheers Axel

On 2 Mar 2004 20:05:26 -0800, cameron...@hotmail.com (Cameron Murtagh) wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] I have no input (sorry) except to say that this sounds like a cool idea. -- pseudosoldier

> > Wally and Camille are both WotC vamps, so I don't think you'll find them > > in canon. > > Of course, we all know that Camille Devereaux is the alternate identity of > the Embraced supermodel, Stephanie Seymour. Oh really? I thought it was Michelle Phiffer. Like Wally is Trump, and Democritus is Arnie (that's governor Arnie to you). and the list is long and debatable. I wished this trend had gone over someone to the other sets. It sortta did. There's been alot of discussion in this town (well, not too much. We're not a bunch of losers with no life) about how Spiridonas looks alot like either Ozzy Osbourne or Jerry Seinfeld (in a certain light). Does anyone know of any secrets behind how the Nos were designed after? Oh yeah, the vamps that I know that are Canon fron the Jyhad set Democritus Tusk, The Tale Bearer As for DS and AH, quite a few more then just Queen Anne and Etrius (duh) The Setite Archon (Berlin by Night) Enzo Giovanni Al-Rashad, Thetmes Keminitri Bindusara And these are just a few of the names that I know from. adios, Jamie Seppo Prince of Gawler

monke...@yahoo.com (monkeycid) wrote in message news:<9510b665.04030...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] LOL, Madame Guil was justicar long before any other of the CE justicars. Check "Bloody Hearts: Diablerie Britain" (an OLD sourcebook). Speaking of old justicars, I would like to see Karl Schrekt in VtES - the ultimate badass munchkin twink justicar ever. Also, the first justicars (Corazon, Sforza, Fanchon...) would be fun. But maybe not possible as vamps, because of crypt constructon. Maybe as master cards? (like Smiling Jack). I guess this could be a way to introduce the Antediluvians too. Yes, I do look forward to the Gehenna set, where "the eldest vampires awaken".

Jamie The Seppo <moon...@hotkey.net.au> wrote: >> > Wally and Camille are both WotC vamps, so I don't think you'll find them >> > in canon. >> >> Of course, we all know that Camille Devereaux is the alternate identity of >> the Embraced supermodel, Stephanie Seymour. > Oh really? I thought it was Michelle Phiffer. Like Wally is Trump, > and Democritus is Arnie (that's governor Arnie to you). and the list > is long and debatable. No.. literally, Camille Devereaux's is a "cleverly" modified photograph of Stephanie Seymour. Ever wonder why she was replaced by Raven? Check out the photographic evidence in the yahoo group's photos section, under "Source for card art". http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vtes/

h...@iki.fi.remove.these.invalid (Janne Hägglund) wrote in message news:<m3oered...@etemenanki.homelinux.net>... > - from Final Nights onwards it seems to have been all canon, all the time. > (not sure about Bloodlines though) I know that all the Samedi are canon (and correctly represented in terms of their lineage; ie, George Frederick embraced Lithrac, etc.). I looked them up online once, though I can't remember where, and only remember that Jorge is from The Chaos Factor, as is good ol' Huizi. The Chicago circle of Blood Brothers are canon, from Under a Blood Red Moon. Ublo-Satha is from the 2nd Chicago By Night book, which is why I know that she's a "she" and not a "he." High Top (and I'm pretty sure one of the Ahrimanes) is from The Storyteller's Guide to the Sabbat. Marconius is also mentioned in that book as having wiped out most/all of the other vampires of Strasbourg and then declaring himself archbishop there. Does anyone know anything about Cock Robin? Best art in the game... John Eno, wiped out all the vampires in Pittsburgh and declared himself prince

[ quoted text not captured ] Augustus is powerful since he "diablerized" Cappadocius, but it's not exactly old. He's been a vampire for less than 900 years and a "Antediluvian" for less than 600. There are more strange cases in Jyhad, like ur-Shulgi - more than 10,000 years old, 4th generation, messenger of Haqim himself. Everytime I play with him I feel unworthy since I can't imagine myself as Haqim ;-)

> > It would also explain why Camarilla Inner Circle members have capacity > > equal to Methuselahs such as Ur-Shulgi and Ezmerelda. > > > > -sleeve > > Are any of the IC members, other than Etrius, canon vamps? Somebody said to me once that Alexandra is Callisti Y Callisto, sire of Rafael de Corazón. He has been an Inner Circle member in the past while Alexandra was travelling through Asia (backstory of de Corazon in Children of the Inquisition), and apparently came back to grab what's hers ;) Leandro seems to be the Leandro described as an "old methuselah", as someone else has posted before. Gwendolyn does ring a bell in my mind, but I couldn't find anything about her in my books. Arika, Harrod and Stanislava are complete mysteries to me. > Except maybe Madame Guil, aren't all of the CE justicars canon? (at least > with respect to the fiction, I don't know all the RPG source material). As posted before, Madame Guil is canon. Lucian is described as a very old and extremely secretive vampire, mentioned in Gehenna even as a possible Antediluvian, so we can't say that the old Lucian from Jyhad base set is canon. Ulugh Beg and Democritus seem familiar also, but maybe that's just because of their rather evocative names. Or maybe I've seen them as Sire in some character's sheet... Absimiliard appeared this way on WoD 1st Edition and remained a mystery until Transylvania Chronicles, I think. Or maybe some 2nd edition clanbook...

> Does anyone know anything about Cock Robin? Best art in the game... > > John Eno, wiped out all the vampires in Pittsburgh and declared himself prince It is some very cool art! In the WW fiction, Cock Robin is the successor to Petrodon, the murder of whom was one of the primary catalysts to the events of the Clan Novel series. (modern, not dark ages) He also makes a brief - but very dramatic - appearance in the third book of the Clan Brujah trilogy... but I don't want to say any more than that, it would spoil a good scene. Pat

> Except maybe Madame Guil, aren't all of the CE justicars canon? (at least > with respect to the fiction, I don't know all the RPG source material). All Justicars (including Madame Guil) is included in the "Children of the Night" book.

Quick fact about Queen Anne: She's only 5ft tall. ---------------- Based upon my reading of the Gehenna novel, I would presume that the following vampires may be included in the Gehena set: Tara - current Brujah Prince of Los Angeles, former Prince of San Diego and former Anarch leader Federico DiPadua - Nosferatu Archon Razeel - 4th Generation Salubri, progeny of Saulot Hardestadt - Leader of Clan Ventrue, Co-founder of the Camarilla Jenna Cross - Thin-blood and leader of the LA Anarchs. Progeny of Smiling Jack (but not in the usual way). The prophesied "Last Daughter", as referred to in the Book of Nod. Greyhound - Lasombra Cardinal Giangaleazzo - Lasombra, Camarilla Prince of Milan Righteous Endeavor - Tzimisce Inquisitioner Okulos - Nosferatu Kapaneus - Powerful elder (Crosses fingers to see him included ;) Beckett and Theo Bell are two major characters in the book, so Advanced versions of them may be printed.

> and Theo Bell are two major characters in the book, so Advanced versions of them > may be printed. NOOO! Not advanced Theo Bell!!!! I hate him! *repedetly jumping on Theo Bells head*

"Pat Lusk" <patrick.l...@comcast.nyetspam.net> wrote in message news:<xtedndgDweL...@comcast.com>... > In the WW fiction, Cock Robin is the successor to Petrodon, the murder of > whom was one of the primary catalysts to the events of the Clan Novel > series. (modern, not dark ages) I remember Petrondon's murder being mentioned in some RPG book or other. Is Cock Robin in the Nossie Clan Novel? Is it any good? And why is it that some of the clans got an entire trilogy...? > He also makes a brief - but very dramatic - appearance ...to kick everybody's ass, surely. > in the third book of > the Clan Brujah trilogy... but I don't want to say any more than that, it > would spoil a good scene. Is there any explanation anywhere of *why* he looks like a chicken? I really like that as a Nossie disfiguration - much more inventive than "blue and zitty." John Eno, blue and zitty

"kushiel" <thisi_s...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6f98ce2a.04030...@posting.google.com... > "Pat Lusk" <patrick.l...@comcast.nyetspam.net> wrote in message news:<xtedndgDweL...@comcast.com>... > > In the WW fiction, Cock Robin is the successor to Petrodon, the murder of > > whom was one of the primary catalysts to the events of the Clan Novel > > series. (modern, not dark ages) > > I remember Petrondon's murder being mentioned in some RPG book or other. Is > Cock Robin in the Nossie Clan Novel? Is it any good? And why is it that some > of the clans got an entire trilogy...? > Umm, sorry... I don't think CR is in the Clan Novel series at all. (maybe the Nossies haven't picked a new justicar as of the events of the series?) I enjoyed the CN series a lot, so much so that I'm reading the republished "Clan Novel Saga" version. CN: Nos is the last one in the series, so you'd have to make it through all 12 prior books to get to the Sewer Rats. But on the other hand, the Nossies (esp. Calebros and his brood) play a major role in the series, so there's plenty of hot Nos-on-Nos action throughout all 13 books. The Brujah and Lasombra trilogies were pretty good, esp. Brujah, although I was disappointed with Lucita's transformation at the end. The Tremere series was TURRIBLE (in best Bill Walton voice), it was slow, confusing, and left us with a whopping hanging plot thread at the end. I advise avoidance unless you're just a major fan of the Tremere and/or Aisling. > > He also makes a brief - but very dramatic - appearance > > ...to kick everybody's ass, surely. > Not telling, read the series. ;) > > in the third book of > > the Clan Brujah trilogy... but I don't want to say any more than that, it > > would spoil a good scene. > > Is there any explanation anywhere of *why* he looks like a chicken? I > really like that as a Nossie disfiguration - much more inventive than "blue > and zitty." > Not in the fiction, as far as I can recall. Pat, off to Harriburg in a few minutes

kushiel <thisi_s...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Is there any explanation anywhere of *why* he looks like a chicken? I > really like that as a Nossie disfiguration - much more inventive than "blue > and zitty." The artwork for Cock Robin in Children of the Night (a Chris Shy picture) doesn't make him look like a chicken. In this art, he looks more like a clown, extremely pale complexion and an exaggeratedly pointed chin. However, the origin of his name is from a poem called 'Who Killed Cock Robin?' in which the aforementionedly-deceased Cock was definitely a bird. Who killed Cock Robin? I, said the Sparrow, with my bow and arrow, I killed Cock Robin. Who saw him die? I, said the Fly, with my little eye, I saw him die. Who caught his blood? I, said the Fish, with my little dish, I caught his blood. Who'll make the shroud? I, said the Beetle, with my thread and needle, I'll make the shroud. Who'll dig his grave? I, said the Owl, with my pick and shovel, I'll dig his grave. Who'll be the parson? I, said the Rook, with my little book, I'll be the parson. Who'll be the clerk? I, said the Lark, if it's not in the dark, I'll be the clerk. Who'll carry the link? I, said the Linnet, I'll fetch it in a minute, I'll carry the link. Who'll be chief mourner? I, said the Dove, I mourn for my love, I'll be chief mourner. Who'll carry the coffin? I, said the Kite, if it's not through the night, I'll carry the coffin. Who'll bear the pall? We, said the Wren, both the cock and the hen, We'll bear the pall. Who'll sing a psalm? I, said the Thrush, as she sat on a bush, I'll sing a psalm. Who'll toll the bell? I said the bull, because I can pull, I'll toll the bell. All the birds of the air fell a-sighing and a-sobbing, when they heard the bell toll for poor Cock Robin.

> Umm, sorry... I don't think CR is in the Clan Novel series at all. (maybe > the Nossies haven't picked a new justicar as of the events of the series?) ummm.. sorry, but Cock Robin is DEFINITELY in the Nos Clan Novel. He clicks along, uses Cloak the Gathering, and summons a kindred-melting hoard of cockroaches. > I enjoyed the CN series a lot, so much so that I'm reading the republished > "Clan Novel Saga" version. CN: Nos is the last one in the series, so you'd > have to make it through all 12 prior books to get to the Sewer Rats. But on > the other hand, the Nossies (esp. Calebros and his brood) play a major role > in the series, so there's plenty of hot Nos-on-Nos action throughout all 13 > books. ewww... Nos on Nos action. Sick, but true. These two Nos are about to get it on, squishy style. One hairy little pervert and a blubbery whore from the '50s. ewww... bad mental image. > > Is there any explanation anywhere of *why* he looks like a chicken? I > > really like that as a Nossie disfiguration - much more inventive than > "blue > > and zitty." Each Nos is different in appearence. Some take on sick or feral animal features, somewhat like Gangrel, but more mangy in appearance. The 'Children of the Night' picture is way off of his character description, another testiment to Christopher Shy's inability to draw a Nosferatu (hell, even Casino Reeds looks more like a bloody sasquatch). Although I've seen one good Nos from him (Alonzo), most of them, especially the !Nos Christoph, all look the bloody same. Jamie Seppo Prince of Gawler First Come, First Staked

"Pat Lusk" <patrick.l...@comcast.nyetspam.net> wrote in message news:DuOdnXEiWue...@comcast.com... > Umm, sorry... I don't think CR is in the Clan Novel series at all. (maybe > the Nossies haven't picked a new justicar as of the events of the series?) > > I enjoyed the CN series a lot, so much so that I'm reading the republished > "Clan Novel Saga" version. CN: Nos is the last one in the series, so you'd > have to make it through all 12 prior books to get to the Sewer Rats. But on > the other hand, the Nossies (esp. Calebros and his brood) play a major role > in the series, so there's plenty of hot Nos-on-Nos action throughout all 13 > books. Clan Novel:Nosferatu does indeed have Cock Robin in it. In fact Robin's primary goal in the novel appears to be discovering who was involved with killing Petrodon and enacting vengance on behalf of the nossies. He shows up on page 198. -JTP