Fast Reaction corner-case question for LSJ

Player P1 has a Tremere T and a Gargoyle G who is a Tremere slave. Player P2 has an untapped vampire B and an untapped vampire with Auspex A. On P1's turn, T takes an action with B successfully blocks. G untaps T to engage in combat with B in T's stead. At this point, it is my understanding that T is STILL the "acting minion". Is this correct? G & B finish their combat. A plays Fast Reaction. Is Fast Reaction playable? If so, does A enter the Fast Reaction's combat with G or with T? It seems to me that the only printed card that changes the acting minion is Mask, and that the special Gargoyle slave ability never alters who the actor is. Furthermore, that Fast Reaction is intended as a card to punish a blocked actor (rather than whatever combat delegate the actor can manage to hide behind). Hence Fast Reaction should enable A to enter combat with T. The table disagreed :-/ An analagous situation is an acting Gargoyle hiding behind a superior Conscripted Statue (I would contend that Fast Reactions invokes a combat with the Gargoyle). I was unable to turn up any official or unofficial commentary along this line searching deja. LSJ?

Just read the card. (look for the last online text at www.white-wolf.com/vtes when you are not sure ) Fast Reaction [Jyhad, V:TES, CE] Cardtype: Reaction Discipline: Auspex Only usable after a combat **between a blocking minion you control other than this vampire and the acting minion.** [aus] Tap this vampire. This vampire enters combat with the acting minion. The first round of this new combat, the acting minion cannot strike. [AUS] As above, with an optional press. This should answer your question. When you use the gargoyle "bodyguard ability", your acting minion does not enter combat. You cannot play Fast reaction at all after the "bodyguard" combat . reyda

Solange Erci wrote: > > Player P1 has a Tremere T and a Gargoyle G who is a Tremere slave. > Player P2 has an untapped vampire B and an untapped vampire with > Auspex A. > > On P1's turn, T takes an action with B successfully blocks. G untaps T > to engage in combat with B in T's stead. > > At this point, it is my understanding that T is STILL the "acting > minion". Is this correct? Yes. > G & B finish their combat. A plays Fast Reaction. > > Is Fast Reaction playable? If so, does A enter the Fast Reaction's > combat with G or with T? Not playable, since G is not the acting minion. > It seems to me that the only printed card that changes the acting > minion is Mask, and that the special Gargoyle slave ability never > alters who the actor is. Furthermore, that Fast Reaction is intended > as a card to punish a blocked actor (rather than whatever combat > delegate the actor can manage to hide behind). Hence Fast Reaction > should enable A to enter combat with T. > > The table disagreed :-/ The table is correct. Fast Reaction is only playable after a combat between your blocking minion and someone else's acting minion. > An analagous situation is an acting Gargoyle hiding behind a superior > Conscripted Statue (I would contend that Fast Reactions invokes a > combat with the Gargoyle). Fast Reaction is not playable in that case, either, since the combat involved the blocking vampire and a non-acting minion (the statue). The acting minion never entered combat. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > Fast Reaction is not playable in that case, either, since the combat > involved the blocking vampire and a non-acting minion (the statue). > The acting minion never entered combat. hum, what happened to my post stating similar things ?? =( can any of you see it ?

[ quoted text not captured ] I got it :) Sten During

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. If google sees it, we can see it. (Better to check with google first before hitting the newsgroup with superfluous posts.) But the questioner asked for my response, and your response didn't quote any of his examples, and only answered the Gargoyle question, so I couldn't just follow-up to yours with "correct". [ quoted text not captured ]