John Flournoy wrote:
> "Reyda" <true_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3fae548d$0$19168$79c1...@nan-newsreader-03.noos.net>...
>>Vamp A(cting) is in combat with vamp B(locking)
>>
>>A maneveurs to long with, say, ir goggles. He declares no strike at this
>>time.
>>B uses his improvised flamethrower to inflict 2R aggravated to A.
>>A plays darkling trickery superior.
>>B wants to use rotschreck.
>>
>>Is this legal ?
>
> Shouldn't be, because vamp B no longer meets the requirements for
> Rotschreck (in the same way that a minion at long range can't
> Rotschreck with a strike with a Sengir Dagger - since the strike is
> inflicting 0 damage, there's nothing to be afraid of.)
>
> And the acting minion (in this case A) gets to respond to the
> declaration of B's strike with any immediate effects before B does, so
> he can use DT before B gets to play Rotschreck.
>
> (Note that if A passes, then B plays Rotschreck, it's too late to go
> 'in response to that Rotschreck I play DT)
Correct. Note that, as Lasombra notes, A declares "hand strike" (which
have no effect at long range) rather than "no strike".
>>is it possible to play, say, 5 darkling trickery against a minion
>>attempting to use a weapon that does ranged damage to inflict 5 damage
>>during strike resolution ?
>
> I'll leave that to LSJ, but I don't see why not.
It is possible, yes.
>>Is the Improvised flamethrower's "backlash" inflicted since nothing on
>>Darkling trickery states that it's the vampire (A) who inflicts the damage ?
>
> Damage from DT superior would be environmental damage, same as any
> other non-strike combat card (like Crows, or a Zombie, or Drawing out
> the Beast at Sup). So it wouldn't trigger the Improvised Flamethrower
> immolation.
The damage from DT won't trigger the Improvised FT to explode, no.
If some damage is done that causes the Improvised FT to explode, the DT will
not reduce that self-inflicted damage, though.
>>Where is exactly the window where you declare you're using darkling trickery
>>?
>
> Immediately in response to the strike declaration. Since it is 'only
> usable when the opposing minion attempts to strike', it needs to be
> done during the strike declaration step.
Correct. Note that it can be played after both strikes have been declared
(you needn't play it immediately after the acting minion's strike - you can
wait until after you declare your strike if you want).
>>if B was the acting minion instead, can he use primal instinct to change his
>>strike to something else, like Earthmeld or Majesty before Darkling trickery
>>takes effect ?
>
> He could change his strike, but should still take the 1 damage from DT
> - this isn't Magic, there's no 'first in last out' ordering of
... unless combat ends before strike resolution.
> effects. Since DT was legal to play when it was played, cancelling the
> strike does not make DT retroactively illegal - whatever your new
> strike is will still do damage, but DT will do its 1 to you. (Note
> that if you're equipped with a .44 and a Deer Rifle and IR goggles,
> you shoot with the .44 and your foe DT's, you can Primal Instinct and
> shoot with the Deer Rifle and do damage because it is not 'that
> weapon' that your opponent DT'ed. Of course, he can always play a
> second DT on the deer rifle.)
Correct.
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