[Deck ] Enkidu Trophy

Deck Name : Enkidu Trophy Author : Norman S. Brown Jr Description : My first attempt to turn Enkidu into a Trophy bearer. Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 5 max: 11 average: 8 ------------------------------------------------------------ 5x Enkidu, The Noah 11 ANI CEL OBF POT PRO for !Gangrel:4 2x Mustafa, The Heir 6 FOR PRE cel dom prince Ventrue:4 2x Pug Jackson 6 CEL POT for pre primogen Brujah:3 2x Shawnda Dorrit 6 CEL obt pot pre priscus !Brujah:4 1x Dr. Julius Sutphen 5 POT dom obt bishop Lasombra:3 Library [90 cards] ------------------------------------------------------------ Action [8] 8x Red List Action Modifier [6] 3x Forced March 3x Freak Drive Combat [45] 5x Blur 6x Bone Spur 9x Carrion Crows 6x Form of Mist 5x Pulled Fangs 6x Skin of Steel 8x Taste of Vitae Master [19] 4x Blood Doll 2x Dreams of the Sphinx 2x Dummy Corporation 1x Fortitude 1x Information Highway 1x Rack, The 2x Trophy: Domain 2x Trophy: Hunting Ground 1x Trophy: Retainers 3x Zillah's Valley Political Action [2] 2x Rumors of Gehenna Reaction [3] 3x Wake with Evening's Freshness Retainer [7] 1x J. S. Simmons, Esq. 1x Jackie Therman 3x Raven Spy 1x Robert Carter 1x Tasha Morgan Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Fri Jun 03 09:49:39 2005]

> 2x Trophy: Domain > 2x Trophy: Hunting Ground > 1x Trophy: Retainers How about a Trophy: Diablerie, or a few copies of Rebirth? Otherwise, even with those titled vamps, Enkidu will burn! -John

"johnmeier1" <johnm...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1117815833.6...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... [ quoted text not captured ] 6x Bone Spur Enkidu Hits you hands for 3, Blur, Hands for 3, Hands for 3, Bone Spur. If you have 7 or less blood on you, then you burn. -- Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

XZealot wrote: > Enkidu Hits you hands for 3, Blur, Hands for 3, Hands for 3, Bone Spur. If > you have 7 or less blood on you, then you burn. Not if you have 2 or 5 blood. The punch for 3 (the second one, in the case of 5) will send you to torpor, aggravated or not. No subsequent additional strikes will be made (since combat will end). No burn.

Google's a bit quirkier than normal today, sorry.

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:1117826676.1...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Google's a bit quirkier than normal today, sorry. Okay, you spammer. ;P there are also Carrion Crows included in the deck for that extra bit of damage to push you over the top. You are right, in that you are still safe if you have 2 blood. Of course being in torpor is never really "safe". [ quoted text not captured ]

"XZealot" <x_ze...@NoSpamcox-internet.com> wrote in message news:d7qekk$tma$1...@domitilla.aioe.org... > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > news:1117826676.1...@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Google's a bit quirkier than normal today, sorry. > > Okay, you spammer. ;P > > there are also Carrion Crows included in the deck for that extra bit of > damage to push you over the top. > > You are right, in that you are still safe if you have 2 blood. Of course > being in torpor is never really "safe". I don't know about that last part pal. You still get burned if you have 2 blood and Enkidu plays Carrion Crows and Claws of the Dead. What an idiot. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] I see two problems: 1) Making sure you have valid targets (low cap titled vamps). 2) Getting the Red List action through. Sten During

Instead of the agg to burn, why not this combat module Hit for 3, disarm, decapitate or Hit for 3, disarm, amaranth The last one can be bolstered by Fueled by Heart's Blood which you can fetch with Forschitt Library. Grapples, blur and pang to taste, but mainly just the disarm/amaranth or decapitate would work wonders. Amaranth especially since Enkidu would be constantly topping up any blood. Hell, even Talons of the dead/amaranth. --> J

"Sten During" <ya...@netg.se> wrote in message news:42ae111c$0$18642$1472...@news.sunsite.dk... [ quoted text not captured ] What I need for targets are low cap untitled vamps. They are usually in plentiful supply. > 2) Getting the Red List action through. Very True, although most players don't block them. I have had success with Trumped up charges as most players are in favor of a permanent Haven Uncovered after I am ousted. :) [ quoted text not captured ]

"J" <gra...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1118717478....@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Instead of the agg to burn, why not this combat module > > Hit for 3, disarm, decapitate > or > Hit for 3, disarm, amaranth Disarm makes you wait until the end of the round to knock them into torpor. That gives them time to addtional strike against you or agg you as well. > The last one can be bolstered by Fueled by Heart's Blood which you can > fetch with Forschitt Library. I haven't been able to pull this one off. I have tried. 11cap= no spare master slots, since you are desprately trying to shore up your position while you influence out Enkindu [ quoted text not captured ]

XZealot wrote: > "Sten During" <ya...@netg.se> wrote in message >> >>I see two problems: >> >>1) Making sure you have valid targets (low cap titled vamps). > > > What I need for targets are low cap untitled vamps. They are usually in > plentiful supply. Sorry, I was unclear. I meant you have low cap titled vamps. After red listing one weenie your opponents might just decide to skip influencing out more cannon fodder. > > >>2) Getting the Red List action through. > > > Very True, although most players don't block them. I have had success with > Trumped up charges as most players are in favor of a permanent Haven > Uncovered after I am ousted. :) Ah, but this is slightly different. Trumped up charges runs at +1 stealth, and the referendum is more likely to be a matter of making deals, whereas Red List is blunt, to the point and at zero stealth. I tried a Red List deck last tournament -- to little avail. Players not already on the verge of getting ousted blocked each and every attempt, and that meant blocking gun equipped vampires which as often as not meant a torporized blocker. Of course, having Trophies on the table may have made it a bit too obvious what would happen should I ever make the diablerie :) Sten During

"Sten During" <ya...@netg.se> wrote in message news:42af2aa6$0$18642$1472...@news.sunsite.dk... > XZealot wrote: >> "Sten During" <ya...@netg.se> wrote in message > >>> >>>I see two problems: >>> >>>1) Making sure you have valid targets (low cap titled vamps). >> >> >> What I need for targets are low cap untitled vamps. They are usually in >> plentiful supply. > > Sorry, I was unclear. I meant you have low cap titled vamps. After red > listing one weenie your opponents might just decide to skip influencing > out more cannon fodder. Usually, one is all you need to guarantee that you kill your first prey. I have seriously been considering adding Gambit Accepted to this deck because of that. >> >> >>>2) Getting the Red List action through. >> >> >> Very True, although most players don't block them. I have had success >> with Trumped up charges as most players are in favor of a permanent Haven >> Uncovered after I am ousted. :) > > Ah, but this is slightly different. Trumped up charges runs at +1 > stealth, and the referendum is more likely to be a matter of making > deals, whereas Red List is blunt, to the point and at zero stealth. > > I tried a Red List deck last tournament -- to little avail. Players > not already on the verge of getting ousted blocked each and every > attempt, and that meant blocking gun equipped vampires which as often > as not meant a torporized blocker. > Of course, having Trophies on the table may have made it a bit too > obvious what would happen should I ever make the diablerie :) Don't get discouraged. I ran a Trumped Up Charges Deck with G1-2 Nossie Royalty and Basilia as the beat stick. I managed 1 G.W. in two different qualifiers with it. Don't forget to add stuff that ousts your prey, Parity Shifts, Banishments, etc, etc. [ quoted text not captured ]

XZealot wrote: > Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 5 max: 11 average: 8 > Actually, your non-Enkidu vamps have the following stats in your deck: ------------------------------------------------------------ > 2x Mustafa, The Heir 6 FOR cel prince Ventrue:4 > 2x Pug Jackson 6 CEL for primogen Brujah:3 > 2x Shawnda Dorrit 6 CEL priscus !Brujah:4 > 1x Dr. Julius Sutphen 5 ---- bishop Lasombra:3 They aren't going to do much, are they? > > Library [90 cards] > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Action [8] > 8x Red List > > Action Modifier [6] > 3x Forced March > 3x Freak Drive > > Combat [45] > 5x Blur > 6x Bone Spur > 9x Carrion Crows > 6x Form of Mist > 5x Pulled Fangs > 6x Skin of Steel > 8x Taste of Vitae Why do you use Bone Spurs? Aren't Claws of the Dead better in most cases? > Master [19] > 4x Blood Doll > 2x Dreams of the Sphinx > 2x Dummy Corporation > 1x Fortitude > 1x Information Highway > 1x Rack, The > 2x Trophy: Domain > 2x Trophy: Hunting Ground > 1x Trophy: Retainers > 3x Zillah's Valley Not sure about the second copies of Trophies. Do you plan to hand extra copies to the other players? > Retainer [7] > 1x J. S. Simmons, Esq. > 1x Jackie Therman > 3x Raven Spy > 1x Robert Carter > 1x Tasha Morgan > I like the retainers, but I'd added one Owl Companion. Things become much simpler when you know what it's going on. I have an idea that might be interesting to you. What about using some !Malks to provide votes, bounce bleeds and play Sibyl's Tongues? You'll be able to fetch Fueled by Heart's Blood and, possibly, even Regent. In such deck, you could really play Amaranth in the large numbers! Sample crypt: 5 Enkidu 2 Shawnda Dorritt 6 priscus CEL (pot) 2 Marie Faucigny 7 archbishop AUS OBF 2 General Perfidio Dios 5 bishop AUS obf 1 Roger Farnsworth 4 ---- OBF Actually, I'm going to build this deck for my next newsletter. What do you think about the idea? Is it good, strange, or just insane? Yours, Ector

On 17 Jun 2005 10:27:25 -0700, "Ector" <Ec...@mail.ru> wrote: >> Combat [45] >> 5x Blur >> 6x Bone Spur > >Why do you use Bone Spurs? Aren't Claws of the Dead better in most >cases? I would assume for the Blur listed above it. Bone Spur + Blur = 3 strikes of 3 Agg to prevent or dodge or go to torpor. Essentially, Skin of Steel/Rolling, or go to torpor regardless of DP. Morgan Vening

[ quoted text not captured ] OK, Bone Spur may be better against these cards, but only if your opponent has them AND you have Blur or press. IMHO, an optional maneuver from Claws of the Dead can generally help you much better. Even without Blur hitting for 3 + Taste of Vitae is much better than being pulverized from a Magnum at long range. Yours, Ector

On 18 Jun 2005 02:02:10 -0700, "Ector" <Ec...@mail.ru> scrawled: >> >Why do you use Bone Spurs? Aren't Claws of the Dead better in most >> >cases? >> >> I would assume for the Blur listed above it. Bone Spur + Blur = 3 >> strikes of 3 Agg to prevent or dodge or go to torpor. Essentially, >> Skin of Steel/Rolling, or go to torpor regardless of DP. >> >> Morgan Vening > >OK, Bone Spur may be better against these cards, but only if your >opponent has them AND you have Blur or press. IMHO, an optional >maneuver from Claws of the Dead can generally help you much better. >Even without Blur hitting for 3 + Taste of Vitae is much better than >being pulverized from a Magnum at long range. also, claws last the whole round. which is to say blurs work with them. it's for pressing when you want to have bone spur. salem http://www.users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/VtES/index.htm (replace "hotmail" with "yahoo" to email)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 salem wrote: | On 18 Jun 2005 02:02:10 -0700, "Ector" <Ec...@mail.ru> scrawled: | |>>>Why do you use Bone Spurs? Aren't Claws of the Dead better in most |>>>cases? |>> |>>I would assume for the Blur listed above it. Bone Spur + Blur = 3 |>>strikes of 3 Agg to prevent or dodge or go to torpor. Essentially, |>>Skin of Steel/Rolling, or go to torpor regardless of DP. |>> |>OK, Bone Spur may be better against these cards, but only if your |>opponent has them AND you have Blur or press. IMHO, an optional |>maneuver from Claws of the Dead can generally help you much better. |>Even without Blur hitting for 3 + Taste of Vitae is much better than |>being pulverized from a Magnum at long range. | | also, claws last the whole round. which is to say blurs work with | them. | | it's for pressing when you want to have bone spur. What the hell are you guys talking about? Bone Spur: Combat, 1 blood, Protean [pro] For the remainder of this round, this vampire's hand damage is aggravated. [PRO] As above, but for the remainder of this combat. Blur works fine with Bone Spur, and it lasts the whole round, as does Claws. (at least SOME people read the card text.) Claws were never _bad_, but they're largely a thing of the past. Presses are a better way to handle an opponent who just wants to run away or dodge; an opponent who wants to run away and shoot at you allows you to conveniently cycle prevention, and you STILL get to poke his eye out on the 2nd round. Trap + superior Bone Spur = S:CE, kill me first, or die. Add Flesh of Marble into this mix, and option "B" becomes noticeably less feasible. Many vampires with Protean also have this "Fortitude" thing, further helping decrease the probability of situation "B". - -- Derek insert clever quotation here -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCvAVQtQZlu3o7QpERAhzXAJkBLCvrAkn3oYZyYmnlNb2mAqKdBwCeNzU/ rX5Uoiw25PIaZ9pmNE8gGd0= =WUT4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

"Derek Ray" <lor...@yahoo.com> wrote > Trap + superior Bone Spur = S:CE, kill me first, or die. Add Flesh of > Marble into this mix, and option "B" becomes noticeably less feasible. > Many vampires with Protean also have this "Fortitude" thing, further > helping decrease the probability of situation "B". Can you press a torpored vamp?

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [ quoted text not captured ] No. Does it matter? He's where you wanted him to go in the first place... - -- Derek insert clever quotation here -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (MingW32) iD8DBQFCvHbztQZlu3o7QpERAoKpAJ9dMdZG2D9yMGYU2aU3MGcRCNkdkgCgnfvL EPZQNFSyDIK6817TbkGBSgc= =ed9W -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 09:06:25 -0400, Derek Ray <lor...@yahoo.com> scrawled: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >salem wrote: >| On 18 Jun 2005 02:02:10 -0700, "Ector" <Ec...@mail.ru> scrawled: >| >|>>>Why do you use Bone Spurs? Aren't Claws of the Dead better in most >|>>>cases? >|>> >|>>I would assume for the Blur listed above it. Bone Spur + Blur = 3 >|>>strikes of 3 Agg to prevent or dodge or go to torpor. Essentially, >|>>Skin of Steel/Rolling, or go to torpor regardless of DP. >|>> >|>OK, Bone Spur may be better against these cards, but only if your >|>opponent has them AND you have Blur or press. IMHO, an optional >|>maneuver from Claws of the Dead can generally help you much better. >|>Even without Blur hitting for 3 + Taste of Vitae is much better than >|>being pulverized from a Magnum at long range. >| >| also, claws last the whole round. which is to say blurs work with >| them. >| >| it's for pressing when you want to have bone spur. > >What the hell are you guys talking about? > > Bone Spur: Combat, 1 blood, Protean > [pro] For the remainder of this round, this vampire's hand damage is >aggravated. > [PRO] As above, but for the remainder of this combat. > >Blur works fine with Bone Spur, and it lasts the whole round, as does Claws. >(at least SOME people read the card text.) that's the point i was trying to make. it seemed they were saying you want bone spur instead of claws so that you'll have agg on your additional strikes. i was trying to point out that claws would also give you agg on your additional strikes, and that the only difference in duration of how long your agg lasts between claws and bone spur is when you press. ie: after a press bone spur still gives you agg (at superior), but claws will have 'expired'. perhaps i needed a few more sentences in there to get my intention across. [ quoted text not captured ]