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o.k., here's the deal: a minion enters play...after a few turns, in combat, he deals 19 damage-even though he did not play a single combat card. what happened?

"arden mcbathan" <sonnenk...@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news: aae0be1a.02121...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Equiped with a Crimson Sentinel ?

[ quoted text not captured ] + A Depravity ; he is Pasceck and gets +2 additional hand damage with a melee weapon ; what else ? Orpheus

[ quoted text not captured ] Jaroslav Pascek has Depravity played upon him. He equips the Eye of Hazimel. He Freak Drives. Lucian calls Archon naming Jaroslav. Jaroslav Archon Rushes Alexandra. He conceals out the Crimson Sentinel. He strikes Majesty and Pysche!. He strikes Crimson Sentinel for 5, Soul Counter. He plays Blur. He strikes for 6 and 7. Soul Counter Soul Counter. He archon rushes Arika, same thing except Pursuit instead of blur. 8, 9 Soul Counter Soul Counter. He archon rushes Augustus, same thing 10, 11, Soul Counter Soul Counter. He archon rushes all of the remaining 11 caps, only getting one soul counter per rush. Then he archon rushes Lolita, plays no cards and he strikes for 19, Lolita plays Blood of Acid. Or Sargon plays Concordance 17 times. The Bum's Rushes Lolita. Colin Riggs

[ quoted text not captured ] > what happened? Other than "infinite" or "indeterminate" effects (like Crimson Sentinel, and like Ecstatic Agony), this is how I come up with dealing 20 points of damage in a single non-combat-card strike: The acting minion is Jack, the Blood Brother. He has +1 strength. His controller also controls a Ventrue, and has played an Island of Yiaros. Jack is made Regent (4 votes => +4 strength) Jack has been given PRO (and maybe SER). There is a superior Mark of Damnation on Basil (for a total of +3 strength in combat vs poor Basil). Jack has Clan Impersonated to !Toreador, been given the Art of Pain (+2), and then burned the Clan Impersonation. Depravity is played on Jack (+1). Jack equips with Bang Nakh (+2). Jack enters combat with Basil using Coagulated Entity, taking from each of the other Blood Brothers (+4). He plays Uncontrollable Rage at superior, for +2 (aggravated) hand damage during this action. 1+1+4+3+2+1+2+4+2 = a strike for 20 (2 of it being agg), with the Bang Nakh. And oh, does Basil burn. Is that what you were going for? (it's 19 when Basil isn't involved, of course)

> Other than "infinite" or "indeterminate" effects (like Crimson > Sentinel, and like Ecstatic Agony), this is how I come up with dealing > 20 points of damage in a single non-combat-card strike: > The acting minion is Jack, the Blood Brother. He has +1 strength. > His controller also controls a Ventrue, and has played an Island of > Yiaros. Jack is made Regent (4 votes => +4 strength) > Jack has been given PRO (and maybe SER). > There is a superior Mark of Damnation on Basil (for a total of +3 > strength in combat vs poor Basil). > Jack has Clan Impersonated to !Toreador, been given the Art of Pain (+2), > and then burned the Clan Impersonation. > Depravity is played on Jack (+1). > Jack equips with Bang Nakh (+2). > Jack enters combat with Basil using Coagulated Entity, taking from each > of the other Blood Brothers (+4). He plays Uncontrollable Rage at superior, > for +2 (aggravated) hand damage during this action. > 1+1+4+3+2+1+2+4+2 = a strike for 20 (2 of it being agg), with the Bang Nakh. > And oh, does Basil burn. > Is that what you were going for? > (it's 19 when Basil isn't involved, of course) Eek! I forgot about the Eye.. that makes one more +1, for 21 (20) damage.

Sorry, one more change, making it a strike for 22 (yeah, I get carried away by these "challenges" :) ) The acting minion is Jack, the Blood Brother. He has +1 strength. His controller also controls the rest of the Torrance Circle, a !Salubri, and a Ventrue, and has played an Island of Yiaros. Jack is made Regent (4 votes => +4 strength) Jack has been given PRO (and maybe SER). There is a superior Mark of Damnation on Basil (for a total of +3 strength in combat vs poor Basil). Jack has Clan Impersonated to !Toreador, been given the Art of Pain (+2), and then burned the Clan Impersonation. Depravity is played on Jack (+1). Jack equips with Bang Nakh (+2), and the Eye of Hazimel (+1). The !Salubri plays Blessing of the Name, and chooses Jack. (+1) Jack enters combat with Basil using Coagulated Entity, taking from each of the other Blood Brothers (+4). He plays Uncontrollable Rage at superior, for +2 (aggravated) hand damage during this action. 1+1+4+3+2+1+2+4+2+1+1 = a strike for 22 (2 of it being agg), with the Bang Nakh. And oh, does Basil burn. Done now :)

don't know if this pops up as the same thread...i forgot two important cards... if not, here's the deal again: after a few turns of playing, combat ensues, minion(no skill cards played on the vampire) does !32! damage without having played a combat card...what happened?

[ quoted text not captured ] Well, since you changed the terms ("no skill cards"), what other restrictions are there? Can cards be played by other minions, or are all 32 damage coming from effects generated by this vampire (ie. does Blessing of the Name count)? How much "setup" is allowed? Is the Crimson Sentinel, or other stackable effects, a legal piece of the puzzle? Can you make declarations about which minion is attacking, and which minion is being attacked (for conditional strength-increasing effects)? Most importantly, how many turns is "a few"? If you have a particular answer in mind, say how many turns (or at least a maximum). Spider Killer gets out on turn 2 (from Info Highway), equips Bang Nakh, freak drives, plays Mass Reality, plays 15 more Mass Realities on subsequent turns, and on Turn 17 he Freak Drives and Bums Rushes, and strikes for 33. Is that legal? Sorry.. I really like these puzzles. But it seems like you have something so specific in mind, you need to give more info. :)

o.k., another clarification: no crimson sentinel is involved and the damage is done with one strike.

> Jaroslav Pascek has Depravity played upon him. He equips the Eye of Hazimel. > He Freak Drives. Lucian calls Archon naming Jaroslav. Jaroslav Archon Rushes > Alexandra. He conceals out the Crimson Sentinel. He strikes Majesty and > Pysche!. He strikes Crimson Sentinel for 5, Soul Counter. He plays Blur. He > strikes for 6 and 7. Soul Counter Soul Counter. Hum, stop right here please. Crimson text : "Unique melee weapon. Strength+1 damage as a strike. If this weapon successfully inflicts damage on an opponent in combat, add a soul counter to it at the end of that round. This weapon does one additional point of damage each strike for each soul counter on this card. Remove all soul counters from this card if another minion gains control of it." "At the end of the round", so it's Psyche = New combat he needs to play, additionals don't add up !! And what's the deal about having to rush big vampires, was it just for fun ? Because you gain counters no matter what minion you strike... Orpheus

>> don't know if this pops up as the same thread...i forgot two important >> cards... >> if not, here's the deal again: >> after a few turns of playing, combat ensues, minion(no skill cards >> played on the vampire) does !32! damage without having played a combat >> card...what happened? > > >Well, since you changed the terms ("no skill cards"), what other >restrictions are there? Can cards be played by other minions, or are >all 32 damage coming from effects generated by this vampire (ie. does >Blessing of the Name count)? >How much "setup" is allowed? >Is the Crimson Sentinel, or other stackable effects, a legal piece of >the puzzle? >Can you make declarations about which minion is attacking, and which >minion is being attacked (for conditional strength-increasing effects)? You see, what really happened is some hapless vampire got 16 Mark of Damnations played on him (15 at superior, 1 at inferior), and Smudge (1 strength) whacked the guy really hard. Now he just has to try to figure out what to do with 16 presses. Halcyan 2

arden mcbathan wrote: > > o.k., another clarification: no crimson sentinel is involved and the > damage is done with one strike. Repeat 11 times: Ramiro plays political Struggle on <random Cardinal> <random Cardinal> goes to torpor <random other vampire> rescues <random Cardinal>. End repeat. Then Ramiro gets into combat. Tap the Island of Yiaros. Ramiro punches for 34. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

> Then Ramiro gets into combat. > Tap the Island of Yiaros. > Ramiro punches for 34. Wow !! Never realised Ramiro was that fearsome !!! ;-) You could at elast have chosen Talley for the example, now at least we would understand why he was chosen to (try to) protect Monçada from his wayward child !! Orpheus

[ quoted text not captured ] Cursed Card text! But yeah that works just as well. Well, when I thought you could gain multiple counters in a round you needed the 11 caps for the first three rushes because you put smaller cap vamps in torpor on the first strike. Actually you still do if you want to minimize rush actions. Colin Riggs

"Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> escribió en el mensaje news:HDrJ9.11751$hw3.2187@sccrnsc04... > Sorry, one more change, making it a strike for 22 > (yeah, I get carried away by these "challenges" :) ) > > The acting minion is Jack, the Blood Brother. He has +1 strength. > His controller also controls the rest of the Torrance Circle, a !Salubri, > and a Ventrue, and has played an Island of Yiaros. Jack is made Regent > (4 votes => +4 strength) > > Jack has been given PRO (and maybe SER). > There is a superior Mark of Damnation on Basil (for a total of +3 > strength in combat vs poor Basil). > Jack has Clan Impersonated to !Toreador, been given the Art of Pain (+2), > and then burned the Clan Impersonation. Then arto fo pain fizzles it's effect. Art of pain's text restricts +2 strentgh to while it remains !toreador [ quoted text not captured ]

Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message news:<4rrJ9.104891$pN3.7618@sccrnsc03>... > arden mcbathan <sonnenk...@aol.com> wrote: > > o.k., here's the deal: > > a minion enters play...after a few turns, in combat, he deals 19 > > damage-even though he did not play a single combat card. > > what happened? > The acting minion is Jack, the Blood Brother. He has +1 strength. > Jack has been given PRO (and maybe SER). > Jack equips with Bang Nakh (+2). > Jack enters combat with Basil using Coagulated Entity, taking from each > of the other Blood Brothers (+4). He plays Uncontrollable Rage at superior, > for +2 (aggravated) hand damage during this action. The aggravated damage portion only effects strikes made with his hands. If Jack strikes with the Bang Nakh, none of the damage will be aggravated. Uncontrollable Rage modifies the damage that the vampire inflicts with a hand strike. It doesn't modify the vampire's base strength. So, if the vampire strikes with Scorpion Sting, he inflicts 1 (base) + 2 agg (Rage) + 1 (Scorpion) damage, for a total of 2 + 2 agg damage. If the vampire strikes with a Bastard Sword, he inflicts only 1 (base) +1 (Sword) damage, for a total of 2 damage (the Rage doesn't modify the damage, since it is not a hand strike). [LSJ 19980102] Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com

sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.02121...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] I think you really should add something like: no combat before this one ensued, and the minion in question does this 32 damage in one round. Also the opposing minion doesnt play any cards. or something like this i gotta go to work now, but ill try to make a guess w/o these conditions after work :) -Bram Vink

Halcyan 2 wrote: :::: don't know if this pops up as the same thread...i forgot two :::: important cards... :::: if not, here's the deal again: :::: after a few turns of playing, combat ensues, minion(no skill :::: cards played on the vampire) does !32! damage without having :::: played a combat card...what happened? :: You see, what really happened is some hapless vampire got 16 Mark :: of Damnations played on him (15 at superior, 1 at inferior), and :: Smudge (1 strength) whacked the guy really hard. Now he just has :: to try to figure out what to do with 16 presses. this is the best explanation of the day =)

arden mcbathan wrote: :: o.k., another clarification: no crimson sentinel is involved and :: the damage is done with one strike. Is an Extatic Agony and Fire in the Blood interaction involved ?

"Colin Riggs" <colin...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:at5n8o$10m6s5$1...@ID-146737.news.dfncis.de... > Orpheus wrote: > >> Jaroslav Pascek has Depravity played upon him. He equips the Eye of > >> Hazimel. He Freak Drives. Lucian calls Archon naming Jaroslav. > >> Jaroslav Archon Rushes Alexandra. He conceals out the Crimson > >> Sentinel. He strikes Majesty and Pysche!. He strikes Crimson > >> Sentinel for 5, Soul Counter. He plays Blur. He strikes for 6 and 7. > >> Soul Counter Soul Counter. > > > > Hum, stop right here please. Crimson text : > > > > "Unique melee weapon. Strength+1 damage as a strike. If this weapon > > successfully inflicts damage on an opponent in combat, add a soul > > counter to it at the end of that round. This weapon does one > > additional point of damage each strike for each soul counter on this > > card. Remove all soul counters from this card if another minion gains > > control of it." > > > > "At the end of the round", so it's Psyche = New combat he needs to > > play, additionals don't add up !! And what's the deal about having to > > rush big vampires, was it just for fun ? Because you gain counters no > > matter what minion you strike... > Lazverinius has a Depravity, a Crimsom Sentinel, a Flak Jacket and an Ecstatic Agony He is also clan impersonated to a !Toreador and has an Art of Pain played on him. Base hitting for 7. Enters combat with Gwendolyn. Gwendolyn hits for one and prevents all but some of the damage, Lazverinius prevents the damage with the flak jacket. Second round Lazverinius hits for 8 (CS soul counter). Gwendolyn plays a Torn Signpost, 2 Fists of Death and a Pushing the Limit smashing Lazverinius for 10 points of damage. She prevents all but one or two of the damage dealt by Lazverinius increasing his base damage to 9 (two soul counters). In the third round Lazverinius hits for 19 damage. 3 from his original base damage, +1 for the depravity, +2 for the art of pain, +1 for the Crimsom Sentinel, +2 for the soul counters on the CS, +10 for the Ecstatic Agony. Thalles

sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.02121...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] I think this quiz is a bit too open-ended to have one correct answer. For example, it doesn't rule out help from other players (Frenzy), intervention from other vamps you control (Save Face), or cards played by the opposing vampire (trap, undead persistence). My suggestions: ** Ambrosius gets a Meat Hook. Rush. Opposing Vampire plays Undead Persistence. Fight for 32 rounds. ** Ex Nihilo vamp (with meat hook), rushes Ambrosius and plays superior Weather Control. Combat continues for an infinite number of rounds. The game times out, with both combatants taking (and ignoring) infinite damage each round. ** Every player in the game has a stupid number of Freak Drives and Wolf Companions in their deck. On turn 5, Angus the Windswept plays Shepherds Innocence, gaining control of 30 wolves. Rush. Fight for 1 round. ** Crimson Sentinel, rush, Taste of Vitae and Freak drive. A lot. ** Richter rushes a famous Raven, Burning Wrath + pulled fangs, freak drive, rescue. Lazverinus rushes again. Raven plays Trap, inf. Drawing out the Beast, and then Undead Persistence a couple of times. Laz plays nothing. Fight for 8 rounds. Raven cops 32 damage and is back in torpor, but, to her benefit, Laz is now too low for Freak Drive + rescue).

"Tom,Mad&Co" <t...@almadrava.net> wrote in message news:<at5nr6$g4l$1...@nsnmrro2-gest.nuria.telefonica-data.net>... > "Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> escribió en el mensaje > news:HDrJ9.11751$hw3.2187@sccrnsc04... [snip] > > Jack has been given PRO (and maybe SER). > > There is a superior Mark of Damnation on Basil (for a total of +3 > > strength in combat vs poor Basil). > > Jack has Clan Impersonated to !Toreador, been given the Art of Pain (+2), > > and then burned the Clan Impersonation. > Then arto fo pain fizzles it's effect. Art of pain's text restricts +2 > strentgh to while it remains !toreador Isn't the correct card text: Put this card on a ready Toreador antitribu. The vampire with this card gets +2 strength during combat? Where does that make tAoP fizzle if the minion is no longer a !Toreador? /Henrik

hm. looks like i didn't account for a lot of cards, and thought some cards were not stackable(mark of damnation, f.i.) or forgot about (political struggle). looks like i learned from posting this ;) that goes for: no previous combats. the vamp is independent. you control only one of each given card, no skill cards, no cards played by the opposing minion's controller(the only one beside you) that ACTIVELY increase the damage . 36 damage is done in one strike, no combat cards played. ardenmcbathan getting there.... p.s. most of the used cards were named already, the biggest chunk is missing though. and some of the cards named can NOT be stacked, and are affect vampires of ANY clan(ritual challenge/art of pain/concordance)

arden mcbathan wrote: > > hm. looks like i didn't account for a lot of cards, and thought some > cards were not stackable(mark of damnation, f.i.) or forgot about > (political struggle). > looks like i learned from posting this ;) > that goes for: > > no previous combats. the vamp is independent. you control only one of > each given card, no skill cards, no cards played by the opposing > minion's controller(the only one beside you) that ACTIVELY increase > the damage . 36 damage is done in one strike, no combat cards played. > > ardenmcbathan > > getting there.... That still allows the Political Struggle angle (just now you have to end with a Clan Impersonation: <some Indy clan> before getting into combat) and have to torpor/burn the target vote-holder some other way (Protect Thine Own, Nosferatu Performance Art, etc.) > p.s. most of the used cards were named already, the biggest chunk is > missing though. and some of the cards named can NOT be stacked, and > are affect vampires of ANY clan(ritual challenge/art of > pain/concordance) [ quoted text not captured ]

sonnenk...@aol.com (arden mcbathan) wrote in message news:<aae0be1a.02121...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] OK... The rules as far as I know them: 1. 19 damage in one strike 2. No Crimson Sentinel 3. No combat cards played by this minion. 4. 'a few turns' of setup Start with Parthenon, Rumors of Gehenna, Island of Yiarosa, an 11-cap Baali and some vampire in torpor. 1. Call the Great Beast, with FOR, SER, other discipline of your choice 2. Clan impersonate the Great Beast to Toreador Antitribu 3. Freak Drive, equip Bang Nakh, FD, equip Eye of Hazimel 4. Next turn. Master Phase: Art of Pain, Regent, Depravity 6. Play Mark of Damnation on opponent's vamp, Basil. 7. On opponent's turn Basil attempts diablerie. Wake and block with the Great Beast using The Deadliest Sin. So we have: 8 base strength(4 base + 1 eye + 1 depravity + 2 Art of Pain) 2 Bang Nakh 4 tapped Island of Yiaros 2 Mark of Damnation 2 Deadliest Sin +1 Basil special ------------------------------- 19 damage there ya go -Mongrel

<snip various explanation> What I am curious about is how likely any of these examples are in actual everyday game play?

>hm. looks like i didn't account for a lot of cards, and thought some >cards were not stackable(mark of damnation, f.i.) or forgot about >(political struggle). >looks like i learned from posting this ;) >that goes for: > >no previous combats. the vamp is independent. you control only one of >each given card, no skill cards, no cards played by the opposing >minion's controller(the only one beside you) that ACTIVELY increase >the damage . 36 damage is done in one strike, no combat cards played. This is beginning to feel a lot like some of my college classes when the professor is "fishing" for a particular answer. He asks a question and a dozen people answer with valid answers that are synonyms of his "special word" but none is exactly that "special word." I've always hated classes like that when all the questions are so leading. People can think for themselves, you know? Similarly, perhaps Mr. McBathan would like to spend a little more time thinking about his question before posting it, along with who knows how many addendums and other modifications. It seems quite likely that Mr. McBathan thought of a way to do a lot of damage in combat, poses a question to see if anyone can get the *exact* solution he came up with, and wants some sort of acknowledgment about how clever he is. Let's take a look at his "new criteria": >he vamp is independent. LSJ already covered this one about CI'ing at the very end. >you control only one of >each given card Many minion cards won't actually be controlled by you. You can still play 10 Political Struggles or 15 Mark of Damnations because as long as they are on a vampire you don't control, they are controlled by the controller of the respective vampire. In addition, you can still have 31 Concordances on your vampire, as long as you control only one (give control of the others to other players via Succubus Club). >no skill cards This still allows Sanguine Instruction, Infernal Pact, Infernal Familiar, Vial of Elder Vitae, Camarilla Vitae Slave and Ian Forestal as ways to get access to other disciplines. Care to try again? Halcyan 2

>This is beginning to feel a lot like some of my college classes when the >professor is "fishing" for a particular answer. He asks a question and a >dozen >people answer with valid answers that are synonyms of his "special word" but >none is exactly that "special word." I've always hated classes like that when >all the questions are so leading. People can think for themselves, you know? > >Similarly, perhaps Mr. McBathan would like to spend a little more time >thinking >about his question before posting it, along with who knows how many addendums >and other modifications. It seems quite likely that Mr. McBathan thought of a >way to do a lot of damage in combat, poses a question to see if anyone can >get >the *exact* solution he came up with, and wants some sort of acknowledgment >about how clever he is. I'm unclear as to why these sorts of "how do you achieve a really stupid effect you'd never see in a real game" threads get so much play. I don't find it clever on anyone's part that someone can rattle off ways to generate an irrelevant scenario. Much more clever would be suggesting good combos or ways to include good combos into various deck archetypes. But, I guess other folks find it interesting given how often these sorts of threads generate numerous responses, and it doesn't do much harm. *Shrug*

Is it legal to tap a 32 point charged Spawning Pool ?

In article <ewrJ9.11697$hw3.2387@sccrnsc04>, Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: > > Other than "infinite" or "indeterminate" effects (like Crimson > > Sentinel, and like Ecstatic Agony), this is how I come up with dealing > > 20 points of damage in a single non-combat-card strike: > > > The acting minion is Jack, the Blood Brother. He has +1 strength. > > His controller also controls a Ventrue, and has played an Island of > > Yiaros. Jack is made Regent (4 votes => +4 strength) Legendary Vampire +2 votes because someone else put a skill card on him :) > > Jack has been given PRO (and maybe SER). > > There is a superior Mark of Damnation on Basil (for a total of +3 > > strength in combat vs poor Basil). > > Jack has Clan Impersonated to !Toreador, been given the Art of Pain > > (+2), > > and then burned the Clan Impersonation. > > Depravity is played on Jack (+1). > > Jack equips with Bang Nakh (+2). Drawing out the beast by basil (animalism skill card ?) > > Jack enters combat with Basil using Coagulated Entity, taking from each > > of the other Blood Brothers (+4). > Eek! I forgot about the Eye.. that makes one more +1, for 21 (20) damage. sitting on 22 (20 +1+1+2-2) -- Computers are useless Michael F. Tomkins They can only give m.tom...@student.canberra.edu.au you answers. University of Canberra, Australia. -- Pablo Picasso http://student.canberra.edu.au/~u964617/