DECK - Mata is the Land

Deck Name : Mata is the Land Creator: J Description: Tool Mata with the goodies, rush with Talbots and have her Owl spy for Anarch Investigations or Flicks, revelate those offending cards to their ash and bleed forward. War Ghoul defense or offensive rush and coz Ghouls are fun. 6x Mata Hari 2x Emerson Wilkershire III 2x Old Neddecka 2x Mariano Pomposo Masters (12 cards) 1x Nosferatu Kingdom 1x Secure Haven 1x Charisma 1x Perfectionist 1x Waste Management Operation 1x Blood Doll 1x Information Highway 1x Gang Territory 1x Art Museum 1x Animalism 1x Sudden Reversal 1x Fortune Teller Shop Actions (7 cards) 2x Revelations 1x Sibyl's Tongue 1x Kindred Intelligence 1x Concert Tour 1x Restoration 1x Clotho's Gift Action Modifiers (35 cards) 2x Notorious Brutality 17x Guruhi Are the Land, The 10x Freak Drive 1x Forgotten Labyrinth 1x Lost in Crowds 1x Faceless Night 1x Spying Mission 1x Cloak the Gathering 1x Domain of Evernight 1x Rebirth Allies (6 cards) 1x Mylan Horseed (Goblin) 3x War Ghoul 1x Ambrosius, The Ferryman 1x Eccentric Billionaire Retainers (7 cards) 1x Robert Carter 2x D'habi Revenant 1x Jackie Therman 1x Resplendent Protector 1x Owl Companion 1x J. S. Simmons, Esq. Equipment (19 cards) 1x Aaron's Feeding Razor 2x Ankara Citadel, Turkey, The 1x Flak Jacket 2x IR Goggles 1x Ivory Bow 1x Leather Jacket 1x Laptop Computer 1x Living Manse 1x Palatial Estate 1x Sacre Cour Cathedral, France 1x Sargon Fragment, The 1x Signet of King Saul, The 1x Sire's Index Finger 1x Soul Gem of Etrius 1x Treasured Samadji 1x Writ of Acceptance 1x Talbot's Chainsaw Combo (3 cards) 1x Swallowed by the Night 2x Mirror Image Comments? I'm thinking of slotting in 1 or 2 Apparitions, but I'm not sure what to take out for them. --> J grail_pbem "at" hotmail.com

[ quoted text not captured ] Mata can play Guruhi are the Land, but I believe she gets no benefit from it, since she isn't a Guruhi. Note each clause says "This Guruhi gets..." The Guruhi Are the Land [LoB:C/PG4] Cardtype: Action Modifier Clan: Guruhi Only usable during a bleed, hunt, or equip action. If this is a bleed action, this Guruhi gets +1 bleed, and you may not play another action modifier to further increase the bleed for this action. If this is a hunt action, this Guruhi gains an additional blood if successful. If this is an equip action, this Guruhi untaps if the action is successful. Artist: William O'Connor best - chris -- Super Fun Cards http://stores.ebay.com/superfuncards/ auct...@superfuncards.com

> Mata can play Guruhi are the Land, but I believe she gets no benefit > from it, since she isn't a Guruhi. Note each clause says "This Guruhi > gets..." > > The Guruhi Are the Land [LoB:C/PG4] > Cardtype: Action Modifier > Clan: Guruhi > Only usable during a bleed, hunt, or equip action. > If this is a bleed action, this Guruhi gets +1 bleed, and you may not > play another action modifier to further increase the bleed for this > action. If this is a hunt action, this Guruhi gains an additional blood > if successful. If this is an equip action, this Guruhi untaps if the > action is successful. I believe that she does, as this is an instantaneous effect. The effect doesn't hang around longer than the playing of the card, so she is treated as a Guruhi for this card whilst it is being played. LSJ, is this correct? --> J

Since she's playing it as though she were a member of that clan, she would be considered a guruhi for the duration of the action, if I'm not mistaken. That said, I am not you know who... Ability: Red List: Mata Hari has 2 votes (titled). You and she may play cards that require a sect and/or clan as if she were of that required sect and/or clan. [ quoted text not captured ] > aucti...@superfuncards.com

[ quoted text not captured ] I believe she can only be one clan at a time... so actions that require a clan that's not a Guruhi she can't do. I don't think. So she can't guruhi of the land when she equips the Ankara Citadel or the living manse Plus didn't anybody notice he has like 4 locquipment in the deck? Once he plays one, the other are pointless... And the other vampires can only get the palatial estate, and sacre cour. D'habi Revenant doesn't give Mata plus bleed at all... One skill card with 2 Notorious Brutality , owl companion, and milan is for... You have less then 50% chance of seeing it in a game I believe... Even smaller chance of seeing it in the first 20 cards. Honestly, I think he'll clump up on action modifiers and master cards... You should stream line it, so you can go through alot of cards in 1 turn... Give it less of a chance to clump up by having less master cards (6~7) and unique allies... 1 war ghoul, 1 High Top, 1 Amam the Devourer?

> I believe she can only be one clan at a time... so actions that > require a clan that's not a Guruhi she can't do. I don't think. So > she can't guruhi of the land when she equips the Ankara Citadel or the > living manse Where do you get this from? > Plus didn't anybody notice he has like 4 locquipment in the deck? Once > he plays one, the other are pointless... And the other vampires can > only get the palatial estate, and sacre cour. Again, where'd you get this from? There's no restriction on having multiple loquipments. Mata can have all the locations without penalty. > D'habi Revenant doesn't give Mata plus bleed at all... Correct. > One skill card with 2 Notorious Brutality , owl companion, and milan > is for... You have less then 50% chance of seeing it in a game I > believe... Even smaller chance of seeing it in the first 20 cards. Mylan, not milan... ;-) However, it seems to work ok in the couple games I've played it so far. Mylan has also been great for helping out cross table allies and for bleeding for 1, and in case of emergency burning for a War Ghoul. > Honestly, I think he'll clump up on action modifiers and master > cards... You should stream line it, so you can go through alot of > cards in 1 turn... Give it less of a chance to clump up by having > less master cards (6~7) and unique allies... 1 war ghoul, 1 High Top, > 1 Amam the Devourer?- Hide quoted text - If it clumps on anything, it's not the action modifiers, it's the actions. Well that's how it's played out in practice so far, but it hasn't clumped too badly. I'm thinking a Helicopter might be useful. Aman almost did make it in, and if I owned a Carlton he'd be in there for sure. [ quoted text not captured ]

J wrote: >> I believe she can only be one clan at a time... so actions that >> require a clan that's not a Guruhi she can't do. I don't think. So >> she can't guruhi of the land when she equips the Ankara Citadel or the >> living manse > > Where do you get this from? he's nuts. >> Plus didn't anybody notice he has like 4 locquipment in the deck? Once >> he plays one, the other are pointless... And the other vampires can >> only get the palatial estate, and sacre cour. > > Again, where'd you get this from? There's no restriction on having > multiple loquipments. Mata can have all the locations without > penalty. hell yeah! >> D'habi Revenant doesn't give Mata plus bleed at all... > > Correct. most common burn option card you own? :) > hasn't clumped too badly. I'm thinking a Helicopter might be useful. > Aman almost did make it in, and if I owned a Carlton he'd be in there > for sure. what about Gregory Winter? I know that, well, anyone can get him anyway so he doesn't need Mata's special, but his abilities are cool. Cooler than Amam, I think. and for the same price (especially if you play in an environment where getting off some +1 stealth actions doesn't require too much effort). -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

Salem wrote: > J wrote: >>> D'habi Revenant doesn't give Mata plus bleed at all... >> >> Correct. > > most common burn option card you own? :) wait. what are they for? surely there are better retainers out there, if you're not using them as burn options. if you're using them for war ghoul fodder, use owl companion instead (still free, has an ability you can use in the mean time). [ quoted text not captured ]

obelisk wrote: > Since she's playing it as though she were a member of that clan, she > would be considered a guruhi for the duration of the action, if I'm > not mistaken. That said, I am not you know who... close. The "The Guruhi Are The Land" (TGATL)card, and only that card, considers her a Guruhi for the duration of the action. Nothing else in the game will consider her Guruhi during that action. ONLY the TGATL card she has played. Which is why she can do it on an action to equip with the Ankara Citadel. The Ankara Citadel card considers her to be a Tremere. But that is th eonly card that considers here a Tremere. She can then play TGATL, and the TGATL will see her as Guruhi. But the Ankara is still seeing her as Tremere. And every other vampire, library card and effect in the game will consider her Ravnos. > Ability: Red List: Mata Hari has 2 votes (titled). You and she may > play cards that require a sect and/or clan as if she were of that > required sect and/or clan. > > -- [ quoted text not captured ]

> > most common burn option card you own? :) > > wait. what are they for? > > surely there are better retainers out there, if you're not using them as > burn options. if you're using them for war ghoul fodder, use owl > companion instead (still free, has an ability you can use in the mean time). They are warghoul fodder with an option to burn if the hand is clumping with stuff. It's actually worked out well that way. I've burned them on more than one occassion. Mata doesn't have animalism to start with, hence the single ani skill card. I thought about other retainers like Tasha Morgan etc, but that burn option just gives it a bit more flexibility that is pretty useful. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] +1 bleed is an instantaneous effect. The hunt bonus and equip bonus are instantaneous if played when the action is successful.

In message <4687938d$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Salem <salem_ch...@hotmail.com> writes: >close. The "The Guruhi Are The Land" (TGATL)card, and only that card, >considers her a Guruhi for the duration of the action. Nothing else in >the game will consider her Guruhi during that action. ONLY the TGATL >card she has played. Play and resolution of the card, not duration of the action. Compare with Kemintiri playing Closed Session. For example: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/571e93365e932a10 Be careful when reading that thread, as LSJ rules the opposite in a number of posts until Josh points out the problem. With Guruhi are the Land, if you play the card early in the action and the effect lingers around, it doesn't appear to work. However, I'm not sure if there's any difference if you play it at the end of a successful equip action and so would untap straight away - or whether it's a lingering effect in much the same way as Closed Session, and it just happens to linger for a fraction of a second. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

> +1 bleed is an instantaneous effect. > The hunt bonus and equip bonus are instantaneous if played when the action is > successful.- Hide quoted text - So it is possilbe to equip Mata with a Living Manse and then use Guruhi are the Land to untap her when it is a successful action? [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Haha! My record stands. If I make a ruling on this NG, assume whatever I say is the exact opposite of correct... Thanks LSJ. [ quoted text not captured ]

librarian wrote: > Haha! My record stands. If I make a ruling on this NG, assume whatever > I say is the exact opposite of correct... Correct.

J wrote: >> +1 bleed is an instantaneous effect. >> The hunt bonus and equip bonus are instantaneous if played when the action is >> successful.- Hide quoted text - > > So it is possilbe to equip Mata with a Living Manse and then use > Guruhi are the Land to untap her when it is a successful action? Yes.

[ quoted text not captured ] 2 Sudario Refractions+Ankara+Freak is hawt with Sibyl's Tongue. Get what you need with Sibyl's, Freak for free, fetch Freak, Sibyl's and Sudario Refraction from your ash heap and do whatever you feel like doing. Or skip the Sibyl's and get a Living Manse or something. Beats Sargon Fragment because it has inherent stealth, doesn't cost blood if you have Ankara, you keep cycling the same freak so it doesn't even cost an action and you get to cycle three cards every time you do it.

J wrote: >> > most common burn option card you own? :) >> >> wait. what are they for? >> >> surely there are better retainers out there, if you're not using them as >> burn options. if you're using them for war ghoul fodder, use owl >> companion instead (still free, has an ability you can use in the mean time). > > They are warghoul fodder with an option to burn if the hand is > clumping with stuff. It's actually worked out well that way. I've > burned them on more than one occassion. Mata doesn't have animalism > to start with, hence the single ani skill card. ah. I'd assumed Mata did have animalism. My bad! > I thought about other > retainers like Tasha Morgan etc, but that burn option just gives it a > bit more flexibility that is pretty useful. Resplendent Protector Type: Retainer Requires: Toreador Mortal with 1 life. The minion with this retainer may prevent 1 damage each combat. Ghoul Escort Type: Retainer Ghoul with 4 life. Requires a ready vampire. When this vampire is blocked, he or she may burn this retainer and untap instead of entering combat. (This does not untap the blocker.) Just throwing some options out there....I know they lack the burn option, but I really can't see it being that much of a bonus compared to the fact that the card does NOTHING at all until turned into a War Ghoul. [ quoted text not captured ]

James Coupe wrote: > In message <4687938d$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Salem > <salem_ch...@hotmail.com> writes: >>close. The "The Guruhi Are The Land" (TGATL)card, and only that card, >>considers her a Guruhi for the duration of the action. Nothing else in >>the game will consider her Guruhi during that action. ONLY the TGATL >>card she has played. > > Play and resolution of the card, not duration of the action. ah yes. good point. I was trying to distinguish between cards that stayed in play and cards that just got played and went straight to the ash heap, but didn't haul my window of effect closed enough. My bad, an apologies for any confusion I've caused. > With Guruhi are the Land, if you play the card early in the action and > the effect lingers around, it doesn't appear to work. However, I'm not > sure if there's any difference if you play it at the end of a successful > equip action and so would untap straight away - or whether it's a > lingering effect in much the same way as Closed Session, and it just > happens to linger for a fraction of a second. seems to be instant from LSJ's post elsewhere in this current thread, as long as you're playing it at the end of the action (except the bleed bit, which can be played at any time, which seems weird to me). Enter ramble mode: I would have thought TGATL + bleed would follow the same sort of thing as, say, superior Foreshadowing Destruction, where you only get +3 bleed as long as the person you are bleeding has less than 10 pool. so you play it on your action, and if they gain some pool and get over 10, then it is no longer 'active' unless they spend back down below 10 pool during that action. would have thought TGATL give the guruhi +1 bleed. but only as long as they are guruhi, so after resolving the effect on Mata, she stops being guruhi for that action, and thus loses the conditional +1 bleed. Unless cards that say "this X gains Y while Z" stop checking for X as soon as it's resolved, but keep checking for the Z the whole way through. Which would cover TGATL (there is no Z to check) and Foreshadowing (there is no X to check). [ quoted text not captured ]

> Resplendent Protector > Type: Retainer > Requires: Toreador > Mortal with 1 life. > The minion with this retainer may prevent 1 damage each combat. > > Just throwing some options out there....I know they lack the burn > option, but I really can't see it being that much of a bonus compared to > the fact that the card does NOTHING at all until turned into a War Ghoul. Sure, want to give/trade me some more resplendant protectors? :P the burn option has been very handy, surprisingly so with only 2 cards out of 90. But more resplendants would probably be useful as well. :P [ quoted text not captured ]

J wrote: >> Resplendent Protector >> Type: Retainer >> Requires: Toreador >> Mortal with 1 life. >> The minion with this retainer may prevent 1 damage each combat. >> >> Just throwing some options out there....I know they lack the burn >> option, but I really can't see it being that much of a bonus compared to >> the fact that the card does NOTHING at all until turned into a War Ghoul. > > Sure, want to give/trade me some more resplendant protectors? > :P i'll see how many I have. I'm thinking of heading to syd this weekend if their tourney goes ahead. are you heading down for it? (you are in newwy, right?) > the burn option has been very handy, surprisingly so with only 2 cards > out of 90. i am surprised! :) > But more resplendants would probably be useful as > well. :P oh, they're rares. I did not know that. I'll still have a look though. :) [ quoted text not captured ]

> i'll see how many I have. I'm thinking of heading to syd this weekend if > their tourney goes ahead. are you heading down for it? (you are in > newwy, right?) Won't be going down most likely, as it is the last weekend before I leave for Europe. [ quoted text not captured ]