Maximum Bleed...

What is the possible maximum bleed in one action.....my friends and I have discovered a way to bleed for a total of 12... Can anyone come up with a way to bleed for more....

[ quoted text not captured ] How's this: Bring out Ozmo (+1 bleed). Play a Dominate skill card on him to give him superior Dominate. Have Ozmo employ J.S. Simmons, Esquire (+1 bleed) and Tasha Morgan (+1 bleed). Have Ozmo equip a Laptop Computer (+1 bleed). Play Pulse of the Cannaille (superior) on Ozmo to give him a bleed of 3+1. Have Ozmo perform a Spying Mission on your prey so that his next bleed will be at +2. Next turn, Ozmo does a Govern the Unaligned to bleed your prey at +2. As an action modifier, play Conditioning (superior). Total bleed is 3 + 1 for Ozmo with Pulse of the Cannaille +1 for J.S. Simmons +1 for Tasha Morgan +1 for the Laptop Computer +2 for the Spying Mission +2 for Govern the Unaligned +3 for Conditioning --- 14 bleed total Much simpler: invite 20 people to play, then call a Conservative Agitation vote to make someone lose 20 blood at once (and take 1 loss yourself just to be nice to the other survivors). Pat oma...@convex.com

Using the same 14 point bleed that someone else posted earlier, you could continue the action and bleed yet again if Ozmo had the skill to allow him to play the freak drive card which lets him take another action that same turn. So Ozmo can bleed for 14+ points of blood in one round...:) - Thanos . -- ********< Fade to Black >***********TH ************************************ * "There is nothing more for me... * A * Steve P. H. Cao * * Need the end to set me free..." * N * than...@virginia.edu * **********< MetallicA >************* OS************************************

TILLO HENRY (92ti...@wave.scar.utoronto.ca) wrote: : What is the possible maximum bleed in one action.....my friends and I have : discovered a way to bleed for a total of 12... : Can anyone come up with a way to bleed for more.... Unless you subscribe to the (bogus) theory that Mask of 1000 Faces lets one violate the "one action modifier per action" rule (someone suggested an interpretation that would let someone play two Conditionings), the most ANYONE could bleed for would be: Vampire with +1 Bleed, given Pulse of the Canaille, a Laptop, Tasha Morgan, J.S.Simmons, who uses a Spying Mission, then uses Govern the Unaligned with Conditioning. [1+3+1+1+1+2+2+3 = 14]. -- Meow!

In article <pkittyD...@netcom.com>, Purple Kitty <pki...@netcom.com> wrote: >Unless you subscribe to the (bogus) theory that Mask of 1000 Faces lets >one violate the "one action modifier per action" rule (someone suggested >an interpretation that would let someone play two Conditionings), the >most ANYONE could bleed for would be: Well, you may think that it's bogus, but it's official. The limitation is one action modifier per action per minion. Mask does not violate this since it's no longer the same minion. This is the same principle that lets Cloak the Gathering superior work. Tom Wylie was the one who suggested that two conditionings works. Some of us hold that the Bonding/Conditioning/Threats clause means that only one CARD of [B/C/T] may be used, but he interprets it as only one TYPE of [B/C/T] may be used, and being the netrep, that makes it official until otherwise noted (admittedly, if I were rewriting the rules, it would be one card of the set). | If you've got a hot lead on a new | *--Joe--* | PC game, call the announce line at | js...@vt.edu | ** csi...@discus.ise.vt.edu ** | +-------------------------------------+---------------------------------- "Carnivores, oy!" -- Timon, TLK

js...@discus.ise.vt.edu (Joseph Cochran) writes: > Tom Wylie was the one who suggested that two conditionings [via Mo1000F] >works. Some of us hold that the Bonding/Conditioning/Threats clause> >means that only one CARD of [B/C/T] may be used, but he interprets it as >only one TYPE of [B/C/T] may be used, and being the netrep, that makes >it official until otherwise noted (admittedly, if I were rewriting the >rules, it would be one card of the set). I checked my cards, and they say " only one of B/C/T may be PLAYED per action". Note, not "used". The Golden Rule of cards indicates that would override the DTR on multiple minion/same action (which is a rules clarification) and I see no ambiguity with the term "played". Not only does the 2nd Conditioning not work, you can't even put it down. This is aside from the spirit and play balance of B/C/T, which I certainly think indicates you can't drop in combination/multiples under any circumstances. Curt Adams (curt...@aol.com)

[ quoted text not captured ] Peace All, Oh, No! I agree with Curt and disagree with Joe & Tom! Arrgh! Nil carborundum illigitimi, James R. McClure Jr. The OS/2 Apostle <insert disclaimer here>

Joshua E. Rowr (jr...@orion.it.luc.edu) wrote: : : 3 + 1 for Ozmo with Pulse of the Cannaille : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : The problem with this is that PotC changes Ozmo's base bleed to 3 rather : then 2. I believe that there has been a WotC ruling on this. There has, and it says that Ozmo becomes a 4 bleeder, not 3. The +1 Bleed is added AFTER the base is calculated, as if he had a Laptop Computer -- Meow!

: : How's this: : : Bring out Ozmo (+1 bleed). Play a Dominate skill card on him to give him : : superior Dominate. Have Ozmo employ J.S. Simmons, Esquire (+1 bleed) and : : Tasha Morgan (+1 bleed). Have Ozmo equip a Laptop Computer (+1 bleed). : : Play Pulse of the Cannaille (superior) on Ozmo to give him a bleed of 3+1. : : Have Ozmo perform a Spying Mission on your prey so that his next bleed : : will be at +2. Next turn, Ozmo does a Govern the Unaligned to bleed your : : prey at +2. As an action modifier, play Conditioning (superior). Total : : bleed is : : 3 + 1 for Ozmo with Pulse of the Cannaille : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : The problem with this is that PotC changes Ozmo's base bleed to 3 rather : then 2. I believe that there has been a WotC ruling on this. : : +1 for J.S. Simmons : : +1 for Tasha Morgan : : +1 for the Laptop Computer : : +2 for the Spying Mission : : +2 for Govern the Unaligned : : +3 for Conditioning : : --- : : 14 bleed total Well now some other +1 bleed vampire with skillcard giving ob and DO plays Mask of a 1000 faces! That vampire now takes over where the action is! That is a 14 bleed 14 bleed + 1 Bleed for the vampire + 1 Laptop + 3 Conditioning ( It is now New vampire playing conditioning, like several OB vamps playing Cloak the Gathering to modify the same action) + 2 Spying Mission --- 21 Bleed Repeat with as many ob, DO vampires you wish. Giving +6 or +7 for ech mask played. If you find this abusive, go ahead. I do and the ones who doesn't must be crazy. And yes, this is the way the Mask card works. This is not the best use of it of course but it is still one of the top Uncommons in my deck. The use of spying mission is of course only hypothetical. (Bleed twice at 6 = 12 blood lost or bleed once at 8?) /Jacob -- =============================================================================== |NAME : Jacob Jonsson |E-Mail | |VV| |STREET : Sernanders v 4:142 | t93...@student.tdb.uu.se| / o | |VV| |ZIP : 752 61 UPPSALA |-------------------------| & |_| | |COUNTRY : Sweden | God is real, unless | | | |VOICE : No voice at all | declared integer | |_______| =============================================================================== |This message is printed with 100% recyclable electrons| +======================================================+

t93...@megrez.tdb.uu.se (Jacob Jonsson) writes: >: : How's this: >: : Bring out Ozmo (+1 bleed). Play a Dominate skill card on him to give him >: : superior Dominate. Have Ozmo employ J.S. Simmons, Esquire (+1 bleed) and >: : Tasha Morgan (+1 bleed). Have Ozmo equip a Laptop Computer (+1 bleed). >: : Play Pulse of the Cannaille (superior) on Ozmo to give him a bleed of 3+1. >: : Have Ozmo perform a Spying Mission on your prey so that his next bleed >: : will be at +2. Next turn, Ozmo does a Govern the Unaligned to bleed your >: : prey at +2. As an action modifier, play Conditioning (superior). Total >: : bleed is >: : 3 + 1 for Ozmo with Pulse of the Cannaille >: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >: The problem with this is that PotC changes Ozmo's base bleed to 3 rather >: then 2. I believe that there has been a WotC ruling on this. >: : +1 for J.S. Simmons >: : +1 for Tasha Morgan >: : +1 for the Laptop Computer >: : +2 for the Spying Mission >: : +2 for Govern the Unaligned >: : +3 for Conditioning >: : --- >: : 14 bleed total >Well now some other +1 bleed vampire with skillcard giving ob and DO >plays Mask of a 1000 faces! >That vampire now takes over where the action is! That is a 14 bleed > 14 bleed > + 1 Bleed for the vampire > + 1 Laptop > + 3 Conditioning ( It is now New vampire playing conditioning, > like several OB vamps playing Cloak the Gathering > to modify the same action) > + 2 Spying Mission > --- > 21 Bleed >Repeat with as many ob, DO vampires you wish. Giving +6 or +7 for ech mask >played. If you find this abusive, go ahead. I do and the ones who doesn't >must be crazy. >And yes, this is the way the Mask card works. This is not the >best use of it of course but it is still one of the top Uncommons in >my deck. >The use of spying mission is of course only hypothetical. (Bleed twice at >6 = 12 blood lost or bleed once at 8?) Spying mission is burned only when the action (bleed) resolves, and so may not be carried over from the first minion to the next Masker. The initial bleeder's Laptop, Pulse, inherent +1, Retainers, would also not carry over. Max bleed is therefore: 3 * (# of Masking Vampires playing superior Conditioning) + 14. With only two vampires, (only one Masking), this makes 17. L. Scott

In article <3lecvm$1...@redwood.cs.scarolina.edu>, sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) wrote: > Max bleed is therefore: > 3 * (# of Masking Vampires playing superior Conditioning) > + 14. > > With only two vampires, (only one Masking), this makes 17. I may be getting into this a bit late, and going over territory already covered- but can you really start doubling up on conditionings and the like? For starters, I believe the ruling has been that an action modifier modifies the action itself. Otherwise you couldn't carry over a Conditioning with the Mask. Now talking about Conditioning, Bonding & Threats specificly, the cards clearly state that only one can be played "per action", not per action, per minion performing the action. My reading of this would be that one of these cards can be played once during the action as a whole. ( IMO this is very balanced and clearly within the strict letter and spirit of the rule) In terms of the other action modifiers, my group plays that only one of each type of action modifier can be played per action. This would mean that only one Lost in Crowds (for example) could be played for the entire action. The sole exceptions to this are those cards allowing another minions to play modifiers. This generally means Cloak the Gathering and the Mask. Now perhaps this should be considered a house ruling. I believe that my group generally plays that only one additional Cloak can be played, and that only one Mask can be played. I do recognize that the rules might allow for additional duplicate modifiers to be played by another minion. I also recognize that a reading of the rules might allow a Masking vampire to play additional modifiers (like stealth cards already played by an earlier minion this action), but I would like to see the specific rule that these interpretations are derived from. As I said, I hope that this is not backtracking too much, but as I am fairly new to the newsgroup, i hope you will indulge me. Thanks stephen

In article <hippo-30039...@gill.hrc.utexas.edu>, Stephen Beaulieu <hi...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote: >I may be getting into this a bit late, and going over territory already >covered- but can you really start doubling up on conditionings and the >like? For starters, I believe the ruling has been that an action modifier Quick recap: current rules are 1 modifier per minion per action and 1 reaction per minion per action. B/C/T's clause has been interpreted by Tom Wylie to mean 1 of those TYPES can be used per action, while other less official people (myself included) say only one CARD from that subset can be used. With Tom's ruling, Mask allows multiple conditionings. That's the official word so far. Check rules section 7.2.2 for rules confirmation. [ quoted text not captured ]

Stephen Beaulieu (hi...@mail.utexas.edu) wrote: : I may be getting into this a bit late, and going over territory already : covered- but can you really start doubling up on conditionings and the : like? For starters, I believe the ruling has been that an action modifier : modifies the action itself. Otherwise you couldn't carry over a : Conditioning with the Mask. Now talking about Conditioning, Bonding & : Threats specificly, the cards clearly state that only one can be played : "per action", not per action, per minion performing the action. My reading : of this would be that one of these cards can be played once during the : action as a whole. CONGRATULATIONS!!! By demonstrating that you can (and have) read the card in question, understand basic English grammar and can apply 3rd-grade logic skills, you are now officially _smarter_ than the entire Design Team! Sigh. Someone asked this question about usinf B/C/T on a Mask of 1000 faces, and out of the blue the Design Team (or was it Tom all on his lonesome?) ruled that one could only use one TYPE of B/C/T per action. This is usually enough,as each minion can only play one of each action modifier per action. HOWEVER When the Mask of 1000 faces kicks in, things get tricky. I (and almost the entire rest of this newsgroup) agree with you that the modifier afforded by B/C/T should apply to the _vampire_ and not the action (so by switching out vampires after playing it you would effectively lose that benefit) OR that the new vampire cannot play another B/C/T because one has already been played on the action. The maximum bleed argument involving adding in +3/vampire w/ Sup. Dominate that Scott posted involves using the official rules, not common sense. : In terms of the other action modifiers, my group plays that only one of : each type of action modifier can be played per action. This would mean : that only one Lost in Crowds (for example) could be played for the entire : action. Again - this is reasonable, logical... and now it's wrong. If you switched off vampires in the middle of an action (with Mo1000F) the new minion could now _also_ play a Lost in the Crowds - at least according to the implications of above ruling they could... Shane Travis | A fanatic is someone who can't change his sht...@duke.usask.ca | mind and won't change the subject. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | -- Winston Churchill

TILLO HENRY (92ti...@wave.scar.utoronto.ca) wrote: > What is the possible maximum bleed in one action.....my friends and I have > discovered a way to bleed for a total of 12... My best actual bleed in a game was 7. I know there's a way to do 10. How did you get 12? -- /------------------------------------/ /----------------------------------\ / Hippie - New & Improved for the 90s \ \ Seven and a half million years \ \ aka: ae...@rgfn.epcc.edu or John / / and all you can come up w/ is 42? / \------------------------------------\ \----------------------------------/

In article <1995Apr7.1...@rgfn.epcc.edu>, ae...@rgfn.epcc.edu (John C Olsakovsky) wrote: > I know there's a way to do 10. How did you get 12? The highest I have actually figured out is 14. (This assumes that only 1 conditioning card can be played per action. See previous posts concerning this argument) 3 Pulse of the Canille base 3 bleed 3 4 Vamp natural +1 bleed +1 5 Laptop +1 6 JS Simmons +1 7 Tasha Morgan +1 9 Govern the Unaligned (Or Legal Manipulations) +2 11 Spying Mission +2 14 Conditioning +3 If all these factors come together, the bleed would be for 14. stephen