[LSJ] Unity

Unity, i think someone called it. The one that allows you to put two cards from your ash heap on top of your library, then you _may_ cut your deck once. Qns: Can you put the cards on top in whatever order you want? I assume from the 'may', that the cutting is optional? If you do cut, are you allowed to, say, choose how many cards you grab in the piece of cut? eg: just grab the two cards you put on top, and then put them on the bottom, or just grab the bottom 1 or 2 cards, and put them on top. I'm trying to get a sense for how 'random' the cut-point it in the cut, and how, if it is supposed to be fairly random, are you to enforce it if a player wants to cut the deck at one extreme end of her deck. -- salem http://users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/vtes/ (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

Salem skrev: > Unity, i think someone called it. The one that allows you to put two > cards from your ash heap on top of your library, then you _may_ cut your > deck once. > > Qns: > > Can you put the cards on top in whatever order you want? > > I assume from the 'may', that the cutting is optional? > > If you do cut, are you allowed to, say, choose how many cards you grab > in the piece of cut? > eg: just grab the two cards you put on top, and then put them on the > bottom, or just grab the bottom 1 or 2 cards, and put them on top. > > I'm trying to get a sense for how 'random' the cut-point it in the cut, > and how, if it is supposed to be fairly random, are you to enforce it if > a player wants to cut the deck at one extreme end of her deck. > Split a deck in two portions seems to be the normal definition. Seems it would be legal to get GREAT use of Waste Management Operation. Sten *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

In message <443dfa97$0$14383$6d36...@titian.nntpserver.com>, Sten During <ya...@netg.se> writes: >Split a deck in two portions seems to be the normal definition. Seems >it would be legal to get GREAT use of Waste Management Operation. Yes, I've been wondering about that. Waste Management Operation with a few supporting Hunters. The Rose Foundation (I think?) to let you use Conviction to get votes, and a !Brujah Presence vote-y sort of deck. Recycle the key cards to taste. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

Salem wrote: > Unity, i think someone called it. The one that allows you to put two > cards from your ash heap on top of your library, then you _may_ cut your > deck once. > > Qns: > > Can you put the cards on top in whatever order you want? Yes. How else? > I assume from the 'may', that the cutting is optional? No need to assume. :-) "May" does indeed tell you that it is optional. > If you do cut, are you allowed to, say, choose how many cards you grab > in the piece of cut? Yes. How else?

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:1144927208....@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Salem wrote: >> If you do cut, are you allowed to, say, choose how many cards you grab >> in the piece of cut? > > Yes. How else? Well, some might try to claim that it was not legal to cut a precise number of cards of your choosing and that you must attempt to cut a "random" number of cards instead. Personally, I think it's fine to allow the user to count out how many cards he wants to cut. But...since you asked. Fred

[ quoted text not captured ] I assume that cards requiring Virtues also counts as requiring am Imbued? And Convictions? They dont specifically say "requires an imbued" but they kind of do... :) So, can I use Unity to put a Vigilance and a Second Sight on top of the library for instance?

niko...@hotmail.com wrote: > Fred Scott wrote: > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message > > news:1144927208....@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > Salem wrote: > > >> If you do cut, are you allowed to, say, choose how many cards you grab > > >> in the piece of cut? > > > > > > Yes. How else? > > > > Well, some might try to claim that it was not legal to cut a precise number > > of cards of your choosing and that you must attempt to cut a "random" > > number of cards instead. > > > > Personally, I think it's fine to allow the user to count out how many > > cards he wants to cut. But...since you asked. > > > > Fred > > > I assume that cards requiring Virtues also counts as requiring am > Imbued? And Convictions? They dont specifically say "requires an > imbued" but they kind of do... :) Unity has text on this: "cards that require an imbued (or creed or virtue)." I don't know if convictions count or not, but my guess would be not (since they aren't in the parenthetical text and don't specifically say that they require an imbued). But I've been wrong before. > So, can I use Unity to put a Vigilance and a Second Sight on top of the > library for instance? Witness1 -ItE

witness1 wrote: > niko...@hotmail.com wrote: > > I assume that cards requiring Virtues also counts as requiring am > > Imbued? And Convictions? They dont specifically say "requires an > > imbued" but they kind of do... :) > > Unity has text on this: "cards that require an imbued (or creed or > virtue)." I don't know if convictions count or not, but my guess would > be not (since they aren't in the parenthetical text and don't > specifically say that they require an imbued). But I've been wrong > before. Convictions do "require" imbued (although not necessarily "ready" imbued -- incapacitated imbued can still grab a Convcition in their untap). This ruling shouldn't matter one way or the other, though, since Convictions recycle from the ash heap by nature so there's no reason to pull one back into the library.

LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > This ruling shouldn't matter one way or the other, though, since > Convictions recycle from the ash heap by nature so there's no reason to > pull one back into the library. There is one reason you might want to do this. Unity allows an arbitrary "cut", so it works well in combination with Waste Management Operation and other effects that put cards on the bottom of your library. So you can use a token Visionary, a Conviction card, and Unity in a deck, along with your !Brujah and Waste Management, to be able to burn a pool to put any card from your ash heap on top of your library.

[ quoted text not captured ] Why would you bury a still-useful ashed Conviction card in your library instead of one of your other ashed cards?

[ quoted text not captured ] Ok, I just used those two cards as examples so I wouldnt have to reveal my evil and cunning plan, but I'll do so, just to make sure that I'm not breaking any rules. :) Can I pick up Determine (this is the one im unsure about) Cardtype: Reaction Cost: 1 Conviction Virtue: Vision Play when a monster controlled by your predator is bleeding you. Tap this reacting imbued. The monster is now bleeding your predator's predator. Or play when a monster controlled by your predator or prey plays an action card. Tap this reacting imbued and cancel that action card as it is played (no cost is paid, and the monster doesn't tap). That monster cannot play the same action card again this turn. and Angel of Berlin [NoR:C] (this one im sure about) Cardtype: Master Master: out-of-turn. Requires a ready imbued. Untap an imbued, or equip a ready imbued you control with an equipment from your hand (requirements must be met; pay cost as normal). Not usable during combat.

[ quoted text not captured ] Because you specifically built the deck with a Visionary, Unity, and a couple of Conviction cards, just to get your Waste Management Operation "Twister" combo to work, in a deck that otherwise doesn't care about Imbued.

niko...@hotmail.com wrote: > Ok, I just used those two cards as examples so I wouldnt have to reveal > my evil and cunning plan, but I'll do so, just to make sure that I'm > not breaking any rules. :) Yes, card text: "cards that require an imbued (or a creed or a virtue)". By the ruling above, Convictions also count as requiring an imbued. > Can I pick up Determine (this is the one im unsure about) > > Cardtype: Reaction > Cost: 1 Conviction > Virtue: Vision > Play when a monster controlled by your predator is bleeding you. Tap > this reacting imbued. The monster is now bleeding your predator's > predator. > Or play when a monster controlled by your predator or prey plays an > action card. Tap this reacting imbued and cancel that action card as it > is played (no cost is paid, and the monster doesn't tap). That monster > cannot play the same action card again this turn. > > and > > Angel of Berlin [NoR:C] (this one im sure about) > Cardtype: Master > Master: out-of-turn. Requires a ready imbued. > Untap an imbued, or equip a ready imbued you control with an equipment > from your hand (requirements must be met; pay cost as normal). Not > usable during combat. Witness1 -ItE