TOM: Jyhad question?

First, can a vampire that is contested (not title) be attacked by a Bum's Rush or other directed action attack? If so what happens to this vampire if it is killed? Second, in which phase do you yield a contested card? Is it only allowable in the Untap phase? Thanks ---- --- ---- | Peter Skanes | "Who is more foolish: The fool or | | Memorial University | the fool that follows him? | | of Newfoundland | - Obi-Wan Kenobi | ---- --- ---- | Curator -- Star Wars RPG Mailing List | | pskanes@morgan.ucs.mun.ca | -- --

Date: 17 Oct 94 15:24:01 GMT In article <pskanes.782407441@morgan> Peter Skanes, pskanes@morgan.ucs.mun.ca writes: > First, can a vampire that is contested (not title) be attacked by >a Bum's Rush or other directed action attack? If so what happens to this >vampire if it is killed? > > Second, in which phase do you yield a contested card? Is it only >allowable in the Untap phase? > >Thanks I'm not Tom, but these questions have been answered already. No, the contested vamp is out of play, can't be attacked or affected except be card that specifically say they affect contested vamps. Yes only during the untap phase and the player with the last remaining uncontested vamp doesn't get his till his untap phase. David Willis dwillis@earthlink.net "I don't give a damn what religion you are - all I care is how you treat people."

Peter Skanes <pskanes@morgan.ucs.mun.ca> wrote: > First, can a vampire that is contested (not title) be attacked by >a Bum's Rush or other directed action attack? If so what happens to this >vampire if it is killed? Contested cards cannot be interacted with in any way. The only game effect they will have is to put new copies of that card into contention as well. Specifically, you cannot Bum's Rush a contested vampire. > Second, in which phase do you yield a contested card? Is it only >allowable in the Untap phase? Contested cards can only be yielded during the yielding player's untap phase. If yielding such a card leaves just one copy behind, the player who controls that copy won't get it back until their next turn. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

In article <382kcv$2eb@perv.hal.com>, Tom Wylie <aahz@hal.COM> wrote: >> Second, in which phase do you yield a contested card? Is it only >>allowable in the Untap phase? > >Contested cards can only be yielded during the yielding player's untap >phase. If yielding such a card leaves just one copy behind, the player >who controls that copy won't get it back until their next turn. Where is this mentioned in the rules? I want to be able to prove it to people. -- Doug DeJulio mailto:ddj+@pitt.edu http://www.pitt.edu/~ddj/

ddj+@pitt.edu (Doug Dejulio) writes: >In article <382kcv$2eb@perv.hal.com>, Tom Wylie <aahz@hal.COM> wrote: >>> Second, in which phase do you yield a contested card? Is it only >>>allowable in the Untap phase? Yup. >>Contested cards can only be yielded during the yielding player's untap >>phase. If yielding such a card leaves just one copy behind, the player >>who controls that copy won't get it back until their next turn. > >Where is this mentioned in the rules? I want to be able to prove it >to people. It follows implicitly from the phrase "Alternatively [to paying pool in untap] you can deice to..." on page 15, under "Contested cards". - Tor Iver -- Tor Iver Wilhelmsen <toriver@pvv.unit.no> CS student at NTH, Trondheim, NO Info: http://www.pvv.unit.no/~toriver/ Member of The Software Workshop, UNIT Stem JA den 28. november! "Memory is like an orgasm. It's much better if you don't have to fake it." -- Seymour Cray on virtual memory ***********

Doug Dejulio <ddj+@pitt.edu> wrote: >>> Second, in which phase do you yield a contested card? Is it only >>>allowable in the Untap phase? >>Contested cards can only be yielded during the yielding player's untap >>phase. If yielding such a card leaves just one copy behind, the player >>who controls that copy won't get it back until their next turn. >Where is this mentioned in the rules? I want to be able to prove it >to people. "You lose one blood from your blood pool during your untap phase for each of your contested cards. Alternatively, you can decide to discard your contested cards..." The "alternatively" means it is an option to paying pool, not something you can do at any time. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

> > First, can a vampire that is contested (not title) be attacked by > >a Bum's Rush or other directed action attack? If so what happens to this > >vampire if it is killed? > No, the contested vamp is out of play, can't be attacked or affected > except be card that specifically say they affect contested vamps. So... no directed attack; Blood Dolls on the contested vampire cannot be used; transfers cannot be spent to pull blood back from a controlled vampire (a maneuver I think would make for more-interesting games, IMHO), minions cannot reclaim equipment, etc. And if and when the vampire is yielded by its first holder, all cards (titles, equipment, etc) are lost, n'est-ce pas? papillo the intoner

Bob Ellison <papillo@fc.hp.com> wrote: >> > First, can a vampire that is contested (not title) be attacked by >> >a Bum's Rush or other directed action attack? If so what happens to this >> >vampire if it is killed? >> No, the contested vamp is out of play, can't be attacked or affected >> except be card that specifically say they affect contested vamps. >So... no directed attack; Blood Dolls on the contested vampire cannot >be used; transfers cannot be spent to pull blood back from a controlled >vampire (a maneuver I think would make for more-interesting games, IMHO), >minions cannot reclaim equipment, etc. All correct. >And if and when the vampire is yielded by its first holder, all cards >(titles, equipment, etc) are lost, n'est-ce pas? All cards on the copy which was yielded are burned, yes. Equipment and such on the other copy will be fine. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

> Bob Ellison <papillo@fc.hp.com> wrote: > >> > First, can a vampire that is contested (not title) be attacked by > >> >a Bum's Rush or other directed action attack? If so what happens to this > >> >vampire if it is killed? > >> No, the contested vamp is out of play, can't be attacked or affected > >> except be card that specifically say they affect contested vamps. > >So... no directed attack; Blood Dolls on the contested vampire cannot > >be used; transfers cannot be spent to pull blood back from a controlled > >vampire (a maneuver I think would make for more-interesting games, IMHO), > >minions cannot reclaim equipment, etc. > All correct. Thanks for the quick response (! :-). If you would allow me to change the question a little... What about a vampire in torpor? A vampire encountering another vampire in torpor may rescue it or diablerize it. But may it also claim equipment? May another minion encounter such a vampire and claim equipment? May an opposing minion encounter such a vampire and claim equipment? A vampire in torpor may not hunt at Hunting Grounds, but may he or she use a Blood Doll to slowly strengthen himself or herself to eventually come out of torpor? (Yes, this came up in our Celerian-vs-Protean game last night. ;-) The Protean and I kept sending each other to torpor, but he managed to keep getting out through the use of a Blood Doll on one of his vamps. Really irritating, but I think it was legal...) papillo the unrelenting

Bob Ellison <papillo@fc.hp.com> wrote: >What about a vampire in torpor? A vampire encountering another vampire >in torpor may rescue it or diablerize it. But may it also claim equipment? >May another minion encounter such a vampire and claim equipment? May >an opposing minion encounter such a vampire and claim equipment? The only default actions which can be used on things in torpor is to encounter a vampire there, or to use an equip action to move equipment from one of your vampires in torpor to a ready minion. You can never use an equip action to grab another player's equipment. >A vampire in torpor may not hunt at Hunting Grounds, but may he or she >use a Blood Doll to slowly strengthen himself or herself to eventually >come out of torpor? In general, master cards can be played on vampires in torpor, and the player can make use of those cards, so yes you could Blood Doll a vampire in torpor. In general, minion cards (or actions provided through master cards) cannot be used on vampires in torpor, though exceptions will be noted. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.