Jyhad: The Chainsaw. Melee weapon?

So, is the chainsaw supposed to be a melee weapon? It doesn't say so on my card, but that would actually be a reason to use it over the sawed-off shotgun. This would be a great time for Tom to speak up and say that it's a typo. Sadly, I know it's probably not meant to be, but, hey, I can dream, can't I? Scott storm@tamsun.tamu.edu

Re: Jyhad: The Chainsaw. Melee weapon? > So, is the chainsaw supposed to be a melee weapon? It doesn't say so > on my card, but that would actually be a reason to use it over the > sawed-off shotgun. This would be a great time for Tom to speak up and > say that it's a typo. Sadly, I know it's probably not meant to be, but, > hey, I can dream, can't I? No, the Chainsaw is a ranged weapon. Haven't you seen people juggle them? They make great thrown weapons. (You can only throw them once tho, so that's why they're usable only once per combat.) (and if you believe that, I have a Throat Wolf for you..) --- @cyberia.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (USENet) Cyberia BBS, Sherwood Pk, AB, CAN. (403)464-5479 VirtualNet: 1403009

storm@tamsun.tamu.edu (Edward S Shaw) writes: >So, is the chainsaw supposed to be a melee weapon? It doesn't say so >on my card, but that would actually be a reason to use it over the Actually it does say so on the card. It says '3 damage' as opposed to '3R damage', so it is a melee weapon. -- Andre Kostur akostur@helix.net

Edward S Shaw <storm@tamsun.tamu.edu> wrote: >So, is the chainsaw supposed to be a melee weapon? It doesn't say so >on my card, but that would actually be a reason to use it over the >sawed-off shotgun. This would be a great time for Tom to speak up and >say that it's a typo. Sadly, I know it's probably not meant to be, but, >hey, I can dream, can't I? It certainly seems like it's a typo, doesn't it? But I still haven't gotten a response to my question about this, so assume for now that it's not, but stay tuned. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

Andre Kostur <akostur@helix.net> wrote: >>So, is the chainsaw supposed to be a melee weapon? It doesn't say so >>on my card, but that would actually be a reason to use it over the >Actually it does say so on the card. It says '3 damage' as opposed to >'3R damage', so it is a melee weapon. "doesn't do ranged damage" and "melee weapon" are not necessarily synonymous. A weapon is only a "melee weapon" if it says so on the card (see Bastard Sword). Chainsaw doesn't say so, so isn't one. Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

aahz@hal.COM (Tom Wylie) writes: >Andre Kostur <akostur@helix.net> wrote: >>>So, is the chainsaw supposed to be a melee weapon? It doesn't say so >>>on my card, but that would actually be a reason to use it over the >>Actually it does say so on the card. It says '3 damage' as opposed to >>'3R damage', so it is a melee weapon. >"doesn't do ranged damage" and "melee weapon" are not necessarily >synonymous. A weapon is only a "melee weapon" if it says so on the >card (see Bastard Sword). Chainsaw doesn't say so, so isn't one. Ooops.... that's what I get for being careless about my words... :) I stand corrected. -- Andre Kostur akostur@helix.net

Why would anyone use the chainsaw, if one could use a sawn-off shotgun instead (both for 2 blood, 3 damage ONCE, but the chainsaw is uncommon, and the shotgun's damage is ranged) ? If the chainsaw were a melee-weapon, I'd say because of all those potence cards which increase damage, but as it is right now ... Did I overlook something, or did the playtesting department screw up ? Arne Gabriel

In article <352ess$hch@perv.hal.com>, Tom Wylie <aahz@hal.COM> wrote: >It certainly seems like it's a typo, doesn't it? But I still haven't >gotten a response to my question about this, so assume for now that >it's not, but stay tuned. > I appreciate it. Scott storm@tamsun.tamu.edu

In article <354c9t$q10@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Arne Gabriel <uk41@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote: >Why would anyone use the chainsaw, if one could use a sawn-off shotgun >instead (both for 2 blood, 3 damage ONCE, but the chainsaw is uncommon, >and the shotgun's damage is ranged) ? If the chainsaw were a melee-weapon, >I'd say because of all those potence cards which increase damage, but as >it is right now ... > Exactly. How about them disguised/concealed weapons, too? Scott storm@tamsun.tamu.edu

uk41@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Arne Gabriel) observes: >Why would anyone use the chainsaw, if one could use a sawn-off shotgun >instead >Did I overlook something, or did the playtesting department screw up ? As far as I can tell, you haven't missed anything. There are a couple of similar problems in the cards as it stands. Chainsaw redundant to Sawed-off Shotgun Concealed Weapon redundant to Disguised Weapon There are others which are debatable, but these are the main ones. I suggest the following solutions: Chainsaw: change to useable once per round, not once per combat. This makes the chainsaw more expensive than the Bastard sword and has very different properties. The Bastard sword is usable each strike and can be combined with Potence cards. The Chainsaw is useful if you can press, the sword with additional strikes and Potence cards. Disguised Weapon: Give this a vampire-blood cost of 1. This evens out with Concealed weapons disadvantage regarding limits on what it can be used with. Don't be afraid to issue your own errata! It's the only way to be sure you'll get a quick, fair ruling. 8-) Mad Chris, back-seat rules suggestions.