[LSJ] questions : bloodform + blood of acid

Blood of acid (Vic, 2 blood) inf : Only usable at close range before strikes are chosen. During strike resolution, the opposing minion takes an amount of damage equal to the damage he or she successfully inflicts. sup: as above, but the damage is aggravated. Bloodform (Vic) sup : Play before range is chosen. This vampire is immune to non-aggravated damage for the current round. This vampire cannot strike this round. This vampire gets an optional press, usable only to end combat. During a combat, Tzimisce A plays before range : bloodform and after range, blood of acid. The opposing minion (B) strikes for 4 non-aggravated damage. Minion A doesn't strike, as he played bloodform at superior. 1st question : Is the damage inflicted by minion B considered successfully inflicted despite the Bloodform ? and btw, does he take the same amount of damage from blood of acid ? I guess yes, because the damage is not prevented. Minion A is just immune to the damage he received, which is different. But I need your help to certify ! 2nd question : assuming that minion B suffers from Blood of Acid (wether or not there was a bloodform), is the damage environmental ? Can minion B prevent these damage ? Which source is it considered to be ? Thanks in advance Arpeges

Arpeges wrote: > > Blood of acid (Vic, 2 blood) > inf : Only usable at close range before strikes are chosen. During strike > resolution, the opposing minion takes an amount of damage equal to the > damage he or she successfully inflicts. > sup: as above, but the damage is aggravated. > > Bloodform (Vic) > sup : Play before range is chosen. This vampire is immune to non-aggravated > damage for the current round. This vampire cannot strike this round. This > vampire gets an optional press, usable only to end combat. > > During a combat, Tzimisce A plays before range : bloodform and after range, > blood of acid. The opposing minion (B) strikes for 4 non-aggravated damage. > Minion A doesn't strike, as he played bloodform at superior. > > 1st question : Is the damage inflicted by minion B considered successfully > inflicted despite the Bloodform ? and btw, does he take the same amount of > damage from blood of acid ? Yes. Yes. > I guess yes, because the damage is not prevented. Minion A is just immune to > the damage he received, which is different. But I need your help to certify > ! Correct. > 2nd question : assuming that minion B suffers from Blood of Acid (wether or > not there was a bloodform), is the damage environmental ? Can minion B > prevent these damage ? Which source is it considered to be ? Yes. Yes. Environmental. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3D04DE01...@white-wolf.com... > Arpeges wrote: > > > > Bloodform (Vic) > > sup : Play before range is chosen. This vampire is immune to non-aggravated > > damage for the current round. This vampire cannot strike this round. This > > vampire gets an optional press, usable only to end combat. > > > > During a combat, Tzimisce A plays before range : bloodform and after range, > > blood of acid. The opposing minion (B) strikes for 4 non-aggravated damage. > > Minion A doesn't strike, as he played bloodform at superior. > > > > 1st question : Is the damage inflicted by minion B considered successfully > > inflicted despite the Bloodform ? and btw, does he take the same amount of > > damage from blood of acid ? > > Yes. Yes. > How is this different from Ex Nihilo, re LSJ 10/29/2001: > > > > If a vampire with Ex Nihilio takes non-aggravated damage, is that > > damage considered "successfully inflicted" for the purpose of cards > > such as Masochism and Disarm? Is a vampire with Ex Nihilio immune to > > unpreventable non-aggravated damage as well? > > No. Yes. >

[ quoted text not captured ] Well, it's completely contradictory, for starters. But I suspect you already knew that part. :-) [LSJ 10/29/2001] is correct. My previous post above re: Bloodform and Blood of Acid is not correct. Damage inflicted on a minion (or retainer) who is immune to that damage is not considered to be successfully inflicted. Thanks for the catch, Chris. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:3D05E8D8...@white-wolf.com... [ quoted text not captured ] Btw, the zero-reduced-damage by a memoried of mortality vampire against an ally is considered to have been "succesfully inflicted" ? thanks in advance Emiliano, v:ekn prince of Rome [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] It's 0 points, so it isn't inflicted at all (neither successfully nor unsuccessfully). The question of "successfully inflicted" only applies to points of damage. No points => no question. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3D05E8D8...@white-wolf.com... > Chris Berger wrote: > > > > > {snip - damage dealt to an immune considered successful} >> > > How is this different from Ex Nihilo, re LSJ 10/29/2001: > > > Well, it's completely contradictory, for starters. But I suspect you already > knew that part. :-) > Well, I suspected as much. But I also considered that I might be misreading one or the other. > [LSJ 10/29/2001] is correct. My previous post above re: Bloodform and > Blood of Acid is not correct. > > Damage inflicted on a minion (or retainer) who is immune to that damage is > not considered to be successfully inflicted. > > Thanks for the catch, Chris. > Cool, I feel a little better now. I was thinking that I was really, *really* gonna hate the Bloodform/Blood of Acid combo. Although, that gets me thinking about a King of the Mountain/Drawing Out the Beast combo. Too bad DOtB is 1/combat now. ;)