Q: Voting, Contesting, Pool, Ready

Just recently there came up some questions which I couldn't find in the errata or revised rules. 1. What is the definition of a 'Ready Vampire' ? The rules seem to indicate that it is synonym to active, wether tapped or not, but the errata especially the parts on Disarming Presence and Domain Challenge hint at 'Ready is active and untapped'. 2. Does voting tap a Primogen/Prince/Justicar ? Are tapped Vampires allowed to vote ? [This also relates to question 1 since only ready vamps may cast votes.] If they don't tap and/or tapped vamps may vote I see no reason why I should not use all my vamps during a vote. 3. Does playing a reaction card during a vote to gain additional votes tap the reacting vampire ? 4. When using Effective Management to bring a Vamp from my crypt into my uncontrolled region do I have to pay 1 pool ? I'd say no, but you never know :-) 5. Are Vampires that contest titles still in play and are therefor able to e.g. hunt or fight ? And can they be attacked ? I'd say yes. Any comments ? Bye, Michael -- + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | Michael Gerdau Institut fuer Meereskunde | | ger...@ifm.uni-hamburg.de Universitaet Hamburg | | Tel. +49(0)40 4123 2988 Troplowitzstrasse 7 | | FAX +49(0)40 560 5724 D-22529 Hamburg (Letters) | | 2b or not 2b that's ff D-20146 Hamburg (Parcels) | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +

In article <42h1bn$9...@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>, Michael Gerdau <ger...@ifm.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: >Just recently there came up some questions which I couldn't find in the >errata or revised rules. > >1. What is the definition of a 'Ready Vampire' ? > The rules seem to indicate that it is synonym to active, wether tapped > or not, but the errata especially the parts on Disarming Presence and > Domain Challenge hint at 'Ready is active and untapped'. Ready: Controlled and not in Torpor. (Tapped or not) I know of no conflict with this definition and Disarming Presence rulings. Please inform me if I have missed a ruling or an interpretation. > >2. Does voting tap a Primogen/Prince/Justicar ? Are tapped Vampires > allowed to vote ? [This also relates to question 1 since only ready > vamps may cast votes.] > If they don't tap and/or tapped vamps may vote I see no reason why I > should not use all my vamps during a vote. Voting does not normally tap. You need not be untapped to vote. You (generally) should use all your vampires to vote. Disarming Presence would be one reason not to, threat of Voter Captivation might be another. > >3. Does playing a reaction card during a vote to gain additional votes tap > the reacting vampire ? Reaction cards never tap, except as explicitly stated on a card. So, no. >4. When using Effective Management to bring a Vamp from my crypt into my > uncontrolled region do I have to pay 1 pool ? > I'd say no, but you never know :-) No. >5. Are Vampires that contest titles still in play and are therefor able > to e.g. hunt or fight ? And can they be attacked ? > I'd say yes. Any comments ? Yes. ('be attacked' by Bum's Rush, etc. - yes.). They only lose any benefit derived from the title (votes, certain actions, immunity from the 'Blood Hunt' action, etc.) -- ----- L. Scott Johnson (lsc...@crl.com) | The opinions expressed are mine Graphics Specialist and Jyhad Rulemonger | and subject to card text

In <42hf8i$m...@crl.crl.com>, lsc...@crl.com (L. Scott Johnson) writes: >In article <42h1bn$9...@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>, >Michael Gerdau <ger...@ifm.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: >>Just recently there came up some questions which I couldn't find in the >>errata or revised rules. >> >>1. What is the definition of a 'Ready Vampire' ? >> The rules seem to indicate that it is synonym to active, wether tapped >> or not, but the errata especially the parts on Disarming Presence and >> Domain Challenge hint at 'Ready is active and untapped'. > >Ready: Controlled and not in Torpor. (Tapped or not) ..which to my understanding is what active means. Right ?! >I know of no conflict with this definition and Disarming Presence rulings. >Please inform me if I have missed a ruling or an interpretation. see 2. >>2. Does voting tap a Primogen/Prince/Justicar ? Are tapped Vampires >> allowed to vote ? [This also relates to question 1 since only ready >> vamps may cast votes.] >> If they don't tap and/or tapped vamps may vote I see no reason why I >> should not use all my vamps during a vote. > >Voting does not normally tap. You need not be untapped to vote. You >(generally) should use all your vampires to vote. Disarming Presence would >be one reason not to, threat of Voter Captivation might be another. IMHO it would be nice if you have to be careful which of your vampire to spend on which vote. It would allow for interesting tactics. You also could try to bleed before starting political actions thereby removing the (opposing) prince from the voting. Either you succeed in your bleed or the political action(s) you have up your sleeve are more likely to pass. In general the titled vampires would be less powerful. The errata on Disarming Presence says: 'The Tapping is a side effect, not a cost, so tapped vampires can still vote.[DTR]' This seems to indicate that normally being tapped prevents you from casting votes. The errata on Domain Challenge says: 'Tapped minions are counted after the vote is completed.[DTR]' If you won't tap on casting votes then what is the difference in counting tapped minions at the beginning versus at the end. Remember: according to rule 12.3 the acting minion is tapped [immediately]. [ quoted text not captured ]

ger...@ifm.uni-hamburg.de (Michael Gerdau) writes: >In <42hf8i$m...@crl.crl.com>, lsc...@crl.com (L. Scott Johnson) writes: >>In article <42h1bn$9...@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>, >>Michael Gerdau <ger...@ifm.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: >>>Just recently there came up some questions which I couldn't find in the >>>errata or revised rules. >>> >>>1. What is the definition of a 'Ready Vampire' ? >>> The rules seem to indicate that it is synonym to active, wether tapped >>> or not, but the errata especially the parts on Disarming Presence and >>> Domain Challenge hint at 'Ready is active and untapped'. >> >>Ready: Controlled and not in Torpor. (Tapped or not) >..which to my understanding is what active means. Right ?! Correct. >>I know of no conflict with this definition and Disarming Presence rulings. >>Please inform me if I have missed a ruling or an interpretation. >see 2. >>>2. Does voting tap a Primogen/Prince/Justicar ? Are tapped Vampires >>> allowed to vote ? [This also relates to question 1 since only ready >>> vamps may cast votes.] >>> If they don't tap and/or tapped vamps may vote I see no reason why I >>> should not use all my vamps during a vote. >> >>Voting does not normally tap. You need not be untapped to vote. You >>(generally) should use all your vampires to vote. Disarming Presence would >>be one reason not to, threat of Voter Captivation might be another. >The errata on Disarming Presence says: >'The Tapping is a side effect, not a cost, so tapped vampires > can still vote.[DTR]' >This seems to indicate that normally being tapped prevents you from >casting votes. What it is trying to indicate is that tapped vampires can still vote as normal under a Disarming Presence referrendum. If tapping was made a cost by Disarming Presence, this would not be the case. Disarming Presence simply adds a side effect (becoming tapped) to voting. >The errata on Domain Challenge says: >'Tapped minions are counted after the vote is completed.[DTR]' >If you won't tap on casting votes then what is the difference in counting >tapped minions at the beginning versus at the end. >Remember: according to rule 12.3 the acting minion is tapped [immediately]. This errata was isssued w.r.t Disarming Presence. The amount of pool lost is not determined when the conditions of the referrendum are set (before the votes are cast), as many people once believed. The terms are: 'Each Methuselah will lose pool equal to the number of untapped minions she has when the vote is completed.' The only case (with the current set of cards) when the timing of this counting matters is under Disarming Presence. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | These opinions are mine and http://www.math.sc.edu/~sjohnson | are subject to card text. Graphics Specialist and Jyhad Rulemonger. |

Michael Gerdau (ger...@ifm.uni-hamburg.de) wrote: : lsc...@crl.com (L. Scott Johnson) writes: : >Michael Gerdau <ger...@ifm.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: : >> : >>1. What is the definition of a 'Ready Vampire' ? : >> The rules seem to indicate that it is synonym to active, wether tapped : >> or not, but the errata especially the parts on Disarming Presence and : >> Domain Challenge hint at 'Ready is active and untapped'. : > : >Ready: Controlled and not in Torpor. (Tapped or not) : ..which to my understanding is what active means. Right ?! Almost correct. 11.1, Playing area: "A minion in the active region is said to be _ready_." Active defines an area of the table, ready defines the vampires in that region. : The errata on Disarming Presence says: : 'The Tapping is a side effect, not a cost, so tapped vampires : can still vote.[DTR]' : This seems to indicate that normally being tapped prevents you from : casting votes. It is a problem with the wording of DP, not with voting in general. People were asking if, since you had to tap to vote _when a DP was in play_, tapped vampires could vote at all, since couldn't be 'additionally tapped'. The answer is the errata above. : The errata on Domain Challenge says: : 'Tapped minions are counted after the vote is completed.[DTR]' : If you won't tap on casting votes then what is the difference in counting : tapped minions at the beginning versus at the end. : Remember: according to rule 12.3 the acting minion is tapped [immediately]. Similar song. People were wondering if the vampire used to call the Domain Challenge counted as a tapped vampire, since he wasn't tapped before the vote was called. The answer: count after the vote. (so the person playing it loses at least 1 pool...) I can see where, if you didn't see the questions that brought about these rulings, there might be confusion. Hope this clears it up. Shane H.W. Travis | Should we raise a generation of literate Americans, tra...@duke.usask.ca | very little of America as we know it would survive. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | --Richard Mitchell

In <42hvgk$c...@redwood.cs.sc.edu>, sjoh...@math.scarolina.edu (L. Scott Johnson) writes: >>>Voting does not normally tap. You need not be untapped to vote. You >>>(generally) should use all your vampires to vote. Disarming Presence would >>>be one reason not to, threat of Voter Captivation might be another. >>The errata on Disarming Presence says: >>'The Tapping is a side effect, not a cost, so tapped vampires >> can still vote.[DTR]' >>This seems to indicate that normally being tapped prevents you from >>casting votes. >What it is trying to indicate is that tapped vampires can still vote >as normal under a Disarming Presence referrendum. If tapping was made >a cost by Disarming Presence, this would not be the case. Disarming >Presence simply adds a side effect (becoming tapped) to voting. Just re-read DP. Should have done this before - wouldn't have made the above (obsolete :-)) remark. Thank you for responding. [ quoted text not captured ]

Michael Gerdau <ger...@ifm.uni-hamburg.de> wrote: >The errata on Disarming Presence says: >'The Tapping is a side effect, not a cost, so tapped vampires > can still vote.[DTR]' >This seems to indicate that normally being tapped prevents you from >casting votes. No, what this means is that the vampires affected by DP tap as a side effect of voting, not as a cost of voting. This means that an already-tapped vampire can vote, and simply ignores the side effect. >The errata on Domain Challenge says: >'Tapped minions are counted after the vote is completed.[DTR]' >If you won't tap on casting votes then what is the difference in counting >tapped minions at the beginning versus at the end. Well, for one thing, Disarming Presence can cause vampires to become tapped during a vote. But in general, vampires will be in the same tapped/untapped stole when the vote passes (or not) as they were when the vote process began. Tom Wylie rec.games.trading-cards.* Network Representative for aa...@cats.ucsc.edu Wizards of the Coast, Inc.

In article <42h1bn$9...@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>, ger...@ifm.uni-hamburg.de (Michael Gerdau) wrote: > Just recently there came up some questions which I couldn't find in the > errata or revised rules. > > 1. What is the definition of a 'Ready Vampire' ? > The rules seem to indicate that it is synonym to active, wether tapped > or not, but the errata especially the parts on Disarming Presence and > Domain Challenge hint at 'Ready is active and untapped'. Ready is active, tapped or no. Tapped vampires may vote, eg. > 2. Does voting tap a Primogen/Prince/Justicar ? Are tapped Vampires > allowed to vote ? [This also relates to question 1 since only ready > vamps may cast votes.] > If they don't tap and/or tapped vamps may vote I see no reason why I > should not use all my vamps during a vote. The only way voting taps a vampire is if a Disarming Presence is played on the vote. (Not sure, but I think tapped vampires can still vote even then.) > 3. Does playing a reaction card during a vote to gain additional votes tap > the reacting vampire ? Reaction cards do not, as a rule, tap a vampire. > 4. When using Effective Management to bring a Vamp from my crypt into my > uncontrolled region do I have to pay 1 pool ? > I'd say no, but you never know :-) Not unless the card says so. > 5. Are Vampires that contest titles still in play and are therefor able > to e.g. hunt or fight ? And can they be attacked ? > I'd say yes. Any comments ? A contested vampire is out of play, for good or ill, until the contest is broken. J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com> PGP keys by request Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian.

> 5. Are Vampires that contest titles still in play and are therefor able > to e.g. hunt or fight ? And can they be attacked ? > I'd say yes. Any comments ? Answering the actual question (as I failed to do last time :)) vampires contesting a title can do anything except use the title. (The same for unique equipment.) [ quoted text not captured ]

On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, J. Andrew Lipscomb wrote: > > 5. Are Vampires that contest titles still in play and are therefor able > > to e.g. hunt or fight ? And can they be attacked ? > > I'd say yes. Any comments ? > > Answering the actual question (as I failed to do last time :)) vampires > contesting a title can do anything except use the title. (The same for > unique equipment.) > Hi Andrew, Actually, are you sure about this? I just reread the rules and it wasn't clear.... Algustas *****"the 22 staff members I've made love to"***** Bob Packwood

A vampire contesting a title is free to act, react, and so forth. It just can't make use of the title while it's contested. If a minion has a card that becomes contested, such as a unique retainer, it also continues to function normally, and just can't use the contested card for the duration. [ quoted text not captured ]