The Reprint Situation

On Potomac Dist they have Sabbat War already listed as being available 2/15, but only the boosters. I hope this does not indicate that only the boosters will be reprinted. Can anyone ease my mind? I finally got my first Derange! And -- what's the big deal? So you make a Vampire into a Malk Antitribu. LD -- "The bittersweet Caress of a chill Eternity blazens my sword with dark flames of retribution." Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

>I finally got my first Derange! And -- what's the big deal? So you >make a Vampire into a Malk Antitribu. There are combos, but ignoring those, at superior, they slow decks down. Now, that doesn't sound so bad, but unlike a number of other cards which do much the same, it only goes away if you burn the vampire it's on, though having it on a torpored vamp who will never get much is close to getting rid of it - just lingers to annoy everyone except the owner who in all likelihood is completely immune. In far too many situations, it ends up being a lot like Sensory Dep. It's yet another encouragement to play weenies since you can afford to have those screwed with. Also, Cam titled vampires lose their titles when they go Sabbat. As many vote decks lack stealth or combat, it's often a pain to get it off of the, formerly, titled vamp.

On 02 Jan 2001 22:33:29 GMT, cur...@aol.com (Ian Lee) wrote: >>I finally got my first Derange! And -- what's the big deal? So you >>make a Vampire into a Malk Antitribu. > >There are combos, but ignoring those, at superior, they slow decks down. Actually that "combo" is one of the best tricks the !Mal can pull out of their hat. Get out some massive !Mal (say Hannibal), derange one of your prey's important minions, call Sacrifice with Hannibal, and Presto! - it's gone. Okay, vote dominance with !Mal might be a bit tricky, but anyhow... Regards Skaffen Chantry Elder Of Munich "Our hearts discern wild images of Death, Shadows and shoals that edge eternity."

On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 22:57:20 GMT, skaffen_...@my-deja.com (skaffen_amtiskaw) wrote: >On 02 Jan 2001 22:33:29 GMT, cur...@aol.com (Ian Lee) wrote: > >>>I finally got my first Derange! And -- what's the big deal? So you >>>make a Vampire into a Malk Antitribu. >> >>There are combos, but ignoring those, at superior, they slow decks down. > >Actually that "combo" is one of the best tricks the !Mal can pull out >of their hat. Get out some massive !Mal (say Hannibal), derange one of >your prey's important minions, call Sacrifice with Hannibal, and >Presto! - it's gone. Okay, vote dominance with !Mal might be a bit >tricky, but anyhow... ...superior Auspex permits use of Telepathic Vote Counting. With Hannibal and Korah out, that's 7 votes in favor, and you can usually cancel 2 or 3 votes, making it effectively 9-10 votes in favor. (If you can't cancel at least 2 votes, odds are you don't have trouble passing the vote with 7 in favor. =) -- Derek Goon-of-the-Month club member

Sickest deck using Derange "combos" I've seen so far burnt ANY vampire every turn. Derange with Yorik, and then Protect thine own with Leandro. BURN ANYONE on the table. Yeesh. To top it off the deck used Carlotta Giovanni to get back whatever card was needed for the "combo". However the deck was always the victim of table wrath. jds "skaffen_amtiskaw" <skaffen_...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:3a525bdc...@news.space.net... [ quoted text not captured ]

Everything remains on schedule for us to receive the Sabbat War reprint the middle of this month. I would expect it will be in retail stores world-wide by the very end of January. Vampire's relaunch has been successful due primarily to all of your efforts to let retailers know this game is in demand. Sabbat War's first printing sell-out (which green lighted Final Nights and a 3rd expansion) has all been due to everyone working with their retailers and getting each retailer excited about carrying the game. With a hoard of me-too Pokemon CCGs flooding the market, it remains as important as ever to win retailers over to Vampire - one retailer at a time. If you want more Sabbat War with this new printing, please once again call or visit your favorite game retailer(s) and let them know you want the product ordered. Placing pre-orders with your retailer is even better for them and better insures product availability for you. > > On Potomac Dist they have Sabbat War already listed as being available > 2/15, but only the boosters. I hope this does not indicate that only > the boosters will be reprinted. Can anyone ease my mind? Both Starters and Boosters are being printed. 2/15 is late, I imagine Potomac will revise this date soon. Thanks All, Steve Wieck White Wolf

>>>> I finally got my first Derange! And -- what's the big deal? >>>> So you make a Vampire into a Malk Antitribu. >>> >>> There are combos, but ignoring those, at superior, they slow >>> decks down. >> >> Actually that "combo" is one of the best tricks the !Mal can pull >> out of their hat. Get out some massive !Mal (say Hannibal), derange >> one of your prey's important minions, call Sacrifice with Hannibal, >> and Presto! - it's gone. Okay, vote dominance with !Mal might be a >> bit tricky, but anyhow... > > ...superior Auspex permits use of Telepathic Vote Counting. > > With Hannibal and Korah out, that's 7 votes in favor, and you can > usually cancel 2 or 3 votes, making it effectively 9-10 votes in > favor. (If you can't cancel at least 2 votes, odds are you don't have > trouble passing the vote with 7 in favor. =) Well, you can only cancel one vampire's votes with TVC. But if you put Derange on a titled Camarilla vampire, they don't get any votes either. FWIW, I finally managed to acquire 11 copies of Derange, so I finally built the Derange/Sacrifice deck. It's a lot of fun and makes your prey very unhappy. A caveat, however, is that part of the deck design does require some combat and bleed defense as it isn't the fastest deck in the world and you have to use a 8+ cap vampire to call the Sacrifice. Regards, Noal -- "I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species, of pure sons of bitches." --Faulkner, "The Mansion" [ quoted text not captured ]

> sell-out (which green lighted Final Nights and a 3rd expansion) has all been 3rd Expansion? Can we perhaps have a name, tentative or solid? Where can we apply for playtesting? [ quoted text not captured ]

> > FWIW, I finally managed to acquire 11 copies of Derange, so I finally > built the Derange/Sacrifice deck. It's a lot of fun and makes your prey > very unhappy. A caveat, however, is that part of the deck design does > require some combat and bleed defense as it isn't the fastest deck in > the world and you have to use a 8+ cap vampire to call the Sacrifice. > > Regards, > Noal Well, whadda waiting for? Post it! (So I can see if I havta peddle off my first born for 10 more Deranges...) Now that I finally got my 1st derange, does anyone have a Sabbat version Mind Rape for sell or trade? And Direct Intervention? LD -- "The bittersweet Caress of a chill Eternity blazens my sword with dark flames of retribution." [ quoted text not captured ]

Lord Darksword <lord_dar...@my-deja.com> wrote: > Well, whadda waiting for? Post it! (So I can see if I havta peddle > off my first born for 10 more Deranges...) Well, it hasn't been entirely tweaked yet. It's only in its second version right now. For that, and other reasons, it'll probably be June before I can post it. > Now that I finally got my 1st derange, does anyone have a Sabbat > version Mind Rape for sell or trade? And Direct Intervention? Not sure how many Mind Rape cards I have, but I might be able to trade for Betrayer cards. I'm on a kick to do bad things with Uriah Winter again. If you like, e-mail me at dhar...@yahoo.com Regards, Noal -- "I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species, of pure sons of bitches." --Faulkner, "The Mansion" [ quoted text not captured ]

> From: Lord Darksword <lord_dar...@my-deja.com> > > 3rd Expansion? Can we perhaps have a name, tentative or solid? Where > can we apply for playtesting? > > LD We're not announcing anything on the 3rd expansion yet.

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Ok, I'm mathematically inept, and I don't get where the 3rd expansion comes from. The only thing I can think of is that Dark Sovereigns was 1st, and Ancient Hears is 2nd....meaning that 3rd expansion is Camarilla specific? Then that would mean that "Final Nights" is Sabbat related? thanks, [ quoted text not captured ]

Dustin Cote wrote: > > Ok, I'm mathematically inept, and I don't get where the 3rd expansion > comes from. Not necessarily inept, just missing some info perhaps. Steve was talking about White Wolf produced expansions. Sabbat War was expansion #1, Final Nights is #2, and then a 3rd one is I guess green-lighted, but no concrete details have been forthcoming. Sabbat War was actually the 4th expansion, Final Nights will be the 5th, and soforth... Does that clear up at all? > > The only thing I can think of is that Dark Sovereigns was 1st, and > Ancient Hears is 2nd....meaning that 3rd expansion is Camarilla > specific? > > Then that would mean that "Final Nights" is Sabbat related? > Final Nights is Independent Clans related - 4 clans that can really use some beefing up (FoS, Ass, Gio, and Rav). [snip Steve's article] -- chris <www.vtesinla.org> (A V:TES site in development) ultimate disc - V:TES - hockey v:ekn prince of torrance, ca

>Ok, I'm mathematically inept, and I don't get where the 3rd expansion >comes from. > >The only thing I can think of is that Dark Sovereigns was 1st, and >Ancient Hears is 2nd....meaning that 3rd expansion is Camarilla >specific? > >Then that would mean that "Final Nights" is Sabbat related? ??? I'll try to explain the history the best that I can. This may be a bit extraneous but... Originally there was Jyhad (the first, "Limited" edition). I *think* VTES next came out (not completely sure on this one). What they basically did was pull a few cards out, add a few new cards in, try to make the rules clearly, etc. and also change the backs of the cards. (VTES is kind of like a 2nd Edition and is called "Unlimited," though it is much scarcer than the overproduced Jyhad). Thus Jyhad and VTES (focusing solely only Camarilla) are more or less the base set. The first expansion was Dark Sovereigns (which "focused" on the Independent Giovannia and Ravnos, though there were plenty of Cam stuff). The second expansion was Ancient Hearts (similar to DS but "focusing" on Assamites and Followers of Set). The next thing was the Sabbat which was a stand-alone expansion (which means you could play decks that were exclusively Sabbat). Sabbat was the last thing printed by WotC and happened many years ago. Since all that stuff happened so long ago, Sabbat War is the first "new" expansion (but 4th expansion overall), focusing on the Sabbat clans. (Thus we already have something Sabbat related). Because SW did so well, a second "new" expansion (5th expansion overall) called Final Nights has been confirmed. Final Nights is NOT Sabbat related -- it's supposed to boost the Independents. So what Mr. Wieck is saying is that b/c SW did so well, a 3rd "new" expansion (making it the 6th overall expansion) has been green-lighted, though we don't know anything about it. It makes sense for it to do something with the Camarilla (for the sake of the new players), but it's anyone's guess. Halcyan 2

Thanks Chris & Halcyan, I've been out of Jyhad for a while (due to moving away from player-friends...etc) and due to the insane cost of SABBAT cards. ($250 for a booster box on ebay) Of course with the release and rerelease of SABBAT WARS, I'm able to start sliding into it again. "Final Nights" is the one I didn't know about. Is there any more information (fan site, etc) about it. Or is the "boost the Independents" all we got? (how big is it, release date, etc). I'm a fan of White Wolf's, but their web site isn't really an endless tome of info, unfortunately. Well, today is the 12th, so I'll be checking with my local card shop to see if they've got SABBAT WAR Y2K1 cards in. Probably not though, since those guys might not even wake up and open the store by 3 p.m.. But I'm driving into Indy tomorrow and will be able to check another place. Thanks, Rader [ quoted text not captured ]

Dustin Cote <dusti...@home.com> wrote: > Of course with the release and rerelease of SABBAT WARS, I'm able to > start sliding into it again. "Final Nights" is the one I didn't know > about. Is there any more information (fan site, etc) about it. Or is > the "boost the Independents" all we got? (how big is it, release date, > etc). About 150 new cards. Early June. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

>I've been out of Jyhad for a while (due to moving away from >player-friends...etc) and due to the insane cost of SABBAT cards. >($250 for a booster box on ebay) That's okay. To be honest, I haven't played an actual game of Jyhad for hmm...let's see...probably 5-6 years. (Though my interest was rekindled 2 years ago, I STILL haven't found a real playgroup). >Of course with the release and rerelease of SABBAT WARS, I'm able to >start sliding into it again. "Final Nights" is the one I didn't know >about. Is there any more information (fan site, etc) about it. Or is >the "boost the Independents" all we got? (how big is it, release date, >etc). From an older article on Final Nights, there's this address from the Lasombra's site: http://members.tripod.com/~Lasombra/final_nights.htm It says a minimum of 120 new cards and was going for an April/May release. Periodically there have been some updates and revisions. Could be wrong but I think last time this was up to 120-150 new cards and either a June or July release. And I think they decided to do pre-constructed starters in the end. You'll probably want to look around on the message board and find Mr. Wieck's various messages. Halcyan 2

Well, thanks for everyone's input. Very good to hear. I'm replying to my post because I wanted to update my story from today. I DID call my local comic book store today to see if they were getting in Sabbat War 2nd printing. He said he didn't know anything about a 2nd print run. However, strangely enough...it turns out that JUST yesterday, they found a hidden box of the 1st printing of Sabbat War behind their shelf. Needless to say, I quickly ran down there and bought it. They had just put it back on the shelf yesterday. What an odd find. Too bad it wasn't a hidden box of "Sabbat" instead of "Sabbat War". Oh well...can't be too wishful. I find it funny, though, that my g/f hunted everywhere to score a just 10 packs for a Christmas present for me, and here I find a lost full box...but the day 2nd printing was suppose to show up and satiate our thirst.... Dustin On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 12:52:57 GMT, Dustin Cote <dusti...@home.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ]

> However, strangely enough...it turns out that JUST yesterday, they > found a hidden box of the 1st printing of Sabbat War behind their > shelf. Needless to say, I quickly ran down there and bought it. They > had just put it back on the shelf yesterday. What an odd find. Too Amazing how that seems to happen. I've encountered that 'lost and found' syndrome myself. LD -- "The bittersweet Caress of a chill Eternity blazens my sword with dark flames of retribution." [ quoted text not captured ]

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