Science Fiction Age magazine this month has WOTC ads
featuring art from Jyhad and The Dark (plus Magic and
Legends). Unlike the preview in the Duellist's Supplement,
there is no text on any of the cards, just artwork, and
artist credits.
In article <1994Jul12.141729.27535@tin.monsanto.com>, Joel Finkle <jjfink@skcla.monsanto.com> writes:
|> Science Fiction Age magazine this month has WOTC ads
|> featuring art from Jyhad and The Dark (plus Magic and
|> Legends). Unlike the preview in the Duellist's Supplement,
|> there is no text on any of the cards, just artwork, and
|> artist credits.
The same ads can be found in the August Games magazine. A much cooler magazine,
in my opinion. Games also has a review of Magic, which is very favorable.
TM.
Saw Dark & Jyhad at Origins. Both look nice. If I wasn't rep'ing
for Steve Jackson Games & running the Car Wars World Champs., I'd 've
scrwled down some more data.
A quick note for Jyhad -- Justicars KICK UNDEAD ASS!!
Best,
-CS
In article <3010jc$ns9@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
The Mist <ammist@athena.mit.edu> wrote:
>The same ads can be found in the August Games magazine. A much cooler
>magazine,
>in my opinion. Games also has a review of Magic, which is very favorable.
I agree with all of this. The only problem I see is the same
misinformation about production numbers that was given out to
newspapers more than a month earlier (either that, or all the
well-accepted data on the net is wrong). It says more than 200
million cards have been sold, and the number is likely to reach
a billion by the end of the year.
These production numbers have been bothering me for a while, and
I can't find a way to reconcile them.
Now, 10M limited + 40M unlimited + 5M AN + 15M AQ + 35M Legends = 105M,
so only if there have already been 95M revised cards sold can there be
200M already sold (and the same figures were published in newspaper
stories around the country back before Legends came out). WotC reps
have said there would be roughly 150M cards in the revised printing,
and this probably means 150M before the next revision (supposedly,
the plates will not be updated until September) so it is unlikely that
that many have already been sold (maybe they mean "sold to distributors,"
including those cards that haven't even been shipped yet?)
Anyway, the dark will have another 65M cards, and fallen empires will
have who-knows-how-much (let's say 100M). There will also be the next
revised printing, with who-knows-how-many cards (say 500M, at the rate
the game seems to be growing) -- maybe half those will be sold by the
end of the year, which would make a grand total of 670M by the end of
the year.
In article <30bpis$ril@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> umvanuyt@cc.umanitoba.ca
(Jan Erik Van Uytven) writes:
>Hmmm...If we took all the Magic cards that so far have been printed, and
>tossed them in a pile, how large a mountain would that make?
...and how much could you tap it for, if you could tap it?
--
J Greely (jgreely@synopsys.com)
In <30a2ev$pkm@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> jwd@schoch.che.utexas.edu (J. W. DeVincentis) writes:
>Anyway, the dark will have another 65M cards, and fallen empires will
>have who-knows-how-much (let's say 100M). There will also be the next
>revised printing, with who-knows-how-many cards (say 500M, at the rate
>the game seems to be growing) -- maybe half those will be sold by the
>end of the year, which would make a grand total of 670M by the end of
>the year.
Hmmm...If we took all the Magic cards that so far have been printed, and
tossed them in a pile, how large a mountain would that make?
-Mnementh
In article <30bpis$ril@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca>,
Jan Erik Van Uytven <umvanuyt@cc.umanitoba.ca> wrote:
>jwd@schoch.che.utexas.edu (J. W. DeVincentis) writes:>>Anyway, the dark will have another 65M cards, and fallen empires will
>>have who-knows-how-much (let's say 100M). There will also be the next
>>revised printing, with who-knows-how-many cards (say 500M, at the rate
>>the game seems to be growing) -- maybe half those will be sold by the
>>end of the year, which would make a grand total of 670M by the end of
>>the year.>Hmmm...If we took all the Magic cards that so far have been printed, and
>tossed them in a pile, how large a mountain would that make?
Well, if we stack them in neat piles, given that the 60 cards in a starter
deck (after the rulebook is removed) are about 3/4 inch thick, 2.5 inches
wide and 3.5 inches long, 9 cards roughly fill 1 cubic inch. If we're
using the 200M figure claimed to be already sold, that's 12860 cubic feet,
or a cube 23 feet on an edge. (or a pyramid-shape 19 feet tall, with a
45-foot square base)
If we have a billion cards to work with, the volume is 64300 cubic feet,
and our mountain could be 34 feet tall, with a 75-foot square base.
Now, since we probably don't have the patience to stack all those cards
neatly, and we assume they were just dumped in a big pile, the volume
increases a lot. It's possible that our mountain is more like
60 feet tall, and 150 feet across the base.
jwd@schoch.che.utexas.edu (J. W. DeVincentis) writes:
>>Hmmm...If we took all the Magic cards that so far have been printed, and
>>tossed them in a pile, how large a mountain would that make?>Well, if we stack them in neat piles, given that the 60 cards in a starter
>deck (after the rulebook is removed) are about 3/4 inch thick, 2.5 inches
>wide and 3.5 inches long, 9 cards roughly fill 1 cubic inch. If we're
>using the 200M figure claimed to be already sold, that's 12860 cubic feet,
>or a cube 23 feet on an edge. (or a pyramid-shape 19 feet tall, with a
>45-foot square base)
>If we have a billion cards to work with, the volume is 64300 cubic feet,
>and our mountain could be 34 feet tall, with a 75-foot square base.
>Now, since we probably don't have the patience to stack all those cards
>neatly, and we assume they were just dumped in a big pile, the volume
>increases a lot. It's possible that our mountain is more like
>60 feet tall, and 150 feet across the base.
Well now, are we assuming a frictionless environment here? Standard
practice for such a theoretical problem. Also, we'll need to measure the
deformation equation for the cards, as well as expansion due to the obvious
heat generated by all the pasty-faced Magic fiends who would immediately
decend upon such a mountain in a number rivaled only by the masses who
flocked to Devil's Tower in Close Encounters (was that the name of that film?)
Finally...WILL SLEEVES BE ALLOWED ON CARDS IN THE MOUNTAIN?!?
Rob Greanias
greanias@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
J. W. DeVincentis <jwd@schoch.che.utexas.edu> wrote:
>I agree with all of this. The only problem I see is the same
>misinformation about production numbers that was given out to
>newspapers more than a month earlier (either that, or all the
>well-accepted data on the net is wrong). It says more than 200
>million cards have been sold, and the number is likely to reach
>a billion by the end of the year.
There were 220 million Magic cards sold as of the end of June.
>Now, 10M limited + 40M unlimited + 5M AN + 15M AQ + 35M Legends = 105M,
>so only if there have already been 95M revised cards sold can there be
>200M already sold (and the same figures were published in newspaper
>stories around the country back before Legends came out). WotC reps
>have said there would be roughly 150M cards in the revised printing,
>and this probably means 150M before the next revision...
Well, it would certainly have meant 150M by some point, not "150M forever".
>the plates will not be updated until September) so it is unlikely that
>that many have already been sold (maybe they mean "sold to distributors,"
>including those cards that haven't even been shipped yet?)
The 220 million figure included cards that had been ordered but not yet
shipped.
>Anyway, the dark will have another 65M cards, and fallen empires will
>have who-knows-how-much (let's say 100M). There will also be the next
>revised printing, with who-knows-how-many cards (say 500M, at the rate
>the game seems to be growing) -- maybe half those will be sold by the
>end of the year, which would make a grand total of 670M by the end of
>the year.
Well, for all you or I know (I haven't asked), the 1 billion number is
correct, and your guesstimate of the number of Gathering cards to be prevented
after August is more like 800 million. Given that Magic is going to be
mass marketed at some point, this wouldn't particularly surprise me.
Tom Wylie rec.games.deckmaster Network Representative for
aahz@hal.com Wizards of the Coast, Inc.
In <30d70u$9ok@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> jwd@schoch.che.utexas.edu (J. W. DeVincentis) writes:
>If we have a billion cards to work with, the volume is 64300 cubic feet,
>and our mountain could be 34 feet tall, with a 75-foot square base.
>Now, since we probably don't have the patience to stack all those cards
>neatly, and we assume they were just dumped in a big pile, the volume
>increases a lot. It's possible that our mountain is more like
>60 feet tall, and 150 feet across the base.
Okay, if every mana producer ever printed were tapped, how big
would the fireball be?
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David Schwartz (david@schwartz.manawatu.gen.nz) wrote:
: In <30d70u$9ok@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> jwd@schoch.che.utexas.edu (J. W. DeVincentis) writes:
: >If we have a billion cards to work with, the volume is 64300 cubic feet,
: >and our mountain could be 34 feet tall, with a 75-foot square base.
: >Now, since we probably don't have the patience to stack all those cards
: >neatly, and we assume they were just dumped in a big pile, the volume
: >increases a lot. It's possible that our mountain is more like
: >60 feet tall, and 150 feet across the base.: Okay, if every mana producer ever printed were tapped, how big
: would the fireball be?: --
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