Question re: forced withdrawal

This may have been covered already, but I've only started hanging out around this group recently. How does the forced withdrawal (from the Sabbat rules) work, exactly? As I understand it, and as my friends and I play it, to withdraw (as outlined in the basic game), you have to go one complete round (from your untap phase to your next untap phase) without losing any pool and without your minions getting into combat. If you succeed, you get a victory point for basically ousting yourself, and your predator gets nothing as a result of your leaving the game. Now, if you're forced to withdraw as a result of running out of cards, does that mean you have to just sit there and take whatever punishment your predator or anyone else feels like dishing out on you, all the time saying "I've gotta withdrawal," not blocking anything, until your predator kills you off and gets his victory point? (Since he's obviously not going to sit there and say "Oh, you're out of cards. I guess I'll let you withdraw and take the point that I should be getting, rather than attacking you.") That seems rather stupid to me, if that is the case. If someone could clear this up, I'd appreciate it. Andy Kaiser -- ------------------------------------------------- #include <stdsig.h> struct sig_info { char* name = "Andy Kaiser"; char* title = "Phoenix System Administrator"; char* e_mail = "gka...@phoenix.lhup.edu"; char* address_1 = "213B North Hall"; char* address_2 = "Lock Haven University"; char* city_st_zip = "Lock Haven, PA 17745"; }; -------------------------------------------------

Andy Kaiser wrote: > > This may have been covered already, but I've only started hanging out > around this group recently. How does the forced withdrawal (from the > Sabbat rules) work, exactly? As I understand it, and as my friends > and I play it, to withdraw (as outlined in the basic game), you > have to go one complete round (from your untap phase to your next > untap phase) without losing any pool and without your minions getting > into combat. If you succeed, you get a victory point for basically > ousting yourself, and your predator gets nothing as a result of your > leaving the game. Correct. > Now, if you're forced to withdraw as a result of > running out of cards, does that mean you have to just sit there and > take whatever punishment your predator or anyone else feels like > dishing out on you, all the time saying "I've gotta withdrawal," not > blocking anything, until your predator kills you off and gets his > victory point? No. Under the Sabbat Withdrawal rule, you simply withdraw. Immediately. You start your turn with fewer cards in your hand than your hand capacity due to have exhausted your library, and that's it - you successfully withdraw. Pick up all your cards and sit back. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) wrote: : No. Under the Sabbat Withdrawal rule, you simply withdraw. : Immediately. : You start your turn with fewer cards in your hand than your hand : capacity : due to have exhausted your library, and that's it - you successfully : withdraw. Pick up all your cards and sit back. Actually, according to the Sabbat rules sheet, you do not pick up all your cards and go home. This is (to my mind) another strike against the Sabbat withdrawal rule - it breaks the rule that, whenever a Methuselah leaves the game, all his/her cards go with them. According to the Sabbat withdrawal method, any cards the withdrawing Meth has that are still in play on other people's sides remain in play until the game ends. Josh ..bitter, bitter, bitter..

[ quoted text not captured ] Oop. Right. Make that "just pick up all the cards in front of you (all the cards you currently control) and sit back." [ quoted text not captured ]

On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, L. Scott Johnson wrote: > No. Under the Sabbat Withdrawal rule, you simply withdraw. > Immediately. > You start your turn with fewer cards in your hand than your hand > capacity > due to have exhausted your library, and that's it - you successfully > withdraw. Pick up all your cards and sit back. Actually, doesn't the Sabbat rule say that your cards stay in play if they're not currently controlled by you? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ryan Anderson - <Pug Majere> "Who knows, even the horse might sing" rand...@ece.eng.wayne.edu "May you live in interesting times" PGP Fingerprint - 7E 8E C6 54 96 AC D9 57 E4 F8 AE 9C 10 7E 78 C9 finger rand...@ece.eng.wayne.edu for my public key. -----------------------------------------------------------------------