Blood Rage/Bomb ? for JOL

If a vampire equipped with a bomb uses it in combat and the opposing minion uses Blood Rage is the bomb destroyed? Does the minion weilding the bomb take damage from the bomb? Or is all damage prevented? You can either post an answer here or email me at pgh...@city-net.com This answer is needed for Jyhad On-Line Game 15. Randy.

pgh...@city-net.com writes: >If a vampire equipped with a bomb uses it in combat and the opposing >minion uses Blood Rage is the bomb destroyed? Does the minion weilding the >bomb take damage from the bomb? Or is all damage prevented? By card text, the weapon (bomb) deals no damage, so neither minion would be harmed by the bomb. The bomb would still have been used, so would be burned. I would guess that Blood Rage should've been written more like a Dodge with respect to handling strikes - that is, only negating the strike's effect on the Blood Rage striker *or* like S:CE - that is, negating the opposing weapon strike altogther. But, since it is not (and has no errata), no one is injured by the blast, although the bomb is still burned. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Hard work has a future payoff. http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | Laziness pays off now. Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. |

[ quoted text not captured ] I've heard it said that the bomb is only burnt if the action or strike is successful. That being the case I've also read that if you dodge or strike combat ends a bomb, or attempt to burn a location and fail, the bomb is NOT burned. Any thoughts ????

Karl Innes <in...@infomatch.com> writes: >L. Scott Johnson wrote: >> pgh...@city-net.com writes: >> >If a vampire equipped with a bomb uses it in combat and the opposing >> >minion uses Blood Rage is the bomb destroyed? Does the minion weilding the >> >bomb take damage from the bomb? Or is all damage prevented? >> >> By card text, the weapon (bomb) deals no damage, so neither minion would >> be harmed by the bomb. The bomb would still have been used, so would be >> burned. >> > I've heard it said that the bomb is only burnt if the action or >strike is successful. That being the case I've also read that if you >dodge or strike combat ends a bomb, or attempt to burn a location and >fail, the bomb is NOT burned. Any thoughts ???? Close. It is only burned if the action is successful or if the strike resolves. In the case of an opposing Strike: Combat Ends, the bomb strike won't resolve, so the bomb isn't burned. In the case of an opposing Dodge (or Blood Ire), then the bomb strike resolves but does no damage. In this case, the bomb is still burned. Note: the FAQ in Darkness Unleashed :-) incorrectly uses "Dodge" as an example when it means "Strike: Combat Ends". This has been errata'ed by Tom Wylie (although the FAQ on the Web page is still incorrect in the same way). [ quoted text not captured ]

Karl Innes (in...@infomatch.com) wrote: : L. Scott Johnson wrote: : > : > pgh...@city-net.com writes: : > >If a vampire equipped with a bomb uses it in combat and the opposing : > >minion uses Blood Rage is the bomb destroyed? Does the minion weilding the : > >bomb take damage from the bomb? Or is all damage prevented? : > : > By card text, the weapon (bomb) deals no damage, so neither minion would : > be harmed by the bomb. The bomb would still have been used, so would be : > burned. : > : > I would guess that Blood Rage should've been written more like a Dodge : > with respect to handling strikes - that is, only negating the strike's : > effect on the Blood Rage striker *or* like S:CE - that is, negating the : > opposing weapon strike altogther. : > : I've heard it said that the bomb is only burnt if the action or : strike is successful. That being the case I've also read that if you : dodge or strike combat ends a bomb, or attempt to burn a location and : fail, the bomb is NOT burned. Any thoughts ???? It seems to me that, in the case of blood rage, the use of the bomb as a strike is negated, just as if a gun were being used. The minion striking with the weapon (bomb or otherwise) does not get to strike at all, so the bomb is not burnt. Wallpaper Paste for all those useless cards

dc...@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Dave Green) writes: >Karl Innes (in...@infomatch.com) wrote: >: L. Scott Johnson wrote: >: > pgh...@city-net.com writes: >: > >If a vampire equipped with a bomb uses it in combat and the opposing >: > >minion uses Blood Rage is the bomb destroyed? Does the minion weilding the >: > >bomb take damage from the bomb? Or is all damage prevented? >: > >: > By card text, the weapon (bomb) deals no damage, so neither minion would >: > be harmed by the bomb. The bomb would still have been used, so would be >: > burned. >: > >: > I would guess that Blood Rage should've been written more like a Dodge >: > with respect to handling strikes - that is, only negating the strike's >: > effect on the Blood Rage striker *or* like S:CE - that is, negating the >: > opposing weapon strike altogther. >: > >: I've heard it said that the bomb is only burnt if the action or >: strike is successful. That being the case I've also read that if you >: dodge or strike combat ends a bomb, or attempt to burn a location and >: fail, the bomb is NOT burned. Any thoughts ???? It (the bomb) is burned only if the action (to burn a location) is successful, or the strike resolves (inflicting damage or not). So, blocking the burn location action would keep the bomb from being burned. Also, S:CE would keep the bomb strike from resolving, and therefore keep the bomb from being burned. Dodge only negates the effect of a strike on the dodging minion and/or his equipment. Dodge does not prevent the other strike from resolving. Therefore the Bomber takes the 5 damage and the bomb is burned. >It seems to me that, in the case of blood rage, the use of the >bomb as a strike is negated, just as if a gun were being used. The use is not negated. Blood Rage/Fury only negates the "damage done" by the weapon - not any other effects (like paralyzation or self-burning). [Card Text]. >The minion striking with the weapon (bomb or otherwise) does >not get to strike at all, so the bomb is not burnt. He still gets to strike, and the strike still resolves. Only the damage (if any) from the strike is nullified. -- L. Scott Johnson (sjoh...@math.sc.edu) | Cats teach us that not http://www.math.sc.edu/cgi-bin/sjohnson/home | everything in nature has Graphics Specialist and V:tES Rulemonger. | a function.