Soar art becomes Patrol art

I just noticed that the LoB Patrol card has the same art of the Bloodlines Soar. Playing with both cards in the same deck often is very confusing.

...aside from the completely different card layouts? :-) IIRC, Bloodlines' Patrol and Soar "incorrectly" have each other's illustration, a la Parnassus and Melek.

Mike Perlman wrote: > ....aside from the completely different card layouts? :-) > > IIRC, Bloodlines' Patrol and Soar "incorrectly" have each other's > illustration, a la Parnassus and Melek. ? No. The BL versions of Patrol and Soar had their proper respective art. -- That is my story, be it bitter or be it sweet. Keep a little and let a little come back to me. LSJ (vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep (remove spam trap to reply) http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

LSJ wrote: > Mike Perlman wrote: > > > ....aside from the completely different card layouts? :-) > > > > IIRC, Bloodlines' Patrol and Soar "incorrectly" have each other's > > illustration, a la Parnassus and Melek. > ? > No. The BL versions of Patrol and Soar had their proper respective art. Going further: "a la Parnassus and Melek"? That is new to me. Parnassus' art seems so appropriate for a +1 strength vampire, specially in comparison to Melek... But maybe that's what caused the swap in first place, if this info is correct. Fabio "Sooner" Macedo

[ quoted text not captured ] IIRC, I think Mike is referring to the fact that Steve Ellis' piece Soar, was originally titled Patrol. Whether that may have been his personal title for the piece or whether there was a mixup is unknown however. David & Robyn, who own that piece may be able to clarify more.

[ quoted text not captured ] There did seem to be a mix-up at some point. The story goes... Todd Banister was so in love with Parnassus that he labored desperately to acquire the original artwork. He contacted L.A. Williams multiple times yet Mr. Williams was unable to find any piece in his collection entitled "Parnassus." At some point, some other Atlantean (either Mike Perlman or one of the Tatus) actually managed to find the Parnassus piece among Mr. William's pieces. The reason Mr. Williams had not been able to find the piece originally was because it was entitled "Melek" not "Parnassus." Hence it was pieced together that the artwork for Melek and Parnassus must have been accidentally swapped at some point.

Halcyan 2 wrote: > LSJ wrote: >>No. The BL versions of Patrol and Soar had their proper respective art. >> > IIRC, I think Mike is referring to the fact that Steve Ellis' piece > Soar, was originally titled Patrol. Whether that may have been his > personal title for the piece or whether there was a mixup is unknown > however. David & Robyn, who own that piece may be able to clarify more. No mix up. When the art came it, it was judged that the pieces named "Soar" and "Patrol", although they matched the art notes given to the artists perfectly, each invoked the other's concept better. So they were purposefully exchanged before ever being released under any name. [ quoted text not captured ]

What about Wake with Evening's Freshness and Forced Awakening? The art always struck me as being a switcheroo..

[ quoted text not captured ] What about Wake with Evening's Freshness and Forced Awakening? The art on those always struck me as being a switcheroo.

perception_a...@yahoo.com wrote: > What about Wake with Evening's Freshness and Forced Awakening? The art > on those always struck me as being a switcheroo. Nope. Wake has the same art it always has. Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6 "So in conclusion, our business plan is to sell hot, easily spilled liquids to naked people." -Brittni Meil

"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message news:jTChf.5125$N45....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Halcyan 2 wrote: >> LSJ wrote: >>>No. The BL versions of Patrol and Soar had their proper respective art. >>> >> IIRC, I think Mike is referring to the fact that Steve Ellis' piece >> Soar, was originally titled Patrol. Whether that may have been his >> personal title for the piece or whether there was a mixup is unknown >> however. David & Robyn, who own that piece may be able to clarify more. > > No mix up. When the art came it, it was judged that the pieces named > "Soar" and "Patrol", although they matched the art notes given to the artists > perfectly, each invoked the other's concept better. So they were purposefully > exchanged before ever being released under any name. Oh, man! I hope WW doesn't do this often! "Not at all" might have been better. (Thought for the day. CCG gamers banging their heads on tables repeatedly might be beautiful. But I ask you: is it art?) Fred

<perception_a...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1132929126.4...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > LSJ wrote: >> No mix up. When the art came it, it was judged that the pieces named >> "Soar" and "Patrol", although they matched the art notes given to the artists >> perfectly, each invoked the other's concept better. So they were purposefully >> exchanged before ever being released under any name. > > What about Wake with Evening's Freshness and Forced Awakening? The art > on those always struck me as being a switcheroo. DON'T encourage them. }:-{ Fred

Fred Scott wrote: > "LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message >>No mix up. When the art came it, it was judged that the pieces named >>"Soar" and "Patrol", although they matched the art notes given to the artists >>perfectly, each invoked the other's concept better. So they were purposefully >>exchanged before ever being released under any name. > > Oh, man! I hope WW doesn't do this often! "Not at all" might have been > better. Doesn't do what? I think you've misread what I wrote. The artwork was not purposefully exchanged for LoB. It was purposefully exchanged in BL -- that is, for the first printing (in which case, it isn't an exchange at all, except in terms of what the artists had named their pieces of artwork and what the card names were that displayed the art). The reprints in LoB should have had the same artwork that the original cards had had in Bloodlines. The switch in LoB was not purposeful. It was a mistake. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message news:n3Ghf.3423$aA2....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > I think you've misread what I wrote. ... > The reprints in LoB should have had the same artwork that the original > cards had had in Bloodlines. The switch in LoB was not purposeful. It > was a mistake. OK, sorry. That was a bit difficult to pick out from the context. Anyway, I'm sure glad WW didn't do the switch back on purpose. Fred

Fred Scott wrote: > "LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message > news:n3Ghf.3423$aA2....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > >>I think you've misread what I wrote. > > .... > >>The reprints in LoB should have had the same artwork that the original >>cards had had in Bloodlines. The switch in LoB was not purposeful. It >>was a mistake. > > > OK, sorry. That was a bit difficult to pick out from the context. ? The context at that point was art that had been commissioned for one card but wound up being printed on a different card (per Eric's raising of that issue). I was just following along with that context. > Anyway, I'm sure glad WW didn't do the switch back on purpose. Quite right. [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message news:eWIhf.5458$wf....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Fred Scott wrote: > >> "LSJ" <vtesr...@TRAPwhite-wolf.com> wrote in message >> news:n3Ghf.3423$aA2....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... >> >>>I think you've misread what I wrote. >> .... >> OK, sorry. That was a bit difficult to pick out from the context. > > ? > The context at that point was art that had been commissioned for > one card but wound up being printed on a different card (per Eric's > raising of that issue). I was just following along with that context. Right. But I only read your post with quoted context. What was not spoken was _when_ that decision had been made. Turns out - when I look back through the thread a bit, that you both were discussing something that happened during the Bloodlines release. Nothing in your post made it extremely clear you weren't talking about something that happened in the Legacies released so I ASS-umed and the rest is history. Sorry, it's just hard to resist jumping in without reading back far enough. Fred

"Peter D Bakija" <pd...@lightlink.com> wrote in message news:BFAC9252.238D7%pd...@lightlink.com... > perception_a...@yahoo.com wrote: > >> What about Wake with Evening's Freshness and Forced Awakening? The art >> on those always struck me as being a switcheroo. > > Nope. Wake has the same art it always has. However... IIRC, Wake with Evening's Freshness in the RPG is a Thaumaturgy ritual, so it is possible that the WWEF card may have been a THA card at some point in the original playtesting. Imagine how different the game would have been if only the Tremere had access to wakes! Cheers, WES

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005, Wes wrote: > However... IIRC, Wake with Evening's Freshness in the RPG is a Thaumaturgy > ritual, so it is possible that the WWEF card may have been a THA card at > some point in the original playtesting. > It's a Thaumaturgy ritual that lets you act during the day IIRC, which means if it required THA, it would probably only help you block allies. As it stands, its chief use is to block vampires, which means your blocking vampire should be able to react if he wakes up quickly, i.e. with Evening's Freshness. -- - Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

perception_alters_real...@yahoo.com wrote: > What about Wake with Evening's Freshness and Forced Awakening? The art > always struck me as being a switcheroo.. Unlikely, since Wake was printed in Jyhad and Forced Awakening was printed several years later in Sabbat. IMHO, the likely scenario if as follows: the art director did not like the original version of Wake with Evening's Freshness (most likely done by Jeff Menges) and at the last minute, had Randy Gallegos do a version, which ended up being the one used.

Fred Scott wrote: > > No mix up. When the art came it, it was judged that the pieces named > > "Soar" and "Patrol", although they matched the art notes given to the artists > > perfectly, each invoked the other's concept better. So they were purposefully > > exchanged before ever being released under any name. > > Oh, man! I hope WW doesn't do this often! "Not at all" might have been > better. > > (Thought for the day. CCG gamers banging their heads on tables repeatedly > might be beautiful. But I ask you: is it art?) Well, if you really like these stories... Back when Wizards was still printing VTES, for Dark Sovereigns, the artwork for Rutor's Hand was originally intended for Tremere Convocation. But apparently they felt that it didn't fit their conception of a Tremere Convocation and created a different card for it.