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This may seem stupid, but I do know of several other players that are affected by this and at least one that was affected monetarily. I can not read post on this site between my calls (inbound call I am not a part of the great evil of telemarketing) at work because a very few people use language that would get my written up for if I was observed looking at it. I don't want to point out particular people like David Oros but I would really like to read this group more and I could if everyone would agree to keep it clean. I would like to reiterate that this is not a personal thing; I would just like your help working around the rules of the company I work for so that I could read this group more. Thanks

"Chuck Arnett" <Zag...@hotmail.com> wrote > >I can > not read post on this site between my calls (inbound call I am not a > part of the great evil of telemarketing) at work because a very few > people use language that would get my written up for if I was observed > looking at it. What kind of employer would do this? Perhaps you should find a job where the people you work with are less authoritarian... > I would like to reiterate that this is not a personal thing; I would > just like your help working around the rules of the company I work for > so that I could read this group more. Sorry man but no. I don't swear often, but when I do, it's for a good reason. I appreciate your situation, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone else on a newsgroup to modify their language because of it. Now get back to work! :) Cheers, WES

Zag...@hotmail.com (Chuck Arnett) writes: > I would really like to read this group more and I could if > everyone would agree to keep it clean. > I would like to reiterate that this is not a personal thing; I would > just like your help working around the rules of the company I work for > so that I could read this group more. > > Thanks "I have problems with my monitor and have to read news at a very low resolution." "So could you all please stop posting articles with lines longer than 20 characters? It would really help me to read this group." "Thank you." ---------- Considering the fictional request above, do you now see the problem with your suggestion? -- hg@ It's better to open your mouth and appear stupid, iki.fi than to hold it shut and keep thinking you know it all.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:37:49 -0500, "Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> scrawled: > >"Chuck Arnett" <Zag...@hotmail.com> wrote >> >>I can >> not read post on this site between my calls (inbound call I am not a >> part of the great evil of telemarketing) at work because a very few >> people use language that would get my written up for if I was observed >> looking at it. > >What kind of employer would do this? Perhaps you should find a job where >the people you work with are less authoritarian... well, being unemployed myself i can appreciate the desire to just..well..work somewhere, even if it is 'authoritarian'. It's going to be very sad when my funds for Black Hand will be limited to attending a Pre-Release event. but back to the origional language toning-down request: am i the only one currently repressing the childish urge to reply with a string of profanity? :) bum. salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

<h...@iki.fi.remove.these.to.reply.invalid> (Janne Hägglund) writes: > Considering the fictional request above, do you now see the problem with > your suggestion? I felt a little twitch of conscience after writing the above article. I offered only destructive criticism, not constructive advice. So here's my advice: Do as I did - buy an internet connection to your home. As long as you live in a reasonable country and choose a good Internet Service Provider, no-one can stop you from reading all the articles you want, from any groups you want. Your employer's policies should not apply to your personal life, or your free time. If you only want to read the news, and not play the latest games, you can buy an antique underpowered computer for peanuts, perhaps install a free and fast Linux operating system, and your ISP bill will be the only expense that matters. (Remember to check for the quality of the ISP's news service! Choose one that carries all the groups and has no censorship.) My main point still being: it is far easier to solve your problem by changing your behaviour, than by changing the behaviour of all the hundreds or thousands of people that use this newsgroup. [ quoted text not captured ]

h...@iki.fi.remove.these.to.reply.invalid expounded: > Do as I did - buy an internet connection to your home. I suspect that the issue is that Chuck wants to read it at work; not that he can't do so at home.

Zag...@hotmail.com (Chuck Arnett) wrote in message news:<7a53200d.03102...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Wish i could help, old chap, but the NG is the last place where REAL free speech takes place, and i'm sorry to say i think this is more important than your personal access. Am i saying that free speech is a luxury confined to the few? Sure. Better that, than that it should not exist at all.

Chuck, Please tell me where I have used profanity, other than the post about the black hand? I see your point that to have civillized conversations, we should be considerate of other peoples tolerances, but you are asking that I help you can get paid to read the newsgroups? David Oros

Please Consider my last post as an apology for my recent language, I will try to be more subtle when I use profanity, that way the pointy haired bosses won't see. David Oros "legbiter" <legb...@mailandnews.com> wrote in message news:22fea992.0310...@posting.google.com... [ quoted text not captured ]

Metropolis wrote: > Please Consider my last post as an apology for my recent language, > > I will try to be more subtle when I use profanity, that way the pointy > haired bosses won't see. For those who are interested, I often stop reading at the first foul word. Only if something in the preceding text indicated that something of worth would follow would I consider continuing. But that has more to do with the civilized nature of this group than with my own sensibilities. In this environment, vulgarity is an indication that nothing useful will follow (and my message-reading budget isn't what it once was). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

[ quoted text not captured ] Chuck, Ok, for the record, after a quick search, I only swore once in the past 6 Months. david

Well I have to agree with my critics, but I still needed to ask. I can have up to six hours of free time on some of my shifts. But you understand I had to ask. You never know what the answer might be. Sorry David I did not check the record, maybe you should swear more. 6 months seems like a lot time. Chuck

[ quoted text not captured ] Ô_Ô you fucker ! > david Nagaraja (sorry ;p)

in article e9ad0229.03102...@posting.google.com, Metropolis at do...@umich.edu wrote on 10/28/03 12:02 PM: [ quoted text not captured ] David, Please don't start up another flame exchange as you did with Reyda. I am certain that it would be possible to go through and check if you indeed used profanity. I really don't care myself as I read the newsgroup at home. What I am quite tired of is the bickering flames and the abusive attacks contained within them with or without profanity. As legbiter has pointed out this is in fact a bastion of free speech and as such you can do what you want. It is too bad that lately you have reduced yourself to such a low standard. I would expect more from one in your position than petty squabbles and excusing them by suggesting that you should not bother to be considerate because he is at work and you don't want to encourage someone to get paid to read a newsgroup. It is my hope that despite your guarding at the end that you did in fact get the point about having civilized conversations and being considerate of other peoples tolerances. My guess is that your behavior will speak louder than your assertion. Scott "Oh, it works all right, God help the lot of us." - A Clockwork Orange

in article BBC598F1.149B2%schrist...@hotmail.com, scott christofersen at schrist...@hotmail.com wrote on 10/29/03 4:18 PM: > in article e9ad0229.03102...@posting.google.com, Metropolis at > do...@umich.edu wrote on 10/28/03 12:02 PM: > >> Chuck, >> >> Please tell me where I have >> used profanity, other than the post about the black hand? I >> see your point that to have civillized conversations, we >> should be considerate of other peoples tolerances, but >> you are asking that I help you can get paid to read the newsgroups? >> >> >> David Oros David, I took a moment to save Chuck the frustration of doing so and cut and paste a few of these from your old posts. I'll leave it to you go go back and see which posts as it may be helpful to put it all in context for you. I'm sure you had your reasons at the time. > I'm very interested in you *not* acting like a know-it-all > Fuckhead. > > Your laughable fuckup-ishness is plain for everyone to see; it > requires no assumptions. > > Keep digging, asshole. > > I have *just* enough time in my day to > keep fucking with you, and I enjoy watching you display your idiocy, > so please continue to do so. > > You started it, dipshit.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:29:15 GMT, scott christofersen <schrist...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> Chuck, >>> Please tell me where I have >>> used profanity, other than the post about the black hand? I >>> see your point that to have civillized conversations, we >>> should be considerate of other peoples tolerances, but >>> you are asking that I help you can get paid to read the newsgroups? >>> David Oros >David, > I took a moment to save Chuck the frustration of doing so and cut and >paste a few of these from your old posts. I'll leave it to you go go back >and see which posts as it may be helpful to put it all in context for you. >I'm sure you had your reasons at the time. You might be a little more careful in the future Scott. David Oros is in Michigan and made none of the posts you quoted. David Cherryholmes is in North Carolina, and I recognize most of the posts as his. David Tatu is in Georgia and has never posted to this newsgroup. David Hammond is in England and back in the day posted Gangrel newsletters on occasion. David McCarty posts frequently in support of the Setites. Dave Bastijns won the EC 2002. Dave Brereton posts from the Canadian wastelands. http://www.thelasombra.com/WhosWho/ http://www.nosferatustuff.com/vtes/survival_guide.htm http://www.arn.org/arnproducts/books/b057.htm Carpe noctem. Lasombra http://www.TheLasombra.com

Okay I'm a dumbass... Wrong david

"The Lasombra" <TheLa...@hotmail.com> wrote > > David Oros is in Michigan and made none of the posts you quoted. > > David Cherryholmes is in North Carolina, and I recognize most of the > posts as his. > > David Tatu is in Georgia and has never posted to this newsgroup. > > David Hammond is in England and back in the day posted Gangrel > newsletters on occasion. > > David McCarty posts frequently in support of the Setites. > > Dave Bastijns won the EC 2002. > > Dave Brereton posts from the Canadian wastelands. Heh. Every Canadian on this newsgroup is right now humming "These are the Daves I know" from Kids in the Hall. http://www.lyricsmp3.net/D19000/kk18040.htm Cheers, WES

The Lasombra <TheLa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<eir0qv0fls028b9ci...@4ax.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] King David, father of Solomon (or was he his son ?), was a King of the antcient Kindgom of Judah. He have never post on this NG (i guess...). He have "perhaps" use such words, but : 1) I have no proof at all. 2) He was a King, so i suppose he have the right to do so. 3) Times were pretty hard during this era, so i guess we can forgive his words. Sorry scott, but it's fun. I don't laught "at" you, i laught "with" you ! (by the way, aggree with your general idea). (Jeff, your humor is excellent !). KS.

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, scott christofersen wrote: > Please don't start up another flame exchange as you did with Reyda. I started it, did I? Might not seem relevant to you, but it does to me. > It is too bad that lately you have reduced yourself to such a low > standard. And I could return the compliment for your thoughtful netcopping, and *ironic* RE-POSTING of all the things you wish I'd, uh, not posted. And your criticism of my character; maybe the criticism is even valid (or maybe not), but here you are -- and I've never spoken to you that I know of -- talking down to me about "reducing" myself and whatnot. That is how flame wars begin. Now, who do you think would've started that one? > I would expect more from one in your position than petty > squabbles What position? My "position" as a demo-monkey? Because I've hurled hundreds and hundreds of man-hours at a friggin (oops, sorry) card game? > and excusing them by suggesting that you should not bother to be > considerate because he is at work and you don't want to encourage someone to > get paid to read a newsgroup. Yeah, I see you now know that you've gotten your "David's" all mushed together. > It is my hope that despite your guarding at the end that you did in fact > get the point about having civilized conversations and being considerate of > other peoples tolerances. My guess is that your behavior will speak louder > than your assertion. I don't know if you are referring to me, Oros, or some conglomerate, so I can't really reply to this. David Cherryholmes Duke Radiology P.E.T. Facility (919) 684-7714 david.che...@duke.edu

>> Please don't start up another flame exchange as you did with Reyda. > > I started it, did I? Might not seem relevant to you, but it does to me. Yep... You chose to respond to his jabs as I now choose to respond to you etc etc takes two to tango and this is likely a mistake to respond at all to you but I think I owe at least all other Dave's an apology. >> It is too bad that lately you have reduced yourself to such a low >> standard. > > And I could return the compliment for your thoughtful netcopping, and > *ironic* RE-POSTING of all the things you wish I'd, uh, not > posted. And your criticism of my character; maybe the criticism is even > valid (or maybe not), but here you are -- and I've never spoken to you > that I know of -- talking down to me about "reducing" myself and whatnot. > That is how flame wars begin. Now, who do you think would've started that > one? Two points: 1. I don't really mind the Language per se but more the useless bickering. 2. I don't post my job title etc in my tags >> I would expect more from one in your position than petty >> squabbles > > What position? My "position" as a demo-monkey? Because I've hurled > hundreds and hundreds of man-hours at a friggin (oops, sorry) card game? David Cherryholmes Duke Radiology P.E.T. Facility (919) 684-7714 david.che...@duke.edu >> and excusing them by suggesting that you should not bother to be >> considerate because he is at work and you don't want to encourage someone to >> get paid to read a newsgroup. > > Yeah, I see you now know that you've gotten your "David's" all mushed > together. Ah yes you've stung me here I did indeed get the wrong David. I had thought of saying something before but stopped myself as I didn't want to contribute to the silliness and alas I have been sucked into it. At least I can say that now I have gained something from all this (I can now hum along with these are the David's I know... What fun) >> It is my hope that despite your guarding at the end that you did in fact >> get the point about having civilized conversations and being considerate of >> other peoples tolerances. My guess is that your behavior will speak louder >> than your assertion. > > I don't know if you are referring to me, Oros, or some conglomerate, so I > can't really reply to this. I think you already have, and I'm not disappointed. Tsk tsk to me for having involved myself. Bad me Scott

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, scott christofersen wrote: > > I started it, did I? Might not seem relevant to you, but it does to me. > > Yep... You chose to respond to his jabs as I now choose to respond to you Just stop and think a moment. Does the phrase "you started it by responding to...." make sense to you? > Two points: 1. I don't really mind the Language per se but more the useless > bickering. 2. I don't post my job title etc in my tags So what if my title is there? I do a lot of work-related emailing, and I don't feel like having two sigs. Is a sig important? > Ah yes you've stung me here I did indeed get the wrong David. Drop the provocative stance, buddy. I didn't "sting" you, nor was I trying to. If nothing else, you should at least grant that it's obvious when I'm trying to be insulting. > I had thought > of saying something before but stopped myself as I didn't want to contribute > to the silliness and alas I have been sucked into it. You haven't been "sucked" into anything. You jumped in, for whatever reason. > I think you already have, and I'm not disappointed. Tsk tsk to me for having > involved myself. More compliments. I think you might be a troll. [ quoted text not captured ]

LOL. At least we are in a lucky position. There is only one guy named Johannes and only one guy named Kamel. No confusion possible. Note that these two guys sometimes, really only sometimes, also use bad language but usually only in French language (DTC!)so most of you do not have to bother :-) -- johannes walch v:ekn germany - http://www.vekn.de/

> David Oros is in Michigan and made none of the posts you quoted. > > David Cherryholmes is in North Carolina, and I recognize most of the > posts as his. > > David Tatu is in Georgia and has never posted to this newsgroup. > > David Hammond is in England and back in the day posted Gangrel > newsletters on occasion. > > David McCarty posts frequently in support of the Setites. > > Dave Bastijns won the EC 2002. > > Dave Brereton posts from the Canadian wastelands. David Vincent took a wrong turn one night and saw the Invaders. ------- Orpheus

I would like to interrupt this flaming to make an apology to David Oros, for one possibly two things first, for including your name in my post and not David Cherryholmes. It was irresponsible for me not to check and make sure I had the right David. Second and more complicated; I am no longer sure which David is which, and I think that I might be combining Davids. I meant the post of David Cherryholmes and the David that used to play with use in Seattle.

On 30 Oct 2003, Chuck Arnett wrote: > Second and more complicated; I am no longer sure which David is which, > and I think that I might be combining Davids. I meant the post of > David Cherryholmes and the David that used to play with use in > Seattle. But I *did* used to play in Seattle. Am I at +2 stealth yet? [ quoted text not captured ]

"Wes" <gh...@NYETSPAMmnsi.net> wrote in message news:bnq7g...@enews4.newsguy.com... [ quoted text not captured ] I never thought it was that catchy of a tune until now... David Oros of Michigan

I used to play in Seattle as well I even lived there... I am married to a Canadian that knows all of the words... "David Cherryholmes" <david.che...@duke.edu> wrote in message news:Pine.GSO.4.21.031031...@petsparc.duhs.duke.edu... [ quoted text not captured ]