Sabbat Vs Camarilla Vote Questions (LSG)

I need help sorting out the do's and don't of votes with both Sabbat and Camarilla. I understood Sabbat vampires could not become Princes through Praxis seizures (unless a card was played that made them Camarilla...) Vice versa for the Camalira and the Crusades votes right? Where I get dizzy is when I am told Sabbat vampires can vote on praxis seizures and justicar votes While Camarilla vamps cannot vote on Sabbat votes (priscus...) I also heard that some Camarilla votes are out of bounds for sabbat voters (rumours of gehena...) As you can see I am really not sure on how to proceed with voting when playing others with Sabbat decks... (combat is so much easier :)) thanks in advance -- Hugues Bertrand Prince of Montreal www.geocities.com/princedemontreal princede...@yahoo.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.

>I need help sorting out the do's and don't of votes with both Sabbat >and Camarilla. > >I understood Sabbat vampires could not become Princes through Praxis >seizures (unless a card was played that made them Camarilla...) > >Vice versa for the Camalira and the Crusades votes > >right? yes >Where I get dizzy is when I am told Sabbat vampires can vote on praxis >seizures and justicar votes While Camarilla vamps cannot vote on Sabbat >votes (priscus...) says so on the card text. >I also heard that some Camarilla votes are out of bounds for sabbat >voters (rumours of gehena...) i thought rumours was not a sabbat vote. anam

In article <8mvuvt$r2f$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Packer <princede...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > I need help sorting out the do's and don't of votes with both Sabbat > and Camarilla. > > I understood Sabbat vampires could not become Princes through Praxis > seizures (unless a card was played that made them Camarilla...) > > Vice versa for the Camalira and the Crusades votes > > right? > > Where I get dizzy is when I am told Sabbat vampires can vote on praxis > seizures and justicar votes While Camarilla vamps cannot vote on Sabbat > votes (priscus...) > > I also heard that some Camarilla votes are out of bounds for sabbat > voters (rumours of gehena...) > > As you can see I am really not sure on how to proceed with voting when > playing others with Sabbat decks... (combat is so much easier :)) > > thanks in advance > > -- > Hugues Bertrand > Prince of Montreal > www.geocities.com/princedemontreal > princede...@yahoo.com > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > I do agree with you on the confusion part. I developed a (small) list of who can call and participate in votes, plus if any errata is currently assigned against any vote cards. Below is what I could determine, however, do not take it a gospel. I am 100% sure that it is not air-tight. I would give the list time to be reviewed by others and allow them to comment. Michael Eichler Prince of Ramstein Camarilla Sabbat Indep Political Card Call Vote Call Vote Call Vote Errata? Anarchist Uprising Y Y Y Y Y Y N Anathema Y Y N Y N Y Y Ancient Influence Y Y Y Y Y Y N Ancilla Empowerment Y Y Y Y Y Y N Archon Y Y N Y N Y Y Autarkis Persecution Y Y Y Y Y Y N Banishment Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Beyond Reproach Y Y N Y N Y N Camarilla Exemplary Y Y N Y N Y N - (Card makes no indication of Cam. Only other than by it’s Title.) Camarilla Threat Y Y Y Y Y Y N Cardinal Benediction N N Y Y N N N (Cam. Clan) Justicar Y Y N N N N N (Y – Ventrue) Code of Milan Suspended N Y Y Y N Y Y Command of the Harpies Y Y N Y N Y N - (Card make no indication of Cam. Only other than by it’s Title.) Consanguineous Boon Y Y Y Y Y Y N Con. Condemnation Y Y Y Y Y Y N Conservative Agitation Y Y Y Y Y Y N Corruption's Purge Y Y N Y N Y N Crusade: (City Name) Y Y N Y N Y N Cunctator Motion Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Disputed Territory Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Domain Challenge Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Dramatic Upheaval Y Y Y Y Y Y N Excommunication N Y N Y N Y N 1stTradition Y Y N Y N Y N Giovanni Acceptance Y Y Y Y Y Y N - (Nothing indicates that Sabbat could not call this vote) High Stakes Y Y Y Y Y Y N Investiture N Y Y Y N Y N Invitation Accepted Y Y Y Y Y Y N - (Nothing indicates that Sabbat could not call this vote) Justicar Retribution Y Y Y Y Y Y Y - (Nothing on the card indicates that Sabbat & Indep could not call this vote except it’s Title) Kindred Restructure Y Y N Y N Y N Kindred Segregation Y Y Y Y Y Y N Kine Resources Cont'ed Y Y Y Y Y Y N Legacy of Pander N Y Y Y N Y Y Lextalionis Y Y Y Y Y Y N Malkavian Justicar Y Y N Y N Y N Mark of the Damned Y Y Y Y Y Y N Masquerade Enforcement Y Y N Y N Y Y Might of the Camarilla Y Y N Y N Y N Parity Shift Y Y N Y N Y Y Peace of Khetamon, The Y Y Y Y Y Y N Peace Treaty Y Y Y Y Y Y N Political Flux Y Y Y Y Y Y N Political Stranglehold Y Y Y Y Y Y N Praxis Seizure: (City) Y Y N Y N Y N Praxis Solomon Y Y Y Y Y Y N Protect Thine Own Y Y N Y N Y N Ravnos Acceptance Y Y Y Y Y Y N - (Nothing on card indicates that Sabbat can not call this vote) Regaining /Upper Hand Y Y Y Y Y Y N Reversal of Fortunes Y Y Y Y Y Y N Revocation of Tyre Y Y Y Y Y Y N - (Nothing on card indicates that Sabbat can not call this vote) Rumors of Gehenna Y Y Y Y Y Y N - (Nothing on card indicates that Sabbat or Independents can not call this vote) Sabbat Inquisitor N Y Y Y N Y N Sabbat Priest N Y Y Y N Y N Sabbat Threat Y Y N Y N Y Y Sacrifice N Y Y Y N Y N Screw the Masquerade! Y Y Y Y Y Y N Tithings N Y Y Y N Y N Tradition Upheld Y Y N Y N Y N Transfer of Power Y Y Y Y Y Y N Treaty of Tyre Enforced Y Y Y Y Y Y N - (Nothing on card indicates that Sabbat can not call this vote) Wrath /Inner Circle Y Y N Y N Y N -- Worry comes from the belief you are powerless. (So get in there and kick some butt!) [ quoted text not captured ]

Most exclusive political actions are defined on the card. For example, votes which state "Requires a ready Prince or Justicar" means that only a Prince or Justicar can take the action to call the vote. A Sabbat Cardinal cannot call Anathema or Parity Shift, for example. The only Political actions which limit who can vote in the referendum (as defined by card text) are Investiture (turns a Sabbat into a Priscus) and Cardinal Benediction (turns a Sabbat over 6 into a Cardinal). Of course, using Closed Session prohibits all non Camarilla from having votes during the referendum. When the Sabbat first came out, the accompanying rulebook stated several political actions which Sabbat vampires could not take that were not defined by the card text (for example, Command of the Harpies - which states it can be called by any vampire). Whether those rules still hold (as several of those rules were revised, including the Prince/Archbishop of X auto-rush feature) is a question for LSJ. -Mike P.S. It's fun to use Hannibal to make one of your Camarilla weenies a Justicar. Tee hee.

It's almost impossible for me to read this, bud. Ramsteiner <ramst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8n0g2t$74g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com... [ quoted text not captured ] > N (Y - Ventrue) [ quoted text not captured ]

Another angle you might also want to add is whether the vote to burn the Elysium Arboretum can be called by Cam/Sab/Ind. I believe only Cam can call it, but all can vote. Are there other cards in play that can be voted down (not counting pol-act cards)? Chris Ramsteiner wrote: > -- chris ultimate disc - V:TES - hockey v:ekn prince of torrance, ca

In article <39957621...@hotmail.com>, Chris Shorb <ultima...@hotmail.com> writes >Another angle you might also want to add is whether the vote to burn the >Elysium Arboretum can be called by Cam/Sab/Ind. I believe only Cam can >call it, Correct. Section 10 - Vampire Sects: Only Camarilla vampires can use the Camarilla power structure respresented by some cards and actions. To reflect this, those cards and actions that are related to this power structure are restricted, in addition to the restrictions on titles listed above. Only Camarilla vampires can call the following referendums: Justicar Retribution, Command of the Harpies, Masquerade Enforcement, the vote to burn Masquerade Enforcement, the vote to burn Elysium: the Arboretum, and the vote to remove the abilities granted by Archon. Only Camarilla vampires can be chosen in the Archon and Camarilla Exemplary referendums. >but all can vote. Again, correct. There are no standing limitations (i.e. in the errata or rules) on who can vote on any given referendum. All such limiting is done by card text *only* (as the game currently stands). Everyone can vote on all political actions unless there is specific card text to the contrary. Closed Session is one such card. There are a number of cards in the Sabbat set which are similarly limited. -- James Coupe

Packer <princede...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I understood Sabbat vampires could not become Princes through Praxis > seizures (unless a card was played that made them Camarilla...) > > Vice versa for the Camalira and the Crusades votes > > right? Right. [10] > Where I get dizzy is when I am told Sabbat vampires can vote on praxis > seizures and justicar votes While Camarilla vamps cannot vote on > Sabbat votes (priscus...) Any ready vampire (with votes) can vote in any referendum, unless card text says otherwise. > I also heard that some Camarilla votes are out of bounds for sabbat > voters (rumours of gehena...) The rulebook lists some referendums that only Camarilla vampires can call, but Rumors is not one of them. See section 10 of the online rulebook. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8n8t8d$soi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, [ quoted text not captured ] So would these be correct? (provided it comes out properly) Michael Eichler Prince of Ramstein C-C-S-S-I-I-A A-A-A-A-N-N-N M-M-B-B-D-D-Y - - - - - - C-V-C-V-C-V-E A-O-A-O-A-O-R L-T-L-T-L-T-R Political Card L-E-L-E-L-E-? Anarchist Uprising Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Anathema Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-Y Ancient Influence Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Ancilla Empowerment Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Archon Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-Y Autarkis Persecution Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Banishment Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y Beyond Reproach Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Camarilla Exemplary Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N (Card makes no indication of Camarilla Only other than by it’s Title.) Camarilla Threat Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Cardinal Benediction N-N-Y-Y-N-N-N (Camarilla Clan) Justicar Y-Y-N-N-N-N-N (Y – Ventrue) Code of Milan Suspended N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-Y Command of the Harpies Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N (Card make no indication of Camarilla Only other than by it’s Title.) Consanguineous Boon Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Consanguineous Condem Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Conservative Agitation Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Corruption's Purge Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Crusade: (City Name) Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Cunctator Motion Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y Disputed Territory Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y Domain Challenge Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y Dramatic Upheaval Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Excommunication N-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N 1st Trad: The Masquerade Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Giovanni Acceptance Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N (Nothing indicates that Sabbat could not call this vote) High Stakes Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Investiture N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-N Invitation Accepted Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N (Nothing indicates that Sabbat could not call this vote) Justicar Retribution Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y (Nothing on the card indicates that Sabbat and Independents could not call this vote except it’s Title) Kindred Restructure Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Kindred Segregation Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Kine Resources Contested Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Legacy of Pander N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-Y Lextalionis Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Malkavian Justicar Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Mark of the Damned Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Masquerade Enforcement Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-Y Might of the Camarilla Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Parity Shift Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-Y Peace of Khetamon, The Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Peace Treaty Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Political Flux Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Political Stranglehold Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Praxis Seizure:(City Name) Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Praxis Solomon Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Protect Thine Own Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Ravnos Acceptance Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N (Nothing on card indicates that Sabbat can not call this vote) Regaining the Upper Hand Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Reversal of Fortunes Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Revocation of Tyre Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N (Nothing on card indicates that Sabbat can not call this vote) Rumors of Gehenna Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N (Nothing on card indicates that Sabbat or Independents can not call this vote) Sabbat Inquisitor N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-N Sabbat Priest N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-N Sabbat Threat Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-Y Sacrifice N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-N Screw the Masquerade! Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Tithings N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-N Tradition Upheld Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Transfer of Power Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Treaty of Tyre Enforced Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N (Nothing on card indicates that Sabbat can not call this vote) Wrath of the Inner Circle Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N -- Worry comes from the belief you are powerless. (So get in there and kick some butt!) [ quoted text not captured ]

Maybe I totally missed something but why is Malkavian Justicar different from (Camarilla Clan) Justicar in your table ? >(Camarilla Clan) Justicar Y-Y-N-N-N-N-N (Y - Ventrue) >Malkavian Justicar Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Greetings Carsten

Ramsteiner wrote: > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Any ready vampire (with votes) can vote in any referendum, unless card > > text says otherwise. > > > > > I also heard that some Camarilla votes are out of bounds for sabbat > > > voters (rumours of gehena...) > > > > The rulebook lists some referendums that only Camarilla vampires can > > call, but Rumors is not one of them. See section 10 of the online > > rulebook. > So would these be correct? (provided it comes out properly) If it matches the rulebook and card texts, yes. If I have a few hours free one day, I might verify it, but until then, just go by the rulebook. [snip] -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. [ quoted text not captured ]

So can a non-Cam vampire call Malkavian Justicar, naming a valid target on the table? The online rulebook and the Sabbat "addendum" say nothing of this.

[ quoted text not captured ] Since nothing prohibits it and the card says "called by any vampire", yes. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <Xzhm5.1036$Fr1.2...@news1.giganews.com>, Mike Ooi <sh...@texas.net> writes >So can a non-Cam vampire call Malkavian Justicar, naming a valid target on >the table? Perfectly valid. You just have to pick a Malkavian, as you say. This can be the case in the World of Darkness where other vampires from other clans try and maneuver vampires into positions of power, when they think they can control them, or it will work out better than another vampire etc. -- James Coupe | PGP Key 0x5D623D5D | ja...@zephyr.org.uk (New e-mail) "Who'd have ever predicted the moment would come when I find myself grateful they've kept women dumb? She's an innocent maiden but then so am I, that's why it's possible I could get by."

In article <39981C5C...@crunch.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de>, Carsten Isselhorst <car...@crunch.ikp.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> writes >Maybe I totally missed something but why is Malkavian Justicar different >from (Camarilla Clan) >Justicar in your table ? And they're both wrong anyway. Anyone can call a Justicar vote - they just have to name the right vampire. Anyone can vote in a Justicar vote - but some vampires get extra votes in them. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8n9148$vto$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Ramsteiner <ramsteiner@my- deja.com> writes >Anarchist Uprising Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call or vote, no errata. >Anathema Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-Y Requires Prince or Justicar so implicitly can only be called by Camarilla vampires - with those titles. Everyone can vote. >Ancient Influence Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call or vote, no errata. (1 per game) >Ancilla Empowerment Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call or vote, no errata. >Archon Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-Y Archon vote when the political action card is played: Called by Prince or Justicar so can only be called by Camarilla vampires with those titles. Everyone can vote. However, a Camarilla vampire must be chosen to receive the Archon powers (V:TES Section 10) Archon vote when the Archon powers are removed: Only called by Camarilla vampires (V:TES Section 10). Everyone can vote. >Autarkis Persecution Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call or vote. >Banishment Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y Everyone can call or vote. Errata affects how the card interacts with cards already on a vampire, but not the actual "Banishment" of the vampire. >Beyond Reproach Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Can only be called by a Prince so requires a Camarilla vampire who is a Prince. Everyone can vote. >Camarilla Exemplary Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N > (Card makes no indication of Camarilla Only other than by it’s Everyone can call, everyone can vote. However, only a Camarilla vampire can be targeted by the vote. (V:TES Section 10) >Camarilla Threat Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Cardinal Benediction N-N-Y-Y-N-N-N Only Sabbat vampires can vote, and there are capacity limitations on the target of the vote. Camarilla vampires cannot vote - so Independent and Sabbat vampires only for voting. >(Camarilla Clan) Justicar Y-Y-N-N-N-N-N (Y – Ventrue) Venture Justicar is re-written to be Ventrue Justicar for the Ventrue clan, following the same template as every other Justicar card. Anyone can call them, anyone can vote in them. However, only a vampire of the relevant clan can be targeted by the vote. Vampires of the relevant clan get additional votes, but no-one is excluded from voting. >Code of Milan Suspended N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-Y Called only by Sabbat vampires, but everyone can vote. Errata works to the effect that the Methuselah with the edge when the vote is called burns the pool - else you could burn the edge during the referendum to gain a vote, and escape the effects. >Command of the Harpies Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N > (Card make no indication of Camarilla Only other than by it’s >Title.) Only Camarilla vampires can call (V:TES Section 10). However, all vampires can vote. >Consanguineous Boon Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Every can call, everyone can vote. >Consanguineous Condem Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Conservative Agitation Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Corruption's Purge Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Requires a Prince, Justicar or Inner Circle member so implicitly requires a vampire with those titles who is a member of the Camarilla. Everyone can vote. >Crusade: (City Name) Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Can only be called by Sabbat vampires, by card text. Everyone can vote. >Cunctator Motion Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Disputed Territory Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y Everyone can call and everyone can vote. Clarifications exist to note that it *is* a political action, despite it not having the symbol on the card. Also, there are rulings elsewhere on moving locquipment via Disputed Territory and also noting that you don't need a Gangrel, say, to steal Backways etc. >Domain Challenge Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y Can be called by everyone. Errata notes that the tapped vampires are only counted after the referendum (e.g. for when playing Disarming Presence). >Dramatic Upheaval Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Excommunication N-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Only Sabbat vampires can call, and an Archbishop must be the target. However, everyone can vote. >1st Trad: The Masquerade Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Requires a Prince or Justicar, so needs a Camarilla vampire with those votes. However, everyone can vote on this referendum. >Giovanni Acceptance Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >High Stakes Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Requires a ready Ventrue, so only Ventrue can call the vote. However, a Ventrue who was not also a member of the Camarilla *could* call the vote. There is currently, to the best of my knowledge, no way to get an Independent or Sabbat Ventrue *but* were a reverse "Writ of Acceptance" (Stamp of Disapproval?) type card invented, a non-Camarilla Ventrue could call this vote. Currently, only Ventrue (and hence Camarilla) vampires can call this vote. Everyone is entitled to vote. >Investiture N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-N Only called by Cardinal vampires - hence only by members of the Sabbat. Camarilla vampires are unable to vote. Cardinals get one additional vote. All Sabbat and Independent members can vote. >Invitation Accepted Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Justicar Retribution Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y This vote can only be called by Camarilla vampires (V:TES Section 10). However, all vampires may vote. The errata notes that the amount of bleed used is the amount of bleed versus its prey. >Kindred Restructure Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Requires a Prince or Justicar, so requires a Camarilla (implicitly) Prince or Justicar. All vampires may vote. >Kindred Segregation Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Kine Resources Contested Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Legacy of Pander N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-Y Playing Legacy: Only Sabbat vampires can call the vote, but everyone is entitled to vote. Burning Legacy: Only Sabbat vampires can burn Legacy (I think, the card text file seems to be a bit weird, regarding (D) actions, so it may be wrong) >Lextalionis Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Malkavian Justicar Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Covered earlier, but everyone can call, everyone can vote, only Malkavians may be targetted and all Malkavians get additional votes. >Mark of the Damned Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Masquerade Enforcement Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-Y Playing MasEnf: Only Camarilla vampires can call this vote, implicitly, since a Prince or Justicar is required. Burning MasEnf: Only Camarilla vampires can call the vote to burn this card, but this may be any Camarilla vampire. Everyone can vote in both votes. >Might of the Camarilla Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Requires a Justicar or Inner Circle member, so implicitly Camarilla. Everyone can vote. >Parity Shift Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-Y Requires Prince or Justicar, so only Camarilla vampires implicitly. Everyone can vote. The re-allocation is specified as part of the terms of the vote, not during the resolution of a successful referendum. >Peace of Khetamon, The Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Peace Treaty Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Political Flux Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Political Stranglehold Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. (1 per game.) >Praxis Seizure:(City Name) Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Since it makes a vampire a Prince, implicitly only Camarilla vampires can call it. Everyone can vote. >Praxis Solomon Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Protect Thine Own Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Requires a Justicar or Inner Circle, so implicitly requires a Camarilla vampire. Everyone can vote. >Ravnos Acceptance Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Regaining the Upper Hand Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Reversal of Fortunes Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Revocation of Tyre Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Rumors of Gehenna Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Sabbat Inquisitor N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-N Playing: Requires an Archbishop or Cardinal, so implicitly requires Sabbat vampires. Burning: Requires a Sabbat vampire to burn it. Everyone can vote in both actions. >Sabbat Priest N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-N Only called by Sabbat vampires, and only Sabbat vampires may be targetted. However, everyone can vote. >Sabbat Threat Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-Y Requires a Prince or Justicar, so implicitly requires a Camarilla vampire. Everyone can vote. Errata notes that you can order burning the counters and burning the edge in any order during your untap phase, to escape the effects. >Sacrifice N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-N Can only be called by a Sabbat vampire, with a capacity above 7. Everyone can vote. >Screw the Masquerade! Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Tithings N-Y-Y-Y-N-Y-N Only Sabbat can call, everyone can vote. >Tradition Upheld Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Requires Prince/Justicar/Inner Circle so implicitly requires Camarilla. Caitiff must be targetted. Everyone can vote. >Transfer of Power Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Treaty of Tyre Enforced Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-N Everyone can call, everyone can vote. >Wrath of the Inner Circle Y-Y-N-Y-N-Y-N Only Inner Circle members can call the vote, so implicitly requires Camarilla. Everyone can vote. [ quoted text not captured ]