Preview #12 : Ambulance

Had to do this one, 12 is my number... ;-) Ambulance Vehicle 1 pool After a combat between this acting minion and a blocking minion, you may tap the Ambulance to continue the action as if unblocked. If the action is blocked again, burn this card. This minion may tap the Ambulance to attempt to burn an incapacitated imbued as a +1 stealth action. A minion may have only one vehicle. -- Orpheus ---------------- Top of Ban / Fix List : PTO, Champion, Memories of Mortality.

This is pretty cool. Im not sure for which kind of deck this is especially usefull, but it has a lot of potential. I guess this is some new form of stealth or slease. should be cool in a bruise and bleed deck. first punch the blocker in the face, then continue the bleed for 3 or punch another idiot in the face. lol Also the secondary ability is nice. I like it when anti strategies are offered in "general usefull" cards. In other words; I would not play anti cards if they dont support my main strategy at all.

> Ambulance > Vehicle > 1 pool > After a combat between this acting minion and a blocking minion, you may > tap the Ambulance to continue the action as if unblocked. If the action is > blocked again, burn this card. This minion may tap the Ambulance to > attempt to burn an incapacitated imbued as a +1 stealth action. A minion > may have only one vehicle. Now, my opinion... Effect 1 : well, you have to equip with it, sure, but it's a very nice bloc denial effect ! No younger requirement either... I'm thinking Repo Man, here, and this might just help clans without stealth and / or decks based on block denial with few options (like the Giovanni), and / or deck with stealth in a very intercept heavy environment. On the whole, from what I've seen of this extension, I'd say intercept is pretty much screwed again. Can't say it disturns me too much either. Effect 2 : it is now plain obvious that the game conceptors heard our worries ! The Imbued had a few issues to be rectified, and it looks better and better now : - Champion made them nigh untouchable, now the Dom card can burn them if they enter combat - Ambulance has a good first use, and its second one deals with the "the Imbued are too resilient" part Not to mention anti-gehenna cards, etc. Now if Memories is fixed (and fixed !) in the Giovanni starter, they'll just be a good, balanced option and everyone will be happy (even if I still hate the principle of creating crypt cards non affected by so many core cards of the game). ---------- All Hail the Lords of the Night ! Orpheus

> Ambulance > Vehicle > 1 pool > After a combat between this acting minion and a blocking minion, you may tap > the Ambulance to continue the action as if unblocked. If the action is > blocked again, burn this card. This minion may tap the Ambulance to attempt > to burn an incapacitated imbued as a +1 stealth action. A minion may have > only one vehicle. Interesting, not what I was expecting from Ambulance. I was thinking something for moving guys from torpor or gaining blood - but this is cool. Good for stealth decks to get past walls. The secondary ability is odd too, not something one would prescribe to an ambulance. Wouldn't that be more a hearse? But anyway, I can see good uses for this card. --> J grail_pbem "at" hotmail.com

>> Ambulance >> Vehicle >> 1 pool >> After a combat between this acting minion and a blocking minion, you may >> tap >> the Ambulance to continue the action as if unblocked. If the action is >> blocked again, burn this card. This minion may tap the Ambulance to >> attempt >> to burn an incapacitated imbued as a +1 stealth action. A minion may have >> only one vehicle. > > Interesting, not what I was expecting from Ambulance. I was thinking > something for moving guys from torpor or gaining blood - but this is > cool. Good for stealth decks to get past walls. The secondary > ability is odd too, not something one would prescribe to an > ambulance. Wouldn't that be more a hearse? You're a Vampire. You have some limited control over hopital personnel, and you can have an ambulance available at your command. You go and attack an Imbued, knowing that he'll be hard to kill righ away (for whatever reason an Imbued is so hard to kill in combat by a vampire, but you know...). So you send an ambulance to pick him up, and finish him. ----------- [ quoted text not captured ]

> You're a Vampire. You have some limited control over hopital personnel, and > you can have an ambulance available at your command. You go and attack an > Imbued, knowing that he'll be hard to kill righ away (for whatever reason an > Imbued is so hard to kill in combat by a vampire, but you know...). So you > send an ambulance to pick him up, and finish him. Not a bad explanation... When I first saw Ambulance on the list I was thinking something that would allow any minion to rescue a vampire from torpor or something like that, for 0 blood. ---> J grail_pbem "at" hotmail.com

On 19 sep, 13:52, J <grai...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > You're a Vampire. You have some limited control over hopital personnel, and > > you can have an ambulance available at your command. You go and attack an > > Imbued, knowing that he'll be hard to kill righ away (for whatever reason an > > Imbued is so hard to kill in combat by a vampire, but you know...). So you > > send an ambulance to pick him up, and finish him. > So it is pillowfacing in a hospital bed now? oscar do you have a suitible picture for that?

On Sep 19, 7:42 am, "Orpheus" <orpheus...@free.fr> wrote: > > Ambulance > > Vehicle > > 1 pool > > After a combat between this acting minion and a blocking minion, you may > > tap the Ambulance to continue the action as if unblocked. If the action is > > blocked again, burn this card. This minion may tap the Ambulance to > > attempt to burn an incapacitated imbued as a +1 stealth action. A minion > > may have only one vehicle. > > Now, my opinion... > > Effect 1 : well, you have to equip with it, sure, but it's a very nice bloc > denial effect ! No younger requirement either... I'm thinking Repo Man, > here, and this might just help clans without stealth and / or decks based on > block denial with few options (like the Giovanni), and / or deck with > stealth in a very intercept heavy environment. On the whole, from what I've > seen of this extension, I'd say intercept is pretty much screwed again. > Can't say it disturns me too much either. I very much like the first effect. A disciplineless Mirror Image that costs a pool and an action. In theory it's reusable, in practice, if you got blocked the first time, you're likely to get blocked again. > Effect 2 : it is now plain obvious that the game conceptors heard our > worries ! The Imbued had a few issues to be rectified, and it looks better > and better now : > - Champion made them nigh untouchable, now the Dom card can burn them if > they enter combat > - Ambulance has a good first use, and its second one deals with the "the > Imbued are too resilient" part Also note that the second part of ambulance is not the same action as the rules-card action to burn an incapacitated imbued. If I'm reading that right, it means nobody can burn Convictions to punish the offending minion. witness1

"Orpheus" <orphe...@free.fr> writes: > This minion may tap the Ambulance to attempt to burn an incapacitated > imbued as a +1 stealth action. This made me smile. Wonderfully thematic! Fits perfectly with the concept of "pillowfacing". HG -- hg@ "If you can't offend part of your audience, iki.fi there is no point in being an artist at all." -Hakim Bey

The second ability is straight out of a horror movie. One of the heroes goes down, they get 'rescued' by an ambulance and as they drive away, the protagonist yells "Quick! To the hospital, we're losing him!" Then the driver slowly turns his head and grins... (ambulance fades into the disctance). Absolutely brilliant, props to LSJ! Teeka -saving money to buy a crapload of boosters

I have been waiting for a card with this effect _since_Jyhad_first_came_out_. (The first effect, not the second, obviously.) Took ya'll long enough. This is a good card. This set is shaping up nicely. I find the uncharacteristic lack of negative criticism I have for this set to be deeply disturbing. By the way, this is the first card in a long time that I've seen help a bruise-bleed or a bruise-vote archetype, and it manages to help them both. Once you've generated the stealth to get the vehicle out, you're golden. Now, if the Powers That Be would be so kind: reprint Repo Man.

Yeah, I think the life of a repo man is about to get even more intense... :) (yes, it's an obscure movie reference, but so true) //Petri

> This is a good card. This set is shaping up nicely. > > I find the uncharacteristic lack of negative criticism I have for this > set to be deeply disturbing. Yes, I haven't liked much about the vamps I saw (but big vamps are hard to play, especially in those clans...), but the library cards are very nice indeed. The Aim cards are the ones I like less, but the other ones offer plenty of new options, that's good. Hope the rest of the set is up to par ! > By the way, this is the first card in a long time that I've seen help > a bruise-bleed or a bruise-vote archetype, and it manages to help them > both. Yes, among others. > Once you've generated the stealth to get the vehicle out, you're > golden. Sure. You can also Summon Repo Man, no more stealth on first action but easier to get... > Now, if the Powers That Be would be so kind: reprint Repo Man. Don't have enough of them yet ? -- [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sep 19, 3:39 pm, Defender of Ra <ruleslaw...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I find the uncharacteristic lack of negative criticism I have for this > set to be deeply disturbing. Yes, not just yourself.. very little negatice coments about LotN at the moment. Aside from some silly requests to reprint eyes of the dead and other shite :O) Ant

> Yes, not just yourself.. very little negatice coments about LotN at > the moment. > > Aside from some silly requests to reprint eyes of the dead and other > shite :O) > > Ant SILLY ?!? Yes of the Dead is the worst VTES card EVER, that has to be worth *somthing*, isn't it ? Just think of those new players who don't even own their Twisting the Knife... ;-) [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Pablo Picasso was an asshole! -- David Cherryholmes

Anthony Coleman <Bunti...@gmail.com> wrote in news:1190214823.1...@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com: > On Sep 19, 3:39 pm, Defender of Ra <ruleslaw...@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> I find the uncharacteristic lack of negative criticism I have for this >> set to be deeply disturbing. > > Yes, not just yourself.. very little negatice coments about LotN at > the moment. > I know, right? It seems like the spoiled LotN cards have hit the "sweet spot" on the power curve, more often than not. Powerful, but not overly so. Very nice to see. DZ AW

David Cherryholmes wrote: > Petri Wessman wrote: > > Yeah, I think the life of a repo man is about to get even more > > intense... :) > > > (yes, it's an obscure movie reference, but so true) > > Pablo Picasso was an asshole! "I know a life of crime led me to this sorry fate, but I blame society. Society made me what I am!" "Bullshit. You're a white suburban punk, just like me." - Ben Peal

On Sep 19, 12:01 pm, benp...@gmail.com wrote: > "I know a life of crime led me to this sorry fate, but I blame > society. Society made me what I am!" > > "Bullshit. You're a white suburban punk, just like me." "He was too, you boys. I installed two way mirrors in his pad in brentwood. He come to the door in a dress." What does this all mean? Not such an obscure reference... -Peter

[ quoted text not captured ] What's your name, kid? -Otto

On Sep 19, 10:53 am, Petri Wessman <or...@orava.org> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] "You're not a Commie, are you?" "No." "Good! 'Cause I don't want no Commies in my car...no Christians, either!" John Eno

[ quoted text not captured ] As a Paramedic, I love this card. Love it, love it, love it. "What about our relationship, Otto?" -dc

[ quoted text not captured ] "Let's go do more crimes!" - additionally, if they ever print Hendrix as a vamp, he should have a special like "a minion with an ambulance may burn hendrix in torpor as a +1 stealth action." - spore (has the metal-box license-plate edition) (nerd)

On Sep 19, 6:22 am, "Orpheus" <orpheus...@free.fr> wrote: > Had to do this one, 12 is my number... ;-) > > Ambulance > Vehicle > 1 pool > After a combat between this acting minion and a blocking minion, you may tap > the Ambulance to continue the action as if unblocked. If the action is > blocked again, burn this card. This minion may tap the Ambulance to attempt > to burn an incapacitated imbued as a +1 stealth action. A minion may have > only one vehicle. I forsee this making the Imbued much STRONGER. They can equip this with the Angel of Berlin. Now blocking one of their powers doesn't shut them down. Think about that. Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

[ quoted text not captured ] now you will have to beat them too! but hey if they nerf memories it will be not such difficult :D

[ quoted text not captured ] Can someone confirm whether the point about this burning not triggering the conviction damage effect is correct or not? LSJ?

On Sep 19, 3:02 pm, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > On Sep 19, 6:22 am, "Orpheus" <orpheus...@free.fr> wrote: > > > Had to do this one, 12 is my number... ;-) > > > Ambulance > > Vehicle > > 1 pool > > After a combat between this acting minion and a blocking minion, you may tap > > the Ambulance to continue the action as if unblocked. If the action is > > blocked again, burn this card. This minion may tap the Ambulance to attempt > > to burn an incapacitated imbued as a +1 stealth action. A minion may have > > only one vehicle. > > I forsee this making the Imbued much STRONGER. They can equip this > with the Angel of Berlin. Now blocking one of their powers doesn't > shut them down. Well, that kinda depends on circumstance. Like Mirror Image, if you're using a wake to block, the waking minion can just re-block with the same intercept (burning the Ambulance and wasting the Angel and the pool). Even if you weren't waking, you can play the wake on the now- tapped original blocker and re-block with the same intercept. I'm definitely liking the card, but I actually expect it'd be better for combat decks (or bruise-and-X decks). The same guy can only re- block you if he's still ready, and even if someone does block again, well, that just means you get to kill an extra minion, right? > Think about that. Oh, I am. I am. witness1

Blooded Sand wrote: > Can someone confirm whether the point about this burning not > triggering the conviction damage effect is correct or not? LSJ? http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=Checklist_NightsOfReckoning

On Sep 19, 9:06 pm, SPORE <sporemag...@hotmail.com> wrote: > spore (has the metal-box license-plate edition) > (nerd) Oh, you too? :D Ok, maybe it wasn't that obscure after all... ;) //Petri

In article <EFeIi.6029$FO2....@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: [ quoted text not captured ] Hmm. That doesn't actually confirm whether burning an Imbued with the Ambulance triggers the conviction damage effect. It is clear that if you take the zero stealth default "burn incapacitated Imbued" action, and succeed, you can get damaged by conviction. Is the action granted by the Ambulance the same action? Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html "Find hungry samurai." -The Old Man

On 19 Wrz, 22:07, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote: > In article <EFeIi.6029$FO2.4...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, > > LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Blooded Sand wrote: > > > Can someone confirm whether the point about this burning not > > > triggering the conviction damage effect is correct or not? LSJ? > > >http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=Checklist_NightsOfRecko... > > Hmm. That doesn't actually confirm whether burning an Imbued with the > Ambulance triggers the conviction damage effect. It is clear that if you > take the zero stealth default "burn incapacitated Imbued" action, and > succeed, you can get damaged by conviction. Is the action granted by the > Ambulance the same action? > > Peter D Bakija > p...@lightlink.comhttp://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html > > "Find hungry samurai." > -The Old Man it clearly is not default

On Sep 19, 4:07 pm, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote: > In article <EFeIi.6029$FO2.4...@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, > > LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > Blooded Sand wrote: > > > Can someone confirm whether the point about this burning not > > > triggering the conviction damage effect is correct or not? LSJ? > > >http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/index.php?line=Checklist_NightsOfRecko... > > Hmm. That doesn't actually confirm whether burning an Imbued with the > Ambulance triggers the conviction damage effect. It is clear that if you > take the zero stealth default "burn incapacitated Imbued" action, and > succeed, you can get damaged by conviction. Is the action granted by the > Ambulance the same action? It's also clear that if you take the default "burn an incapacitated imbued" action, you get their equipment, which ambulance does not explicity allow. Part of the reason this is unclear is that there's no rule term for the action-type (like there is for "diablerie"), which means that it's unclear if the Conviction rule is meant to apply to *any* action that specifically burns incapacitated imbued, or just the rule-action. I mean, it's pretty clear that you have to apply the consequences of diablerie whenever the card text indicates you're committing diablerie, but not on any other actions that burn torpored vampires (like Sacrificial Lamb, for example). witness1

In article <1190233571.1...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, AcheronNi...@gmail.com wrote: > it clearly is not default Well, yes, but what is unclear is if *any* action that burns an incapacitated Imbued (of which, off hand, I can think of two--the default one and the new one provided by Ambulance, which may or may not be the same) results in conviction punishment, or if only the default "burn incapacitated imbued as a zero stealth (D) action" gets you punished by conviction. 'Cause up till this point, it hasn't been an issue. Now it is an issue, and the rules seem vague. Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com [ quoted text not captured ]

On Sep 19, 10:47 pm, Peter D Bakija <p...@lightlink.com> wrote: > In article <1190233571.191823.240...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > > AcheronNightStal...@gmail.com wrote: > > it clearly is not default > > Well, yes, but what is unclear is if *any* action that burns an > incapacitated Imbued (of which, off hand, I can think of two--the > default one and the new one provided by Ambulance, which may or may not > be the same) results in conviction punishment, or if only the default > "burn incapacitated imbued as a zero stealth (D) action" gets you > punished by conviction. 'Cause up till this point, it hasn't been an > issue. Now it is an issue, and the rules seem vague. > > Peter D Bakija > p...@lightlink.comhttp://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html > > "Find hungry samurai." > -The Old Man Kinda what i was asking, and the relevant quote at that point did not answer my question. Call the action type pillowface (as it is already called that:). Does Ambulance count as a pillowface action?

[ quoted text not captured ] It is not the pillowface action, as witness1 has already noted (not being "that action" most primarily, just as superior Enchant Kindred is not the same action as inferior The Call, but also observable via the Ambulance action not bestowing equipment from the Imbued). Quincy's action is also not a pillowface action. And recruiting a War Ghoul and sacrificing an Imbued for it doesn't qualify as a pillowface action. Similarly, if Callirus burns a blood to burn a Memories of Mortality on him during his untap phase, he doesn't go to torpor. And if Ian has an Infernal Familiar and uses his own special ability to play Eyes of the Dead, the Familiar doesn't get an investment counter. And the inherent action to move Emissary is not the same action as a Shadow of Taint action to move it. And so on with the other parallels that have not been an issue until now.

In article <KKgIi.9950$924....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > It is not the pillowface action, as witness1 has already noted (not being > "that > action" most primarily, just as superior Enchant Kindred is not the same > action > as inferior The Call, but also observable via the Ambulance action not > bestowing > equipment from the Imbued). And yet still, the answer is not clearly written anywhere and is still kinda vague. You could continue to be oblique. Or you could just say "No, as it is not the same action, it does not invoke the conviction punishment." Yes. I realize that possibly the answer is logical enough such that your previous answer of an unexplained link should have been sufficient. But still, could it have hurt to have simply answered the question? Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com [ quoted text not captured ]

Peter D Bakija wrote: > In article <KKgIi.9950$924....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>, > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > >> It is not the pillowface action, as witness1 has already noted (not being >> "that >> action" most primarily, just as superior Enchant Kindred is not the same >> action >> as inferior The Call, but also observable via the Ambulance action not >> bestowing >> equipment from the Imbued). > > And yet still, the answer is not clearly written anywhere and is still > kinda vague. You could continue to be oblique. Or you could just say > "No, as it is not the same action, it does not invoke the conviction > punishment." Yes. I realize that possibly the answer is logical enough > such that your previous answer of an unexplained link should have been > sufficient. But still, could it have hurt to have simply answered the > question? No more than it could have hurt to examine the evidence to arrive at the answer.

> No more than it could have hurt to examine the evidence to arrive at the answer.- Hide quoted text - Well I suppose the thing is that cards which burn vampires generally (like Sacrificial Lamb) mention that "this is not considered diabliere" to avoid any possible confusion. As Ambulance doesn't, it can be seen as ambiguous I guess. --> J grail_pbem "at" hotmail.com

[ quoted text not captured ] Perhaps. But there are many examples of cards that omit (usu. for space reasons) redundant reminder text found on other cards. The absence of redundancy is not the same as ambiguity.

> Perhaps. But there are many examples of cards that omit (usu. for space reasons) > redundant reminder text found on other cards. The absence of redundancy is not > the same as ambiguity. I understand, just stating why people may be seeing ambiguity. [ quoted text not captured ]

> "What about our relationship, Otto?" "Screw that"

In article <zkiIi.9966$924....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>, LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > No more than it could have hurt to examine the evidence to arrive at the > answer. Sure. But as the guy whose job it is to answer questions, it often makes sense to just answer the question rather than being unnecessarily oblique. If for no other reason than it is a nice thing to do and is less likely to be misinterpreted. Especially in a situation where new ambiguous rules are being introduced. [ quoted text not captured ]

Peter D Bakija wrote: > In article <zkiIi.9966$924....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>, > LSJ <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> No more than it could have hurt to examine the evidence to arrive at the >> answer. > > Sure. But as the guy whose job it is to answer questions, it often makes > sense to just answer the question rather than being unnecessarily > oblique. If for no other reason than it is a nice thing to do and is > less likely to be misinterpreted. Especially in a situation where new > ambiguous rules are being introduced. I'll happily directly answer any question about any ambiguous situation, newly-introduced or no. For the non-ambiguous cases (see a recent thread about conceding), a "teach a man to fish" approach may well be better in the long term, even if it doesn't appear "nice" at first glance (as opposed to after examination).

> I'm definitely liking the card, but I actually expect it'd be better > for combat decks (or bruise-and-X decks). The same guy can only re- > block you if he's still ready, and even if someone does block again, > well, that just means you get to kill an extra minion, right? Sure. Bruise and bleed decks like it. But the fact that it gives you a "form of mist at super" type effect can be really useful for some other strategies that rely on being blocked and then doing other stuff. For example, I have a setitie, I bleed you with Social Charm. You block? No stealth, you got me. First I play Venenation, to give you a corruption counter. Now we're in combat, I play Majesty at super, SCE and untap. Combat is over; I tap my Ambulance, action continues. If you're still waking up or have another minion, sure, try to block; I Play my Lost in Crowds / Faceless Night / Elder Impersonation. Bleed goes through, I play Revelation of Desire to burn the corruption counter for +3 bleed. And hey guess what, my guy is untapped from Majesty! So I can go do something else... like um.... play Enticement. Yeah lose another 3 pool. Or say Aching Beuaty on a Toreador (Suzanne Kadim anyone?? I hear obf and +1 bleed are useful for bleeding, let alone dom). No need for change of target anymore, you can Beauty AND bleed them, in the same action. You block my Legal Manipulations, you lose pool from Aching Beauty, now I Majesty, tap ambulance and continue the bleed, Aire of Elation. That's what, 8 pool? With only one A.B.? Madness. Hopefully another dude tries to block again so you can make them burn more pool from A.B. and then stealth it with obf. Also she can play Aura Reading at basic before she majesties to see if they have flick (i.e. to stealth/aire or not to stealth/aire). Or PRO multi-rush but without the need to Psyche. Rumble or Taunt someone, if they block you, great! Earth Meld, tap Ambulance, continue the action to enter combat with them, beat the snot out of them, and you're untapped from the Earth Meld, so go rush someone else. Of course the trick won't really work more than a couple of times since people will just stop blocking your rushes. This card rocks. I'm sure people can think of more evil tricks with Ambulance. Any ideas?

> This card rocks. I'm sure people can think of more evil tricks with > Ambulance. Any ideas? Great for corruption. Corrupt someone, get blocked, Venenate them, tap the Ambulance, corrupt them anyway. Or the settites can now use the Form of Mist/Venenate/Revelation of Desire trick without needing PRO. Bleed, blocked, Venenate, S:CE, continue in ambulance and stealth it up to use Revelation for the uber bleed. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] Yep, I mentioned that one above. Another good Ambulance-Corruption (what a great name) strategy is with the new guy, Nakthorteb or whatever he's called. Bleed, if they block play Venenation, Majesty, tap the Ambulance. Oh wow that guy can't block me anymore because you have a corruption counter... someone else want to block? Stealth it past him. Untap from his special, play Enticement. Other funny stuff: "burn a blood to attempt to block" effects such as Dominion, Tenebrous Form (Lasombra Black Hand deck anyone?), "burn a blood before / during / after combat" effects like Darkness Within, totally whacky block stuff like Loose Cannon at thau (muahaha)... Auspex/Thaum/Obten seems to be pretty dripping with opportunities here; Shadow Twin someone, if they try to block play croc tongue, once in combat go darkness within and/or theft of vitae, after combat tap ambulance and Twin-ping them (probably into the bin). Also remember the great thing about Dominion is that the "burn a blood" thing is a requirement of a block attempt, not an effect, so if after combat they don't have any blood left they can't even attempt to block you if you tap the ambulance. There is probably a host of evil things that can be done with Mask1Kfaces too. E.g. vampire with scary combat bleeds, if someone blocks beat them up, tap the ambulance to continue the action, now someone with obf plays mask to continue the bleed. The first guy untaps and the process begins again. Actually that's an interesting question. I control Vampire A who has an ambulance and bleeds. He is blocked. After combat, he taps the ambulance to continue the action. Before block attempts can be made, my Vampire B who has obfuscate plays Mask of a Thousand Faces to continue the action. He then gets blocked. Does Vampire A's ambulance burn?

> Actually that's an interesting question. I control Vampire A who has > an ambulance and bleeds. He is blocked. After combat, he taps the > ambulance to continue the action. Before block attempts can be made, > my Vampire B who has obfuscate plays Mask of a Thousand Faces to > continue the action. He then gets blocked. Does Vampire A's ambulance > burn? IANLSJ, but I would say that it is burned. Ambulance mentions if this action is blocked again, not if this minion is blocked attempting this action again. I believe that Mask still treats it as the original action, but I could be wrong, and I can't be bothered looking it up. [ quoted text not captured ]

On the subject of Sutekh's Chosen, the natural combo is Hiereophant. That card was vexing: why would a stealth clan get a block penalty effect (though a strong one)? Now it finally comes together. Drop Hiereophants and an ambulance on Sutekh himself. Send a chump to Tempt your Predator's vampire. It gets blocked. Sutekh Masks in, Typhonics, Grapples, and slaps the victim with Cobra Fangs. The Hiereophant burns the target down to nil and the Fangs garauntees torpor. Any stealth card played by the previous minion can be re-played now because Sutekh is a different minion, so stealthing further is not a problem. The victim is Tempted and Truth of 1k Lies untaps. Not bad for a night's work. Venantion can be comboed with Revelation of Wrath, the most efficient (via number of tokens) way of getting Corruption on a foe. Nehsi comes in riding in an Ambulance having been given an Aus skill card, putting him at superior, laying down a Revelation of Ectasy and Weighing the Heart. Blocked, he resorts first to Crocodile's Tongue, then to Approximation of Loyalty, then to Venenation, and then to Revelation of Wrath. Sucking down damage with Fortitude, he wishes his opponent an overly-fond farewell and stealths the rest of the action through. 2 Blood, 1 Pool, at least 3 Corruption, one action. This can all combo with the Hiereophant stuff _and_ the Mask stuff, too. You could throw a _lot_ of Corruption in one action. FoS could go light on the Stealth; they have a lot of scary stuff they can do to blockers now. And if you can keep victims tapped, Regarhagan's Hold becomes obscene. Use Faceless and the cost of their Wakes/Qui/Forceds begin to mount.

On Sep 20, 3:19 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Peter D Bakija wrote: > > In article <zkiIi.9966$924.8...@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>, > > LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > >> No more than it could have hurt to examine the evidence to arrive at the > >> answer. > > > Sure. But as the guy whose job it is to answer questions, it often makes > > sense to just answer the question rather than being unnecessarily > > oblique. If for no other reason than it is a nice thing to do and is > > less likely to be misinterpreted. Especially in a situation where new > > ambiguous rules are being introduced. > > I'll happily directly answer any question about any ambiguous situation, > newly-introduced or no. > > For the non-ambiguous cases (see a recent thread about conceding), a "teach a > man to fish" approach may well be better in the long term, even if it doesn't > appear "nice" at first glance (as opposed to after examination). But it also does not lead to easy support for a ruling needed at a game if there is no definitive answer by the head judge, especially if the answer has to be translated into numerous languages, something far easier tpo do with a definite :It is x" type answer.

Dasein wrote: > Actually that's an interesting question. I control Vampire A who has > an ambulance and bleeds. He is blocked. After combat, he taps the > ambulance to continue the action. Before block attempts can be made, > my Vampire B who has obfuscate plays Mask of a Thousand Faces to > continue the action. He then gets blocked. Does Vampire A's ambulance > burn? Vampire B cannot Mask, since he didn't have the Ambulance that tapped. (Tapping the Ambulance is an effect that was applied to that action that could not have been applied if B had been the acting minion).

[ quoted text not captured ] Rulings are what we call the answers given to ambiguous cases. As I said, I readily offer those. I also offer rules text when no ruling is needed for a definitive answer (i.e., when rules text is sufficient to answer the question). 12 hours should have been enough time to examine the rules to arrive at the answer. But at any rate, the official rules allow 30 days to come up with the answer. As in this case, if players don't discern the answer themselves, a clarification is given well before the 30 days is up.

> Aside from some silly requests to reprint eyes of the dead and other > shite :O) What's wrong with you people? Why isn't my demand for an Eyes of the Dead expansion, featuring fifty variant-art versions of Eyes of the Dead, being taken seriously?

On Sep 19, 12:22 pm, "Orpheus" <orpheus...@free.fr> wrote: > Had to do this one, 12 is my number... ;-) > > Ambulance > Vehicle > 1 pool > After a combat between this acting minion and a blocking minion, you may tap > the Ambulance to continue the action as if unblocked. If the action is > blocked again, burn this card. This minion may tap the Ambulance to attempt > to burn an incapacitated imbued as a +1 stealth action. A minion may have > only one vehicle. "incapacitated imbued"???? :-) Is this **really** V:TES?

[ quoted text not captured ] Welcome to last year. There's a bunch of burn ally effects added in this set, and some cards that work well against imbued. This is one of them. What's your gripe? B

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. V:TES is a game about Methuselahs and their eternal struggle (and, as part of that, the various minions and other resources they employ in that struggle).

[ quoted text not captured ] Though rare, Imbued CAN become incapacitated. The most common way is to, when the player of the imbued deck steps away from the table for a smoke or to use the restroom, simply move one of their imbued to the "torpor" region. When the player returns to the table, if one of the other players is: A) particularly charismatic B) physically intimidating or C) that players ride home the imbued player can be convinced that the minion was incapacitated beforehand and that they simply don't recall it happening. After LotN is released, when the above scenario plays out another player can use Ambulance to burn that pesky sumbitch.

[ quoted text not captured ] I like that. I'll make a sig out of it. -- "The absence of redundancy is not the same as ambiguity." - LSJ, 20.09.2007