Q: Secret Horde

Secret Hordes says put 2X pool on it. Does that mean 2+the ammount you paid or twice the pool you paid? Thanx. ------------------------- Cambridge by Night. http://www.geocities.com/eryx_uk/Cambridge_by_night.html

Colin Goodman wrote: > Secret Hordes says put 2X pool on it. Does that mean 2+the ammount you paid or > twice the pool you paid? Only one answer makes any sense. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>Colin Goodman wrote: >> Secret Hordes says put 2X pool on it. Does that mean 2+the ammount you paid >or >> twice the pool you paid? > >Only one answer makes any sense. > To me, 2 + what you paid for it (X) is what makes sense. But last game I was told that it is twice what you paid (so 2x X). I can see it both ways, and would just like to know which is correct. [ quoted text not captured ]

LSJ expounded: > Colin Goodman wrote: > > Secret Hordes says put 2X pool on it. Does that mean 2+the ammount you paid or > > twice the pool you paid? > > Only one answer makes any sense. > Or to give you a helpful answer: twice the amount you pay. (Otherwise it would have said X+2 or 2+X)

Colin Goodman expounded: > >Colin Goodman wrote: > >> Secret Hordes says put 2X pool on it. Does that mean 2+the ammount you paid > >or > >> twice the pool you paid? > > > >Only one answer makes any sense. > > > > To me, 2 + what you paid for it (X) is what makes sense. But last game I was > told that it is twice what you paid (so 2x X). > > I can see it both ways, and would just like to know which is correct. If it was 2+X there would never be any point in paying anything other than 0.

Colin Goodman wrote: >>Colin Goodman wrote: >> >>>Secret Hordes says put 2X pool on it. Does that mean 2+the ammount you paid >> >>or >> >>>twice the pool you paid? >> >>Only one answer makes any sense. >> > > > To me, 2 + what you paid for it (X) is what makes sense. But last game I was > told that it is twice what you paid (so 2x X). > > I can see it both ways, and would just like to know which is correct. If it was 2+X, why would anyone choose X greater than 0? A: It's 2X (multiplication). [ quoted text not captured ]

Thankyou. I just wanted to check. [ quoted text not captured ]

colind...@aol.com (Colin Goodman) wrote in message news:<20031031142535...@mb-m04.aol.com>... > >Colin Goodman wrote: > >> Secret Hordes says put 2X pool on it. Does that mean 2+the ammount you paid > or > >> twice the pool you paid? > > > >Only one answer makes any sense. > > > > To me, 2 + what you paid for it (X) is what makes sense. But last game I was > told that it is twice what you paid (so 2x X). > > I can see it both ways, and would just like to know which is correct. Compare with Hidden Strength, which uses 'X+1' instead of '1X' to describe how much is prevented. Or better yet, Spiridonas: "Once each turn, Spiridonas can burn X+2 blood to get +X bleed for the current action." -John Flournoy

> Secret Hordes says put 2X pool on it. Does that mean 2+the ammount you paid >or twice the pool you paid? *blink* Go back to high school. Please. Take algebra. Nothing fancy. Just. Algebra. 2X means 2 times X. Always. That's basic mathematical notation. If it meants 2+X, it would say 2+X. *sighs* Fanboy

>*blink* > >Go back to high school. Please. Take algebra. Nothing fancy. > >Just. Algebra. > >2X means 2 times X. Always. That's basic mathematical notation. >If >it meants 2+X, it would say 2+X. 2X could also mean twenty-something. So if X = 5, 2X = 25... =P Halcyan 2

> 2X could also mean twenty-something. So if X = 5, 2X = 25... =P It'd be neat if it meant you appended the 2 as the most significant digit onto X...so say if you spent 10 pool for the secret horde, you'd have a 210 point secret horde :-D Albert

Timlagor <Timlagor...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message news:<MPG.1a0ccdbfc...@news.freeserve.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] If you play Secret Horde and pays 0 for it, it stays in play until you're ousted :P /Henrik

>> If it was 2+X there would never be any point in paying anything other >> than 0. Sure there would. Not a good one, but a reason all the same. If you pay 0, then it would have 2 counters for free. [ quoted text not captured ]

>>> If it was 2+X there would never be any point in paying anything other >>> than 0. > >Sure there would. Not a good one, but a reason all the same. How about paying more so you can lower your pool and Parity Shift? Halcyan 2

[ quoted text not captured ] No, it cannot. 2X just means 2 times varaible X. Nothing more, nothing less. Believe us mathematics/physics-users. Carl

> > 2X could also mean twenty-something. So if X = 5, 2X = 25... =P > > No, it cannot. > 2X just means 2 times varaible X. Nothing more, nothing less. > Believe us mathematics/physics-users. Unless, of course, you define it differently within the context of what you're doing...but that would just confuse everybody and make everybody want to smack you around. Albert

"Halcyan 2" <halc...@aol.com> wrote in message news:20031101012942...@mb-m21.aol.com... [ quoted text not captured ] If i remember correctly, Peter Bakija once won a game this way, no ? =)

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Albert Chang wrote: > Unless, of course, you define it differently within the context of what > you're doing...but that would just confuse everybody and make everybody want > to smack you around. Another C victim, it appears. David Cherryholmes Duke Radiology P.E.T. Facility (919) 684-7714 david.che...@duke.edu

Reyda wrote: > If i remember correctly, Peter Bakija once won a game this way, no ? =) I won a couple games that way--Secret Horde is one of the main weapons in the Parity Shift arsenal. You dial your pool down just low enough so that you oust your prey. On the other hand, if you miscount your prey's pool, and Secret Horde yourself down to exactly the same pool, you are screwed... To address the original poster's question, however, the reason LSJ said "there is only one answer that makes sense" does not have anything to do with the function of the card. It is a question of basic math notation. "2X" means "2 times X". It could not possibly mean anything else, using the math that we are all assumed to understand. If "2X" were to mean "2 plus X", it would not be written as "2X", but instead written as "2+X". It is standard math notation. It carries across many cards in the set. -Peter

I'm guessing I'm stuck with my old MtG playing mindset. In that game 2X would be 2+X. I never did algebra. I'm not clever enough for that. :-) [ quoted text not captured ]

> Another C victim, it appears. Nope, too much physics.

Colin wrote: > I'm guessing I'm stuck with my old MtG playing mindset. In that game 2X would > be 2+X. Well to be fair to math, in Magic, the only place where you ran into something akin to 2X being 2+X was in the casting cost of a spell, and in that case, it wasn't actually 2+X. It was a casting cost of, like, BBX, where B=1 Black Mana. That was not standard math notation, and was a werid kooky notation that was specific to Magic. On the other hand, I think there were at least a few spells where the effect text included something like "do 2X damage, where X is the mana spent" or something, where 2X meant "2 times X". -Peter

I think my head just exploded. I was working on Hypergeometric & Meijer G Functions when I started reading this thread... oh my god, there is blood everywhere... "Albert Chang" <na...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:bo0mlv$aua$1...@joe.rice.edu... [ quoted text not captured ]