rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

Stupid Deflection Tricks

5 messages from 3 participants · 30 March 1997 – 31 March 1997
original thread on Google Groups

JlB1925

If you attempt to block a vampire bleeding you and that vampire plays Faceless Night, do you have time to play a Deflection before your vampire taps? And, if so, do you still have to tap for the Faceless if your Deflection was superior? --- Liam Burke "Only a Malkavian would attack Cthulhu with laughing gas..." -overheard

Mike Mirathe

[ quoted text not captured ] > -overheardFirst is always the acting minion, second the reacting minion. If you choose to block the bleed-attempt, the acting minion is free to play faceless night. You are instantly tapped (he is first) and you can't play deflection (or have to play Wake of E.F. to do so). If you choose not to block the bleed, feel free to deflect it. This is, at least, my opinion. A related situation occurs if the acting minion wants to bleed and is blocked. The acting minion wants to use superior Kiss of Ra and send the blocker to torpor instantly, the reacting minion wants to play superior Obedience to untap and leave the acting minion tapped. My opinion is: The acting minion wins, the reacting minion goes to torpor, even if the reacting player is able to announce his reaction before the acting player (sometimes players are pretty slow to decide what to do). The acting player has the right to act first. Michael Beer, Dortmund, Germany

JlB1925

>You are instantly tapped (he is first) Well, actually, the card says I tap if the block fails, and the rulebook says I tap even if the block succeeds. Nothing says I tap in the middle of attempting to block. (semantics...) But, regardless, you can play reactions at any time, right? So I can fit the Deflection in between tapping and Faceless Night. [ quoted text not captured ]

L. Scott Johnson

JlB1925 wrote: > > If you attempt to block a vampire bleeding you and that vampire plays > Faceless Night, do you have time to play a Deflection before your vampire > taps? And, if so, do you still have to tap for the Faceless if your > Deflection was superior? Yes. Yes. Faceless Night doesn't tap the would-be blocker until the action ends (is ultimately blocked or successful). While superior Deflection wouldn't tap the reacting vampire, it does nothing to keep him untapped, so Faceless Night would still leave him tapped for having attempted to block. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

L. Scott Johnson

Mike Mirathe wrote: > JlB1925 wrote: > > If you attempt to block a vampire bleeding you and that vampire plays > > Faceless Night, do you have time to play a Deflection before your vampire > > taps? And, if so, do you still have to tap for the Faceless if your > > Deflection was superior? > If you choose to block the bleed-attempt, the acting minion is free > to play faceless night. You are instantly tapped (he is first) and you > can't play deflection (or have to play Wake of E.F. to do so). Incorrect. Faceless Night doesn't tap the would-be blocker until the action resolves or is blocked. > A related situation occurs if the acting minion wants to bleed and > is blocked. The acting minion wants to use superior Kiss of Ra and send > the blocker to torpor instantly, the reacting minion wants to play > superior Obedience to untap and leave the acting minion tapped. > > My opinion is: The acting minion wins, the reacting minion goes to > torpor, even if the reacting player is able to announce his reaction > before the acting player (sometimes players are pretty slow to decide > what to do). The acting player has the right to act first. Correct. The acting player always has first opportunity to play any effects. [ quoted text not captured ]