Question on Blockers

The scenario: Meth A bleeds Meth B. Meth B declines the block. Meth A throws a Conditioning on the bleed. Meth B deflects the bleed to Meth C. Meth C deflects the bleed back to Meth B. Can meth B now block? Does his initial decline to block carry over, or no? noods

[ quoted text not captured ] Yes. If the target of an action changes (such as in this case with multiple Deflections), a new blocking opportunity ensues. Halcyan 2

nood...@iprimus.net.au (noodleboy) wrote in message news:<e72ec49.03061...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Yes, he can block. See http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/rulings.html Blocking: If the target of a directed action is reset, a new "choose blockers" opportunity results. [RTR 19970630] Hardy Range Prince of Bochum, Germany http://www.vekn.de

halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote in message news:<20030612231236...@mb-m11.aol.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] Hi there, Not meaning to question your wisdom or anything,but are you sure of this? To me, this seems like a bizar interpretation of the "new blocking opportunity". My guess would be that once you decline to block a certain action, you've declined to block *that action* period.Regardless of what happens to it afterwards. And I remember quite a few opportunities where I've seen such occasions ruled in this way. What you're saying is this: -Muddled Vampire hunter comes to bleed you for 0. -You decline to block this bleed action -Ozmo plays Mask of a 1000 Faces+conditioning -You deflect (since you can't block, cause you've declined)the bleed to your prey -your prey sends it back 2U,and now you can block Ozmo Talk about counterintuitive, no? You've already got past the stage where someone turned out to be too invisible for you, and then, just because someone else doesn't want to get beaten up by the invisble man, you get another chance of seeing him? Or is it just me? Jo

wolflord wrote: > halc...@aol.com (Halcyan 2) wrote in message news:<20030612231236...@mb-m11.aol.com>... >>Yes. If the target of an action changes (such as in this case with multiple >>Deflections), a new blocking opportunity ensues. > > Not meaning to question your wisdom or anything,but are you sure of > this? Halcyan2 is correct. > To me, this seems like a bizar interpretation of the "new blocking > opportunity". It is precisely what the phrase was used/intended to convey. > My guess would be that once you decline to block a certain action, > you've declined to block *that action* period.Regardless of what > happens to it afterwards. > And I remember quite a few opportunities where I've seen such > occasions ruled in this way. > What you're saying is this: > -Muddled Vampire hunter comes to bleed you for 0. > -You decline to block this bleed action > -Ozmo plays Mask of a 1000 Faces+conditioning > -You deflect (since you can't block, cause you've declined)the bleed > to your prey So now Ozmo goes strolling out of your neighbor and wanders off to plunder your prey. Your prey sees Ozmo coming and mobilizes his minions to defend (or not). > -your prey sends it back 2U,and now you can block Ozmo So now Ozmo goes strolling out of your prey's neighbor and wanders off to plunder you. You see Ozmo coming and mobilize your minions to defend (or not). > Talk about counterintuitive, no? No. > You've already got past the stage where someone turned out to be too > invisible for you, and then, just because someone else doesn't want to > get beaten up by the invisble man, you get another chance of seeing > him? No one is invisible in the scenario you provide. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>Hi there, >Not meaning to question your wisdom or anything,but are you sure of >this? >To me, this seems like a bizar interpretation of the "new blocking >opportunity". >My guess would be that once you decline to block a certain action, >you've declined to block *that action* period.Regardless of what >happens to it afterwards. >And I remember quite a few opportunities where I've seen such >occasions ruled in this way. >What you're saying is this: >-Muddled Vampire hunter comes to bleed you for 0. >-You decline to block this bleed action >-Ozmo plays Mask of a 1000 Faces+conditioning >-You deflect (since you can't block, cause you've declined)the bleed >to your prey >-your prey sends it back 2U,and now you can block Ozmo > >Talk about counterintuitive, no? >You've already got past the stage where someone turned out to be too >invisible for you, and then, just because someone else doesn't want to >get beaten up by the invisble man, you get another chance of seeing >him? > >Or is it just me? LSJ has already answered about the counter-intuitiveness, but i would just like to point out that it is quite necessary for new block opportunity to arise after deflecting, otherwise no one would ever be able to block a deflected bleed. don't forget that some effects, like Eagle's Sight, allow you to block actions that you could not normally block because of prey/predator/target restrictions. because of this, it might be necessary to ask other Methuselahs if they *do* block an action not directed at them. scenario: - Meth A bleeds Meth B - B declines to block - A ask around the table (clockwise, i believe), if people want to block (via Eagle's Sight, for example). among others, Meth C declines to block. - A plays Conditioning - B deflects the bleed to Meth C if deflecting didn't result in a new opportunity to block, C would have to bite the bullet and wouldn't be able to block, having already declined to do so once. -- charles lechasseur - da...@novideospamtron.ca

>don't forget that some effects, like Eagle's Sight, allow you to block >actions that you could not normally block because of prey/predator/target >restrictions. because of this, it might be necessary to ask other >Methuselahs if they *do* block an action not directed at them. scenario: Correct, it's generally a good idea to ask "anyone else want to block," especially if there's AUS, SPI, Anneke, and/or Enzo on the table. Halcyan 2