Mono Blockers

Hello All, My new building obsession has become Single minion walls, and I must say that I am having a lot of fun, with hordes of weenies, I build a wall as high as my grand prey's ready region. One issue I keep encountering, that honestly is driving me nuts is Elder Impersonation. Seduction. Does anyone have any strategies for dealing with these cards? Elder Imp with Forgotten Lab is nigh impossible to stop, and I can't pack enough DI's into the deck. I have considered, and even played with an additional static intercept blocker, but then I get seduction and forgotten lab at the same time. I am half tempted to put a little chimestry in for Drabas... All opinions welcome, although I am sure several will not be helpful : )

David Wilson wrote: > Does anyone have any strategies for dealing with these cards? Elder Imp > with Forgotten Lab is nigh impossible to stop, and I can't pack enough DI's > into the deck. Since you mentioned Forgotten Labyrinth, I'm going to assume bleeds aren't the problem here. That leaves votes, and whackiness. For the votes, I'd say pack more Delaying Tactics. Yeah, DT is not especially good as vote defense per se, but it's top notch for making the voter blow all kinds of action mods that he may not have in hand the next time around. For the whackiness, add more Secure Havens. Beyond that, I think it's just one of the many weaknesses you have to live with if you go mono-vamp. It's always going to be a fragile affair, you know. BTW, since you mentioned Draba.... I've got a Spider Killer wallish deck right now that slaps on an AUS skill card for the superior Nightmare Curse and Draba/Eagle's Sight. His +1 stealth special means you don't have to waste as many card slots supporting the actions he does take. -- -- David Cherryholmes david.che...@duke.edu

"David Wilson" wrote: > One issue I keep encountering, that > honestly is driving me nuts is > > Elder Impersonation. A card that I've been thinking about, which really shouldn't see play any other time -- Pseudo-Blindness. Reeeeeeal corner-case, but still. Doesn't stop Calls from the Hungry Dead, doesn't stop -- > Seduction. Um, put Fata Amria on their minions? : ) --heslin, not a lot of help PS: Dave, you or any of the MI crew who want to network for Qualifier lodging, please let me know. Looking forward to seeing you in our time zone!

> Since you mentioned Forgotten Labyrinth, I'm going to assume bleeds > aren't the problem here. That leaves votes, and whackiness. For the > votes, I'd say pack more Delaying Tactics. Yeah, DT is not especially > good as vote defense per se, but it's top notch for making the voter > blow all kinds of action mods that he may not have in hand the next time > around. For the whackiness, add more Secure Havens. Beyond that, I > think it's just one of the many weaknesses you have to live with if you > go mono-vamp. It's always going to be a fragile affair, you know. I don't have such a problem with the votes, I am running atonement, and the FL takes it out, kinda a nuisance. I run a Vox Domini and DI mainly for votes, plus +1 intercept is abundant. Here is a question, Shilmulo Deception, If the vampire is seduced, they technically can't play the reaction cards to gain the intercept, so I think that will not work. Thoughts? David [ quoted text not captured ]

Matt, > PS: Dave, you or any of the MI crew who want to > network for Qualifier lodging, please let me know. > Looking forward to seeing you in our time zone! Yeah, that is coming up soon, April 17th if my website is to be believed, shit, I'll get on it soon, David > >

David Wilson wrote: > Hello All, > > My new building obsession has become Single minion walls, and I must say > that I am having a lot of fun, with hordes of weenies, I build a wall as > high as my grand prey's ready region. One issue I keep encountering, that > honestly is driving me nuts is > > Elder Impersonation. > Seduction. > > Does anyone have any strategies for dealing with these cards? Elder Imp > with Forgotten Lab is nigh impossible to stop, and I can't pack enough DI's > into the deck. Well, the more you play up the mono-blocker angle, the more you're going to see those cards, since mono-blockers is what they're there for. That being said: Iron Heart can stop a Seduction being played, but limits your crypt choice, mostly to people who aren't good mono-blockers. Draba. Even if you can't block, your mono-blocker, or some other CHI weenie, can negate the effects of a Forgotten Labyrinth and let another weenie block. You should have plenty of disposable weenies. Elder Michaelis's Hold. Can be played by any old weenie, and will definitely put a crimp in their Elder Impersonating if they have to spend two blood to do it. Psuedo-Blindness also stops Elder Impersonation and Forgotten Labyrinth. --Colin McGuigan

> David Wilson wrote: > > > Does anyone have any strategies for dealing with these cards? Elder Imp > > with Forgotten Lab is nigh impossible to stop, and I can't pack > enough DI's > > into the deck. How many sudden reversals do you have? You're in deep trouble if someone has used a pentex subversion against your single vamp. If that's the problem, I suggest that you should also pack some Golcondas. :-)

While on the subject of Draba, I'd consider Omaya as your vamp of choice. The weenies are Ravnos, who not only have Draba, but also Animalism for some nice support actions, and ANI combat is nothing to sneeze at, short of S:CE. ani CHI weenies.. drop a week at some point, bleeed, bleed bleed.

Oh yes, and then, if youre going just ANI wall route, there's Danielle Diron. 1 vote for the bribes, ANI FOR and most importantly.. inferior Chimerstry. Of course, you will need to teach the Chimerstry on her, but hey, cant have it all can you. And while youre at CHI, you could reduce the amount of blocking you need to do. That's right. Sensory Deprivation, baby. Hmmh. That damn Spider-Killer seems even better idea, with that involved.

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:54:35 -0500, "David Wilson" <d o r o s @ u m i c h . e d u> scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] go Ravnos, and use Resilient Mind and Pseudo-Blindness. assuming resilient mind does what i recall it to do....(immune to dom dem ser?) salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:46:32 -0500, "David Wilson" <d o r o s @ u m i c h . e d u> scrawled: >Here is a question, Shilmulo Deception, If the vampire is seduced, they >technically can't play the reaction cards to gain the intercept, so I think >that will not work. Thoughts? Shilmulo Deception: this vampire is now the blocking minion Seduction: that vampire can't block. so i think it's more the direct interaction that stops it more than the indirect 'couldn't have played cards' effect. after all, unless you are attempting to block you're not allowed to play intercept, so by that no one could play shilmulo if intercept's been played. [ quoted text not captured ]

salem wrote: > Shilmulo Deception: this vampire is now the blocking minion > > Seduction: that vampire can't block. > > so i think it's more the direct interaction that stops it Correct. A Seduced vampire cannot become the blocking minion. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

>go Ravnos, and use Resilient Mind and Pseudo-Blindness. >assuming resilient mind does what i recall it to do....(immune to dom >dem ser?) Unfortunately onlycombat and action cards with dom, dem, ser and obe, so it doesn't work against seduction :( I fear, blessing of Chaos wouldn't work as well since the Seduction is allready played when you get the chance to declare a block Iron Heart would help at [PRE][POT] against Seduction, but it still leaves Call of the Hungry Dead for which I know no counter :( But for Pseudo Blindness and Iron Heart, I would recommend Jeremy MacNeil with a Chimestry Skill Card.. he also has AUS for Intercept :) -- Holger Christiansen Domain of Bochum, Germany

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 10:07:12 +0100, Holger Christiansen <silve...@arcor.de> wrote: >But for Pseudo Blindness and Iron Heart, I would recommend Jeremy >MacNeil with a Chimestry Skill Card.. he also has AUS for Intercept :) I just realized that your Blocker needn't be the one who plays Iron Heart.. you could use another vampire for that like Sela who could bleed for 4 with Iron Glare if you don't need her fpr cancelling, so you can use essentially any vampire with [chi] as your mono-Blocker, as long as you have someone with [PRE][POT] against the seductions (and the Conditionings, Threads and Bondings for what that matters) Migueal Santo Domingo would be a nice one for that, since he can boost your other Sabbat Minions Bleeds.. but he is 7-cap, so maybe a bit big for a pure support vampire :( [ quoted text not captured ]

Colin McGuigan <magu...@BGONEspeakeasy.net> wrote: > That being said: > > Iron Heart can stop a Seduction being played, but limits your crypt > choice, mostly to people who aren't good mono-blockers. > > Draba. Even if you can't block, your mono-blocker, or some other CHI > weenie, can negate the effects of a Forgotten Labyrinth and let another > weenie block. You should have plenty of disposable weenies. Jeremy Mc Neil. cel chi AUS POT PRE. Advanced version can also make peremptory strikes agains would-be bleeders :) -Antero

> "David Wilson" <d o r o s @ u m i c h . e d u> wrote in message > > Elder Impersonation. > Seduction. > > Does anyone have any strategies for dealing with these cards? Elder Imp > with Forgotten Lab is nigh impossible to stop, and I can't pack enough DI's > into the deck. Hey Dave, I've been primarily playing Jack-wall decks with various AUS/FOR vamps as the mono-blockers for about the last 2 months now so here's my experience. Seduction and Elder Impersonation/Call of the Hungry Dead are the banes of the deck's concept and in my experience there isn't really much you can do besides try to play with multiple potential blockers. I played Tariq/Tegyrius/Matthias and found that with Matthias'inherent intercept and some other generic permacept (winthrop and bikes) I was able to keep the danger of "you don't block" cards to a minimum because each minion tended to have 1-2 intercept without playing cards. Now, I didn't see Forgotten Lab that much, but I did face off with two S&B predators in my last tournament that consistently generated 3 stealth on most actions coupled with Elder Impersonation & Seduction "don't block" effects and while it wasn't pleasant, I did match them pound for pound with transient intercept. The real problem was the first few turns of the game before I got my permacept/other minions out. For that problem I can only reccomend some sort of transfer acceleration strategy. Weenies are nice and very useful for a wall deck to apply forward pressure, but in general they can't generate the kind of intercept you need to block someone who's going whole hog with stealth and "don't block" effects. Sorry I don't have better advice. Aramis PS. Maris Streck, while not a typical mono-blocker, does quite well in this situation because she can reduce the stealth for others even if she herself is prevented from blocking via Seduction/EI/CotHD. I'm more than eager to see people break her ability... :)

>PS. Maris Streck, while not a typical mono-blocker, does quite well >in this situation because she can reduce the stealth for others even >if she herself is prevented from blocking via Seduction/EI/CotHD. I'm >more than eager to see people break her ability... :) HELL HOUNDS!!! =D Halcyan 2