Challenge: Get Beast into the Camarilla

There are plenty of ways to make non-cam vampires seem like Cam vampires, or actually become them; Writ of Acceptance, "Invitation Accepted" type votes, Clan Impersonation... But there's at least one vampire who is unable to change sect as far as I can tell, and I'm wondering if there's a clever way to do it. Beast, Leatherface of Detroit Is there a card I haven't seen, which allows a !Nos (or general Sabbat vampire) to become Camarilla, without an Action or Equipment? Or are there any "tricks"? Such as a card that would make him Caitiff or something? Don't ask "Why would you want to do such a thing?" That's not the point. I'm just wondering if it's possible. Any ideas?

Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: > But there's at least one vampire who is unable to > change sect as far as I can tell, and I'm wondering > if there's a clever way to do it. > > Beast, Leatherface of Detroit Hrm. Good challenge. > Is there a card I haven't seen, which allows a !Nos (or > general Sabbat vampire) to become Camarilla, without an > Action or Equipment? To be honest, I don't think there is. > Or are there any "tricks"? Such as a card that would make him > Caitiff or something? Closest I can get is making him into a Pander with Unacceptable Appearance. > Don't ask "Why would you want to do such a thing?" > That's not the point. I'm just wondering if it's possible. As a person who takes every opportunity to exploit any loophole in the game for the most bizarre combos possible, competitive or otherise, I would never presume to question a man's motives in trying to do the impossible. That's what keeps the game fun after playing it for seven years. That said, I can't think of a single way to do it. Regards, Noal McDonald Prince of Metro Detroit, MI -- "I was probably pretty young, when I realised that I had come from what you might call a family, a clan, a race, maybe even a species, of pure sons of bitches." --Faulkner, "The Mansion" Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/

This might be a question for LSJ.. There are ways of transferring equipment between minions, without the receiving minion taking an action. If another minion was somehow able to transfer a Writ of Acceptance onto Beast, would it affect him? Would its effect count as "Using" Equipment? Hmm.. side question, but somewhat related: Can an Ally carry a Writ of Acceptance, as a useless piece of equipment? The _vampire_ carrying it is considered a Camarilla vampire.. But does that mean that Allies can't hold onto it, even if it has no effect?

Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: > This might be a question for LSJ.. > There are ways of transferring equipment between minions, without > the receiving minion taking an action. > If another minion was somehow able to transfer a Writ of Acceptance > onto Beast, would it affect him? Would its effect count as "Using" > Equipment? Card text on Beast: "He cannot have or use equipment or retainers." > Hmm.. side question, but somewhat related: > Can an Ally carry a Writ of Acceptance, as a useless piece of > equipment? The _vampire_ carrying it is considered a Camarilla > vampire.. But does that mean that Allies can't hold onto it, even > if it has no effect? The ally can hold it, yes. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) VTES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/ [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <9BTg6.2458$H_3.6...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, Jozxyqk <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote: > This might be a question for LSJ.. > There are ways of transferring equipment between minions, without > the receiving minion taking an action. > If another minion was somehow able to transfer a Writ of Acceptance > onto Beast, would it affect him? Would its effect count as "Using" > Equipment? Nope, won't work; "He [Beast] cannot have or use equipment or retainers." The only thing I thought might work is somehow transferring a Clan Impersonation onto Beast, since although Beast "cannot perform action-card actions," there is no restriction on having them on him if they can somehow be placed on him without Beast perfoming the action himself. Unfortunately I don't think there's a way to do this; even Succubus Club won't allow it (it transfers the ownership of the card to another Methuselah, but the card remains on the original minion): "Non-equipment, non-retainer, minion cards (like Ablative skin) can be traded, but will remain on the original minion. Control of the card changes. Mostly this results in: "no effect" (until the controller is ousted, of course). [LSJ 19980128] "). However, if a card emerged which could transfer minion cards such as CI, I think it would be legal for Beast to obtain a card in such a manner (at least with his current card text; I suspect he may be errata'd to remove this loophole if such a card was produced). - Rafe [ quoted text not captured ]