Question

If I have someone in Torpor, can I bring the same vamp out of my uncontrolled region, contest myself, and then give-up the vamp in Torpor my next turn? You CAN contest yourself...correct? So, this should be legal.

Ken Mikolaj (ke...@eden.com) wrote: : If I have someone in Torpor, can I bring the same vamp out of my : uncontrolled region, contest myself, and then give-up the vamp in Torpor : my next turn? You CAN contest yourself...correct? So, this should be legal. Officially: Yes. Unofficially: Most serious (and even not-so-serious) players would not appreciate that sort of rules-munchkinizing. Shane H.W. Travis | Should we raise a generation of literate Americans, tra...@duke.usask.ca | very little of America as we know it would survive. Saskatoon, Saskatchewan | --Richard Mitchell

In article <42r7ge$4...@tribune.usask.ca>, Shane Travis <tra...@duke.usask.ca> wrote: >Ken Mikolaj (ke...@eden.com) wrote: >: If I have someone in Torpor, can I bring the same vamp out of my >: uncontrolled region, contest myself, and then give-up the vamp in Torpor >: my next turn? You CAN contest yourself...correct? So, this should be legal. > >Officially: Yes. > >Unofficially: Most serious (and even not-so-serious) players would not > appreciate that sort of rules-munchkinizing. I'm a fairly serious player, and I'd appreciate it. What's he gained? A vampire of capacity X leaves torpor, filled to capacity. What's he lost? X+1 pool, and a slot in his crypt. What if he had put a different vampire of capacity X in that slot? Well, now he'd have that vampire out and filled, a vampire in torpor that he can go rescue if the opportunity presents itself, and one more pool than he had in the other scenario. Hunter -- J. Hunter Johnson jhun...@io.com (Illuminati Online) "Eventually, all school subjects at all grades will be taught with GURPS supplements." -- Moriah (Mike Sullivan)

In article <Pine.BSD/.3.91.9509081655...@matrix.eden.com>, Ken Mikolaj <ke...@eden.com> says: > >If I have someone in Torpor, can I bring the same vamp out of my >uncontrolled region, contest myself, and then give-up the vamp in Torpor >my next turn? You CAN contest yourself...correct? So, this should be legal. WELL.....Since I play with Ken on a regular basis, I just HAVE to weigh in on this one. Ken, come on!!! How can you possibly contest a vampire with yourself? Contesting is based on 1 Methuselah struggling for the loyalty and service for the vampire over another meth. You simply cannot say "Well, I'll give you the prime pickings of the hunting grounds if you desert ME to serve ME for now on." However, I've been wrong before (Ken can give you all numerous examples), but this just doesn't make sense. Mike

Mike, In the rule book, it mentions that you should take care not to contest yourself. Therefore, it must be possible!

[ quoted text not captured ] In response to Ken "Mr. Loophole" Mikolaj <g>, I say: yeah, yeah, so it does. However, that SHOULD only apply to equipment and such, IMHO. So there are a few silly rules. I still think we should not abide them in local games. Like that rule on: "Hey, I stole the Sengir Dagger from Brent but he's ousted now so the equipment vaporizes." HUH?!?! Mike

J. Hunter Johnson (jhun...@io.com) wrote: : I'm a fairly serious player, and I'd appreciate it. What's he gained? : A vampire of capacity X leaves torpor, filled to capacity. What's he : lost? X+1 pool, and a slot in his crypt. What if he had put a different : vampire of capacity X in that slot? Well, now he'd have that vampire : out and filled, a vampire in torpor that he can go rescue if the : opportunity presents itself, and one more pool than he had in the other : scenario. Well actually in some of our games we've been able to do quite a lot of funny things with Malk Dementia, then contesting yourself and then giving the other one up... Example: I've got a Gilbert Duane, which my predator controls with a Malk Dementia and comes in for a bleed, forcing me to torporize him with a Basilia. During his Influence he brings *another* Gilbert Duane in from his uncontrolled and simply says, 'hey, I've contested myself. I don't wanna do that. So I'll just give your Gilbert away'. Now imagine my expression there... Anyway, the appliction of the rules does seem a bit ambiguous there - though I haven't been able to spot anything illegal in it. Any official ruling on this, anyone? -- The Coffee-Drinker

In article <4343d8$r...@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, Janne Korpi <jko...@pcu.helsinki.fi> wrote: >J. Hunter Johnson (jhun...@io.com) wrote: >: I'm a fairly serious player, and I'd appreciate it. What's he gained? >: A vampire of capacity X leaves torpor, filled to capacity. What's he >: lost? X+1 pool, and a slot in his crypt. What if he had put a different >: vampire of capacity X in that slot? Well, now he'd have that vampire >: out and filled, a vampire in torpor that he can go rescue if the >: opportunity presents itself, and one more pool than he had in the other >: scenario. > >Well actually in some of our games we've been able to do quite a lot of >funny things with Malk Dementia, then contesting yourself and then >giving the other one up... > [Example] Well, Hunter was addressing the issue of bringing a minion out of Torpor by contesting it with oneself, so the point is still valid. Also, until recently (09/06/95), this method of hosing a Malkavian wasn't allowed (and rightfully so, since card text prohibits the Dement-Contest-Yield festival). But the DT, ingrained with Mt$ munkinized rulings, felt like tormenting another aspect of the rules in an attempt to keep all current and prospective players confused. -- ----- L. Scott Johnson (lsc...@crl.com) | The opinions expressed are mine Graphics Specialist and Jyhad Rulemonger | and subject to card text