Nightstick + Lamb Into

Nightstick [LotN:U] Cardtype: Equipment Cost: 1 pool Melee weapon. Strike: strength+1 damage. Or strike: prevent 3 damage [to this striking minion] from the opposing minion's next hand or melee weapon strike this round (including any currently-resolving hand or melee weapon strike). Only usable once each round. Lam Into [TR:C] Cardtype: Combat Discipline: Fortitude/Potence/Vicissitude Requires an anarch. Do not replace until after combat. Strike: hand strike or use a melee weapon strike. [for] This strike is at +1 damage, with an optional maneuver. [pot] This strike is at +2 damage. [vic] This strike is at +1 damage, with an optional press. If another round of combat occurs, range is automatically close. Two questions: 1) If I play Lamb Into as a strike using Nightstick, can I use it with the Strike: Prevent 3 damage to do damage and prevent? 2) Do you have to announce which of the two Nightstick strikes you are using as you announce that you are striking with a Nightstick via Lamb Into? Thanks, Brandon

Note: the card is "Lam Into", not "Lamb Into", as your quoted text supports. > Two questions: > 1) If I play Lamb Into as a strike using Nightstick, can I use it with > the Strike: Prevent 3 damage to do damage and prevent? No. The damage prevention strike is a specific strike, as is Lam Into, or any other strike card. > 2) Do you have to announce which of the two Nightstick strikes you are > using as you announce that you are striking with a Nightstick via Lamb > Into? You would have to declare which option you're using if you had a choice, but you don't. Jesse

In message <aa50ef18-2fca-4cc7...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroup s.com>, jcrossn...@gmail.com writes: >> Two questions: >> 1) If I play Lam Into as a strike using Nightstick, can I use it with >> the Strike: Prevent 3 damage to do damage and prevent? > >No. The damage prevention strike is a specific strike, as is Lam Into, >or any other strike card. Incorrect. Lam Into tells you to Strike: use a melee weapon strike, so you can any strike provided by the melee weapon. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/2c4dc6f9eda1853f LSJ, replying to Meej asking about Nightstick's prevent damage strike: *** > Could you use Undead Strength to add damage to it? You could select the non-damage-dealing strike when using the melee weapon Nightstick with Undead Strength, sure. As always, adding damage to a strike that doesn't deal damage has no effect, so the strike still won't do damage. *** So you can play it and use the card, but it won't usually do you any good - you'll just get a Prevent 3 damage strike. This may be useful if you have a hand stuffed with Undead Strength but don't actually want to hurt the minion e.g. you've blocked a bounce. >> 2) Do you have to announce which of the two Nightstick strikes you >> are using as you announce that you are striking with a Nightstick via >> Lam Into? > >You would have to declare which option you're using if you had a >choice, but you don't. Incorrect - you do have the choice, as above, and you would declare it when you chose your strike. -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

James Coupe wrote: > In message <aa50ef18-2fca-4cc7...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroup > s.com>, jcrossn...@gmail.com writes: >>> Two questions: >>> 1) If I play Lam Into as a strike using Nightstick, can I use it with >>> the Strike: Prevent 3 damage to do damage and prevent? >> No. The damage prevention strike is a specific strike, as is Lam Into, >> or any other strike card. > > Incorrect. Lam Into tells you to Strike: use a melee weapon strike, so > you can any strike provided by the melee weapon. > Hmm, isn't there a generic rule that damage-enhancing effects require the strike to be damage-dealing to begin with? I don't recall Casino Reeds being able to inflict 1 damage while destroying a weapon with superior Canine Horde. Sten ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

In message <d48e8$4860afe9$99...@news.teranews.com>, Sten During <ya...@netg.se> writes: >James Coupe wrote: >> In message <aa50ef18-2fca-4cc7...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroup >> s.com>, jcrossn...@gmail.com writes: >>>> Two questions: >>>> 1) If I play Lam Into as a strike using Nightstick, can I use it with >>>> the Strike: Prevent 3 damage to do damage and prevent? >>> No. The damage prevention strike is a specific strike, as is Lam Into, >>> or any other strike card. >> >> Incorrect. Lam Into tells you to Strike: use a melee weapon strike, so >> you can any strike provided by the melee weapon. >> > >Hmm, isn't there a generic rule that damage-enhancing effects require >the strike to be damage-dealing to begin with? To have any effect, yes. LSJ's quote, and the rest of my post, explained this - you can play it, it just won't do you any good usually. The usual examples are: - Increased Strength on a Shattering Blow - no damage increase - Increased Strength on a Fractured Armament superior - yes, damage increase because it has a damage component - Undead Strength with a Rowan Ring - no damage - Theft of Vitae by Reverend Blackwood - steal blood, no damage However, as in the Undead Strength/Rowan Ring case, you can *play* Undead Strength. It's just going to be useless (except for cycling, and other such fripperies). >I don't recall Casino >Reeds being able to inflict 1 damage while destroying a weapon with >superior Canine Horde. Right. The damage special tries to add to non-existent damage, and has no effect - like Reverend and Theft. [ quoted text not captured ]

James Coupe wrote: > In message <aa50ef18-2fca-4cc7...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroup > s.com>, jcrossn...@gmail.com writes: >>> Two questions: >>> 1) If I play Lam Into as a strike using Nightstick, can I use it with >>> the Strike: Prevent 3 damage to do damage and prevent? >> No. The damage prevention strike is a specific strike, as is Lam Into, >> or any other strike card. > > Incorrect. Lam Into tells you to Strike: use a melee weapon strike, so > you can any strike provided by the melee weapon. > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/2c4dc6f9eda1853f > LSJ, replying to Meej asking about Nightstick's prevent damage strike: > *** >> Could you use Undead Strength to add damage to it? > > You could select the non-damage-dealing strike when using the melee > weapon Nightstick with Undead Strength, sure. As always, adding damage > to a strike that doesn't deal damage has no effect, so the strike still > won't do damage. > *** > > So you can play it and use the card, but it won't usually do you any > good - you'll just get a Prevent 3 damage strike. ... with an optional maneuver [for] or an optional press [vic] in the case of Lam Into, which may do you some good. > This may be useful if you have a hand stuffed with Undead Strength but > don't actually want to hurt the minion e.g. you've blocked a bounce. > >>> 2) Do you have to announce which of the two Nightstick strikes you >>> are using as you announce that you are striking with a Nightstick via >>> Lam Into? >> You would have to declare which option you're using if you had a >> choice, but you don't. > > Incorrect - you do have the choice, as above, and you would declare it > when you chose your strike. Correct. (Or declare it when maneuvering with Lam Into at [for]).

James Coupe wrote: >>>>> 1) If I play Lam Into as a strike using Nightstick, can I use it with >>>>> the Strike: Prevent 3 damage to do damage and prevent? >>>> No. The damage prevention strike is a specific strike, as is Lam Into, >>>> or any other strike card. >>> Incorrect. Lam Into tells you to Strike: use a melee weapon strike, so >>> you can any strike provided by the melee weapon. >>> >> Hmm, isn't there a generic rule that damage-enhancing effects require >> the strike to be damage-dealing to begin with? > > To have any effect, yes. LSJ's quote, and the rest of my post, > explained this - you can play it, it just won't do you any good usually. Ah, ok. Then you just didn't check the primary question fully ;) "to do damage and prevent" I thought I had missed a rules-change lately. [ quoted text not captured ]

>>> Two questions: >>> 1) If I play Lam Into as a strike using Nightstick, can I use it with >>> the Strike: Prevent 3 damage to do damage and prevent? >> No. The damage prevention strike is a specific strike, as is Lam Into, >> or any other strike card. > > Incorrect. Lam Into tells you to Strike: use a melee weapon strike, so > you can any strike provided by the melee weapon. > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/2c4dc6f9eda1853f > LSJ, replying to Meej asking about Nightstick's prevent damage strike: > *** Another question is: if I use the Strike: Prevent 3 damage from Nightstick and play a Lam Into, will I get the maneuver at [for]? Will I get press at [vic]? Will the range in next round be automatically close? -- -bur [ quoted text not captured ]

I. M. Bur napsal(a): [ quoted text not captured ] Seems to be answered already in a previous post I just found... Feel free to ignore. [ quoted text not captured ]