Situation: The Reverend is in combat and takes more than enough damage to
be sent to torpor, thus causing him to become uncontrolled. The Reverend's
controller responds with The Diamond Thunderbolt. What happens? I can
think of 3 options:
1. Combat has ended before The Diamond Thunderbolt is played, so the
Reverend remains where he is, with 1 (more) blood.
2. Combat has not ended yet, but all of the current damage has been
handled, so unless there are other sources of damage (or presses, or
additional strikes, etc.), the Reverend will survive the combat with 1
(more) blood.
3. Combat has not ended yet, and the damage dealt to the Reverend is
enough to torporize him again, so The Diamond Thunderbolt is wasted.
Marc G.
On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:18:12 -0500, Marc Gabriele
<goo...@SPAMTRAPdementia.org> wrote:
> Situation: The Reverend is in combat and takes more than enough damage
> to be sent to torpor, thus causing him to become uncontrolled.
Torpid = controlled but not ready.
Sending the opposing vampire to torpor makes them unready, but still
controlled.
4. Diamond Thunderbolt (which is a good card btw) cannot be played.
--
Regards,
Daneel
Daneel wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:18:12 -0500, Marc Gabriele
> <goo...@SPAMTRAPdementia.org> wrote:
>
> > Situation: The Reverend is in combat and takes more than enough damage
> > to be sent to torpor, thus causing him to become uncontrolled.
>
> Torpid = controlled but not ready.
>
> Sending the opposing vampire to torpor makes them unready, but still
> controlled.
In the Cultist Storyline rules (on WW site), #10 reads:
"10. If Reverend Adams would leave the ready region, he becomes
uncontrolled (and out of play) and is returned to the center of the
table instead. All cards and blood on Reverend Adams remain."
I would think that "he becomes uncontrolled" is not a change of
control. It's simply losing control, thus DT does not apply. (For
control to change, someone else would have to gain control.) Better to
use it at the start of the combat for the extra blood. Good question,
though - has me curious.
> I would think that "he becomes uncontrolled" is not a change of
> control. It's simply losing control, thus DT does not apply. (For
> control to change, someone else would have to gain control.) Better to
> use it at the start of the combat for the extra blood. Good question,
> though - has me curious.
I would think that if you control something and then you do not then
that is a change in control by definition. If the text of the
thunderbolt were specific to when a minion changes controlers then that
would be diffrent.
On 10 Nov 2006 16:06:38 -0800, Wookie813 <veknp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Daneel wrote:>> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:18:12 -0500, Marc Gabriele
>> <goo...@SPAMTRAPdementia.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Situation: The Reverend is in combat and takes more than enough damage
>> > to be sent to torpor, thus causing him to become uncontrolled.
>>
>> Torpid = controlled but not ready.
>>
>> Sending the opposing vampire to torpor makes them unready, but still
>> controlled.>
> In the Cultist Storyline rules (on WW site), #10 reads:
>
> "10. If Reverend Adams would leave the ready region, he becomes
> uncontrolled (and out of play) and is returned to the center of the
> table instead. All cards and blood on Reverend Adams remain."
Yup, I totally missed the point of the original post. That it was referring
to the Storyline event, and that as a result it should be interpreted with
the special sroryline rules.
My only excuse would be the immense amount of alcohol consumed, that
miraculuously failed to impede my verbal prowesses while apparently
completely shutting down the rest of my mental faculties. :)
So please disregard my post, maybe except the part where I say Diamond
Thunderbolt is a good card... :)
--
Regards,
Daneel
Hellbent wrote:
> I would think that if you control something and then you do not then
> that is a change in control by definition. If the text of the
> thunderbolt were specific to when a minion changes controlers then that
> would be diffrent.
Careful - pretty soon we'll be arguing over the meaning of the word
"only". ;)
Moving from controlled to uncontrolled is a change in the 'state of
control'. (yes to no)
A change in control would require the vampire still be controlled.
(yesA to yesB)
If the text of DT applied to a change to uncontrolled, you could use it
when your vampire was Banished or even burned to negate the change in
the 'sate of control'.
I would think that DT could be used to negate the change of control
mechanic provided by the referendum, though.
Again, just guessing.
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Correct. Diamond Thunderbolt cannot be used on a minion being burned, being
removed from the game, becoming contested, or otherwise becoming uncontrolled
(Banishement, Reverend storyline rules, &c.)