Punishment for someone who illegally self-ousts?

If someone self-ousts when they were *not* in a lost position, what would people recommend a judge's punishment and remediation be? I think it would be hard to force someone to keep playing. best - chris

[ quoted text not captured ] If the player is incapable of sportsmanlike conduct, then ejection from the tournamant with a suggestion to be banned from VEKN is in order. As for the game, a judge can serve as a proxy player for that player's position if no other suitable remedy can be found to accomated a hole left by the player's ejection.

I don't know what the situation was (or is this a general question?), but I'd just recommend being wary of punishing too readily. If they just got up and walked away from the table in a huff... then yes that's crap and they should be thrown out. If, on the other hand, they honestly thought that they had no chance to win, and self ousted within the constraints of the game rules(spent all their remaining pool on actions/transfers)... I think its not really fair to force them to take it back. If someone has been put in a bad position from which they don't see any escape, they're allowed to give away their VP as they choose(or at least, that is my understanding). For example, if someone torpors or burns all their predator's minions, they should not be able to complain if their predator transfers out, rather than being a helpless pool wall. Likewise, if you have your prey ousted at your whim, but decide you want him to stay in so you can tool up without interference from the wall deck next to him... Anyway, that's my 2 cents. [ quoted text not captured ]

On May 21, 3:07 pm, malcolmsprye <malcolmsp...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know what the situation was (or is this a general question?), > but I'd just recommend being wary of punishing too readily. If they > just got up and walked away from the table in a huff... then yes > that's crap and they should be thrown out. If, on the other hand, > they honestly thought that they had no chance to win, and self ousted > within the constraints of the game rules(spent all their remaining > pool on actions/transfers)... I think its not really fair to force > them to take it back. It is "fair" to correct any illegal play. If the judge agrees that the player is (was) in a lost position, then you're absolutely right. But... The case is question is "illegal self-oust", that is, self-ousting from a non-lost position. That is, violating the play-to-win rules. The remedy for such a thing is simply to disallow the illegal activity ("taking it back" if it has already been mechanically executed). With no further sanction, in general, since players are, for the most part, reasonable and able to understand the relationship between "judge" and "player". However... The question goes on to say that it would be "hard" to make the player continue playing. That is: that the player, upon being informed that the judge considers the self-ousting activity illegal (and after correcting that individual infraction) would then NOT conform to the rules, but rather would continue to violate the sportsmanship rule in general and the PTW rule in particular. Knowingly this time. In that case, which I think would be most unusual, <my response below>. >If someone has been put in a bad position from > which they don't see any escape, they're allowed to give away their VP > as they choose(or at least, that is my understanding). Correct (and that's a different topic -- one involving "legal" self- ousting, assuming the judge agrees with the player's assessment). > For example, > if someone torpors or burns all their predator's minions, they should > not be able to complain if their predator transfers out, rather than > being a helpless pool wall. Likewise, if you have your prey ousted at > your whim, but decide you want him to stay in so you can tool up > without interference from the wall deck next to him... Correct. [ quoted text not captured ]