Third Edition Vampires

Which vampires appear only in starters vs. only in Boosters? White Wolf has listed *all* of the new Vampires on their checklist, yet claims that not all are in the Boosters. -- - Gregory Stuart Pettigrew

[ quoted text not captured ] There are 124 on the checklist and the marketing blurb says there are "100 vampires" in the set (boosters). If this is true, the most likely story is that the 6 new vampires in each starter are starter-only. If true, then this kind of sucks if you want to build a Vlad Rustovich-star-deck, since he's only in the starter once. Same for a White Lilly (there are promos of her, i 'spose) or Harold Zettler deck, for the same reasons. But most of the new crypt cards in the starters are doubled-up, so it won't be an issue except for a small handful of vampires. We can use Tupdog to tighten up the crypt a bit so that we don't _need_ 5x Rusty or whomever, or we can just buy 5 Tzimmie starters. I guess i wanted 5 more War Ghouls and Smiling Jack...wait, i _do_ want those cards! Merlin

[ quoted text not captured ] In an effort to better (actually) answer your question, the new vamps in the starters are: Tzimisce: Count Vladimir Rustovich (1x only) Duality (1x only) Yuri Kerezenski Radu Bistri Lady Zara Slatikov Laika !Malk: Bloodfeud (1x only) Apache Jones Harold Zettler, Pentex Director (1x only) White Lilly (1x only) Beauregard Krueller Persephone Tar-Annis !Brujah: Hektor Armin Brenner Father Juan Carlos Urraca Alessandro Garcia (1x only) Smash (1x only) !Tremere: Esoara Frondator (1x only) Janine (1x only) Paul Cordwood Uta Kovacs Lucubratio So if the new vamps are start-only, which the math seems to fit, then these would be the non-booster vampires. Merlin

On 28 Aug 2006 13:27:04 -0700, "Merlin" <hallofha...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >In an effort to better (actually) answer your question, the new vamps >in the starters are: The new vampires in the starters are duplicated in the player's kits. [ quoted text not captured ]

The Lasombra escreveu: > On 28 Aug 2006 13:27:04 -0700, "Merlin" > <hallofha...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > >In an effort to better (actually) answer your question, the new vamps > >in the starters are: > > The new vampires in the starters are duplicated in the player's kits. Since the Player Kit has been mentioned, any decklists for them? Fabio "Sooner222" Macedo

The Lasombra wrote: > The new vampires in the starters are duplicated in the player's kits. Is there a conviniently located list of what comes in the Players Kit? Thanks, -Peter

While we're on the subject of starter-only cards, several of the reprinted cards that appear in the boosters have added draft functionality only on the booster version. Can anyone confirm if the booster versions of the following cards have added draft functionality: Escaped Mental Patient Guard Dogs Harass Helicopter Infernal Pact Kindred Spirits Recure of the Homeland Vendetta War Ghoul [ quoted text not captured ]

On Tue, 28 Aug 2006, Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: > Escaped Mental Patient Nope. > Guard Dogs Works like a WWEF on a bleed action only. The only requirement is vampire. > Harass No. > Helicopter No. > Infernal Pact Only requires a vampire, so you can give any discipline to any vampire. Pretty cool, eh? > Kindred Spirits Can play the inferior level with obf. > Recure of the Homeland Requires Tzimisce or !Tremere. > Vendetta No, still crappy. > War Ghoul No, still good. Matt Morgan

Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo wrote: > > The new vampires in the starters are duplicated in the player's kits. > > Since the Player Kit has been mentioned, any decklists for them? The old demo decks were specifically labeled that they were not legal for tournament use (not "real" cards). Does this apply to the new demos in the Player Kit, or has White Wolf reversed their stance and allowed the new demos to be fully functioning cards for VEKN purposes?

echia...@yahoo.com <echia...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo wrote: > > > The new vampires in the starters are duplicated in the player's kits. > > > > Since the Player Kit has been mentioned, any decklists for them? > The old demo decks were specifically labeled that they were not legal > for tournament use (not "real" cards). The old demo deck cards are legal for tournament play, as far as I know. They just say "FREE DEMONSTRATION CARD" and have the Pawn expansion symbol so they can't easily be resold, I think.

<echia...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1156859508.8...@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Fabio 'Sooner' Macedo wrote: >> > The new vampires in the starters are duplicated in the player's kits. >> >> Since the Player Kit has been mentioned, any decklists for them? > > > The old demo decks were specifically labeled that they were not legal > for tournament use (not "real" cards). Surely you're not perpetuating that old urban myth, Eric? :-) The old demo deck cards were labeled that they were not *for sale*. They were ruled to be perfectly legal for VEKN tournament play. LSJ 28-Oct-2003: groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/00e4a6e9a16782b7 > Does this apply to the new demos in the Player Kit, or has White Wolf > reversed their stance and allowed the new demos to be fully functioning > cards for VEKN purposes? I expect that the new demo decks are also legal in all VEKN tournaments. And if I recall correctly, they don't have any special text saying anything about not being for sale, either(obviously they are for sale in the Player Kit). Josh pawned!

[ quoted text not captured ] Third Edition starters come in two "halves". I heard it containted one half from each starter, presumably the one with the vampires. I also heard that the demo decks had special versions of some of the vampires. [ quoted text not captured ]

Joshua Duffin wrote: > I expect that the new demo decks are also legal in all VEKN tournaments. > And if I recall correctly, they don't have any special text saying anything > about not being for sale, either(obviously they are for sale in the Player > Kit). Correct.

> The old demo decks were specifically labeled that they were not legal > for tournament use (not "real" cards). Though the cards are not legal for sale (or resale), they are legal for tournament use. Ankur

[ quoted text not captured ] Not quite - each of the four comes with 6 vampires only. One of the vampires in each Player's Kit starter is indeed a 'special version' - the art for each is replaced with a black-and-white sketch version of the portrait. (The vamps in question being Count Rustovich, Harold Zettler, Esoara and Hektor.) Unfortunately, I don't have a full contents list of the PK. > - Gregory Stuart Pettigrew -John Flournoy

Joshua Duffin wrote: > Surely you're not perpetuating that old urban myth, Eric? :-) The old demo > deck cards were labeled that they were not *for sale*. They were ruled to > be perfectly legal for VEKN tournament play. > > LSJ 28-Oct-2003: > > groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/00e4a6e9a16782b7 Umm...I guess you're right...all I can say is: Tiberius move over cause there's a NEW scandalmonger in town! ;-)

Here's the list of cards in the set with (Draft) representing Added Draft Functionality and (Nope) representing no Added Draft Functionality. Cards without parentheses are cards I do not have. Can anyone enlighten me as to whether they do? Abandoning the Flesh Abbot Ablative Skin Acrobatics (Draft) Admonitions, The (Nope) Aid from Bats (Draft) Anarch Revolt (Nope) Anarchist Uprising (Nope) Apportation (Draft) Archon Investigation (Nope) Art Scam Art of Love, The Art of Pain, The Assault Rifle Auto-da-fé (Nope) Awe Backstab Bang Nakh -- Tiger's Claws (Nope) Banshee Ironwail (Nope) Bauble Black Forest Base (Nope) Black Gloves Black Metamorphosis Black Spiral Buddy (Draft) Blade of Enoch Blood of the Sabbat Bloodbath Blow Torch (Nope) Blur (Draft) Body Flare Bomb (Nope) Boxed In Brass Knuckles (Nope) Burning Wrath Burst of Sunlight (Draft) Cardinal Benediction (Nope) Cardinal Sin: Insubordination (Nope) Carrion Crows (Draft) Catatonic Fear (Draft) Changeling (Draft) Cheval de Bataille Chiropteran Marauder (Draft) Claws of the Dead (Draft) Codex of the Damned Coma (Draft) Combat Shotgun (Nope) Command of the Beast Command (Draft) Communal Haven: Cathedral (Nope) Confusion (Draft) Consanguineous Boon (Draft) Conservative Agitation (Nope) Corrupt Construction (Nope) Courier (Draft) Cracking the Wall (Nope) Creation Rites (Nope) Cryptic Rider Cull the Herd (Nope) Damned, The (Nope) Danse Macabre (Nope) Daring the Dawn Darkness Within (Nope) Darksight (Draft) Dauntain Black Magician (Changeling) (Draft) Decapitate Delaying Tactics (Nope) Demonstration (Draft) Deploy the Hand (Nope) Depravity (Nope) Derange Direct Intervention Disarm Dissolution (Draft) Dodge (Nope) Dogs of War (Nope) Dragon's Breath Rounds Dreams of the Sphinx Drum of Xipe Totec (Nope) Elder Impersonation (Draft) Elysian Fields Enchant Kindred Enhanced Senses (Draft) Esbat (Nope) Escaped Mental Patient Eternal Vigilance (Nope) Faceless Night Far Mastery (Draft) Fiendish Tongue (Nope) Flamethrower Flurry of Action Force of Will (Draft) Foreshadowing Destruction (Draft) Forger's Hammer Forgery (Nope) Forgotten Labyrinth (Draft) Form of Mist (Draft) Freak Drive Frenzy (Nope) Frontal Assault Gang Tactics (Draft) Gang Territory Gangrel Conspiracy (Nope) Garrote (Nope) Giant's Blood (Nope) Glancing Blow (Nope) Grooming the Protégé (Nope) Guard Dogs (Draft) Guardian Angel (Nope) Gurchon Hall Harass Harvest Rites (Nope) Haven Affinity (Nope) Heart of Nizchetus Helicopter Hexaped (Nope) Hidden Pathways (Nope) High Ground (Nope) Honor the Elders (Nope) Horrid Form (Draft) Hungry Coyote, The IR Goggles Immortal Grapple Improvised Flamethrower Inconnu Tutelage Infernal Familiar Infernal Pact (Draft) Information Highway (Nope) Information Network Instability Instinctive Reaction (Draft) Intimidation Ivory Bow J. S. Simmons, Esq. (Nope) Keep It Simple (Nope) Kindred Manipulation Kindred Segregation (Nope) Kindred Spirits (Draft) King's Rising (Nope) Kraken's Kiss (Draft) Leather Jacket (Nope) Left for Dead Legacy of Caine (Nope) Legwork (Nope) Living Manse (Nope) Lobotomy (Nope) Lost in Crowds (Draft) Lunatic Eruption (Nope) Lupine Assault Magic of the Smith Major Boon Marijava Ghoul (Nope) Marked Path (Draft) Martial Ritus (Nope) Martinelli's Ring (Nope) Media Influence (Draft) Meld with the Land (Draft) Minor Irritation (Nope) Mirror Walk (Draft) Mob Connections (Nope) My Enemy's Enemy (Draft) Mylan Horseed (Goblin) NRA PAC Nephandus (Mage) New Management Nosferatu Kingdom (Nope) Obedience (Draft) On the Qui Vive (Nope) Oubliette (Draft) Palla Grande Parthenon, The (Nope) Path of Metamorphosis, The Path of Night, The Path of the Feral Heart, The (Nope) Patronage (Draft) Patterns in the Chaos (Draft) Peace Treaty (Nope) Pentex[tm] Loves You! Pentex[tm] Subversion (Nope) Perfect Clarity Perpetual Care (Nope) Pier 13, Port of Baltimore Political Antagonist Political Stranglehold Political Struggle Power Structure Powerbase: Mexico City (Nope) Powerbase: Montreal (Nope) Precognition (Draft) Private Audience (Nope) Propaganda (Draft) Protected Resources Psyche! Pulse of the Canaille Pursuit Pushing the Limit (Draft) Quick Meld (Draft) Quickness (Draft) Rabble Razing (Nope) Rack, The Rafastio Ghoul (Nope) Rapid Change (Draft) Raptor Rave (Nope) Read the Winds Reality Mirror (Nope) Recruiting Party Recure of the Homeland (Draft) Redirection (Draft) Regent Resilience (Draft) Restoration Restructure Revelations Revenant (Draft) Rolling with the Punches (Draft) Rooftop Shadow (Draft) Rumble (Nope) Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The Sabbat Inquisitor (Nope) Sabbat Priest (Nope) Sacrament of Carnage (Draft) San Nicolás de los Servitas Saturday-Night Special (Nope) Scorpion Sting (Draft) Scouting Mission Scrounging Sermon of Caine (Nope) Shadow Court Satyr (Changeling) Shadow Play (Draft) Shadow Step (Draft) Shadow Strike (Draft) Shadow of the Beast (Draft) Shattered Mirror Shroud of Night (Draft) Sibyl's Tongue (Nope) Sire's Index Finger Skin Trap (Draft) Slaughtering the Herd Slave Auction (Nope) Song of Serenity (Draft) Soul Burn (Draft) Soul Gem of Etrius Special Report (Nope) Spirit Summoning Chamber (Nope) Sport Bike Spying Mission Staredown (Draft) Stealth Ritus (Nope) Stunt Cycle (Draft) Succubus Sunrise Service Superior Mettle (Draft) Survivalist (Nope) Swallowed by the Night (Draft) Sword of Judgment Talons of the Dead (Nope) Telepathic Misdirection (Draft) Telepathic Tracking (Draft) Telepathic Vote Counting Templar (Nope) Tension in the Ranks (Nope) Theft of Vitae (Draft) Thoughts Betrayed (Draft) Tier of Souls Tithings Total Insanity (Draft) Transfer of Power Trap (Nope) Tribute to the Master (Nope) Uncontrollable Rage Undead Strength (Draft) Using the Advantage Vagabond Mystic (Nope) Vast Wealth (Nope) Vendetta Ventrue Investment Vial of Garou Blood (Nope) Visit from the Capuchin (Nope) Voter Captivation (Draft) Walk of Flame (Draft) War Ghoul War Party (Nope) Wash Waste Management Operation (Nope) Weighted Walking Stick (Nope) White Phosphorus Grenade Wooden Stake (Nope) Yawp Court (Nope) Young Bloods (Nope) Zillah's Tears (Nope) [ quoted text not captured ]

"Joshua Duffin" <joshduff...@SPAM.gmail.com> wrote in message news:4lj018F...@individual.net... > I expect that the new demo decks are also legal in all VEKN tournaments. > And if I recall correctly, they don't have any special text saying anything > about not being for sale, either(obviously they are for sale in the Player > Kit). How does one actual use a demo deck in the course of giving a demo? Or rather, I gather the demo deck is given to the perspective new player to use but how is he to be instructed to use it? I seem to recall something about the order of the demo decks being important. Are there "demo deck instructions" given with the kit? Fred

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: > Here's the list of cards in the set with (Draft) representing Added > Draft Functionality and (Nope) representing no Added Draft > Functionality. Cards without parentheses are cards I do not have. Can > anyone enlighten me as to whether they do? Here's a few. The ones I skip over don't have draft effects. > Abandoning the Flesh > Abbot > Ablative Skin [pro] as [for] > Acrobatics (Draft) > Admonitions, The (Nope) > Aid from Bats (Draft) > Anarch Revolt (Nope) > Anarchist Uprising (Nope) > Apportation (Draft) > Archon Investigation (Nope) > Art Scam No requirements for a +1 stealth action to burn the edge to gain 2 pool. > Art of Love, The Put on a vampire you control and burn it for +1 bleed. > Art of Pain, The > Assault Rifle > Auto-da-fé (Nope) > Awe [pot] gain X additional votes. > Backstab No requirements additional strike. > Bang Nakh -- Tiger's Claws (Nope) > Banshee Ironwail (Nope) > Bauble > Black Forest Base (Nope) > Black Gloves > Black Metamorphosis > Black Spiral Buddy (Draft) > Blade of Enoch > Blood of the Sabbat > Bloodbath > Blow Torch (Nope) > Blur (Draft) I got this far. Maybe I'll look up a few more cards later. [ quoted text not captured ]

Matthew T. Morgan wrote: > I got this far. Maybe I'll look up a few more cards later. Thanks for the help. This set is turning out to be very complicated for collectors. Currently, I'm leaning towards including an indicator that these cards have Added Draft Functionality on trade.mahasamatman.com, but I need to compile a complete list first. [ quoted text not captured ]

Matthew T. Morgan wrote: > On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: > > > Here's the list of cards in the set with (Draft) representing Added > > Draft Functionality and (Nope) representing no Added Draft > > Functionality. Cards without parentheses are cards I do not have. Can > > anyone enlighten me as to whether they do? > > > Aid from Bats (Draft) (Disciplineless) Do not replace until after combat. Maneuver. > > Blur (Draft) (Disciplineless) Maneuver > > Body Flare (Disciplineless) Only usable in combat with an ally or a younger vampire. Strike: 2 agg > > Carrion Crows (Draft) (pro) As (ani) above, but only for this round. > > Catatonic Fear (Draft) (obf) S:CE > > Changeling (Draft) (ani) As (vic) above. > > Claws of the Dead (Draft) (vic) As (ani) above. [s/b (pro) as noted on preview page] > > Command of the Beast (obt) +1 stealth > > Command (Draft) (Disciplineless) Only usable when the action is announced. Allies cannot block this action. > > Confusion (Draft) (dom) As (dem) above. > > Consanguineous Boon (Draft) As above, but choose 2 clans. (I like this one! :) > > Cryptic Rider I got one but can't find it at the mo... I think maybe it gave you until the end of your next turn to call the auto-pass vote? > > Darksight (Draft) (dom) Reduce a bleed against you by 1. > > Dauntain Black Magician (Changeling) (Draft) (no requirement) As above but with 3 life. Need to run now. Sadly, the cards aren't organized for me to do this quickly. - Pat

Pat wrote: > Need to run now. Sadly, the cards aren't organized for me to do this > quickly. > Thanks, man. I'm still looking on info on these cards: Abandoning the Flesh Abbot Art of Pain, The Assault Rifle Bauble Black Gloves Black Metamorphosis Blade of Enoch Blood of the Sabbat Bloodbath Boxed In Burning Wrath Cheval de Bataille Codex of the Damned Cryptic Rider Daring the Dawn Decapitate Derange Direct Intervention Disarm Dragon's Breath Rounds Dreams of the Sphinx Elysian Fields Enchant Kindred Escaped Mental Patient - Booster Faceless Night Flamethrower Flurry of Action Forger's Hammer Freak Drive Frontal Assault Gang Territory Gurchon Hall Harass - Booster Heart of Nizchetus Helicopter - Booster Hungry Coyote, The IR Goggles Immortal Grapple Improvised Flamethrower Inconnu Tutelage Infernal Familiar Information Network Instability Intimidation Ivory Bow Kindred Manipulation Left for Dead Lupine Assault Magic of the Smith Major Boon NRA PAC New Management Palla Grande Path of Metamorphosis, The Path of Night, The Pentex[tm] Loves You! Perfect Clarity Pier 13, Port of Baltimore Political Antagonist Political Stranglehold Political Struggle Power Structure Protected Resources Psyche! Pulse of the Canaille Pursuit Rack, The Raptor Read the Winds Recruiting Party Regent Restoration Restructure Revelations Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The San Nicolás de los Servitas Scouting Mission Scrounging Shattered Mirror Sire's Index Finger Slaughtering the Herd Soul Gem of Etrius Sport Bike Spying Mission Succubus Sunrise Service Sword of Judgment Telepathic Vote Counting Tier of Souls Tithings Transfer of Power Uncontrollable Rage Using the Advantage Vendetta - Booster Ventrue Investment War Ghoul - Booster Wash White Phosphorus Grenade [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: > Thanks, man. I'm still looking on info on these cards: > > Abandoning the Flesh > Abbot > Art of Pain, The > Assault Rifle > Bauble > Black Gloves > Black Metamorphosis > Blade of Enoch > Blood of the Sabbat > Bloodbath > Boxed In No to the above. In general, disciplineless cards do not have draft effects. > Burning Wrath Yes, but I don't know what it is offhand. > Cheval de Bataille > Codex of the Damned > Cryptic Rider No to the above. > Daring the Dawn > Decapitate > Derange Not sure about these three. > Direct Intervention No. > Disarm Not sure. > Dragon's Breath Rounds Doubt it. > Dreams of the Sphinx > Elysian Fields No to the above. > Enchant Kindred Inferior effect has no requirement. > Escaped Mental Patient - Booster No. > Faceless Night Yes, but I forget what it does. > Flamethrower No. > Flurry of Action Yes, but not sure what it does. > Forger's Hammer See preview page. > Freak Drive Not sure. > Frontal Assault > Gang Territory > Gurchon Hall > Harass - Booster > Heart of Nizchetus > Helicopter - Booster > Hungry Coyote, The > IR Goggles No to all the above. > Immortal Grapple Get a press at obf. Funny thing is it's still played at close range before strikes are chosen. > Improvised Flamethrower > Inconnu Tutelage No to above. > Infernal Familiar Don't recall. > Information Network > Instability No to above. > Intimidation Probably, but I'm not sure what it is. > Ivory Bow No. > Kindred Manipulation Probably. > Left for Dead > Lupine Assault No to above. > Magic of the Smith Not sure. > Major Boon > NRA PAC No to above. > New Management Draft effect duplicates Arson. > Palla Grande > Path of Metamorphosis, The > Path of Night, The > Pentex[tm] Loves You! I think no to the above. > Perfect Clarity Yes, but don't recall what it is. > Pier 13, Port of Baltimore No. > Political Antagonist I think it's still just as useless in draft, but I'm not sure. > Political Stranglehold No. > Political Struggle > Power Structure > Protected Resources Not sure. > Psyche! > Pulse of the Canaille > Pursuit These three probably do have draft effects, but I don't know what they are offhand. > Rack, The No. > Raptor > Read the Winds Not sure about these two. > Recruiting Party Either has no requirement or requires a vampire. Still not at stealth. :( > Regent No. > Restoration I think it's gain 2 blood at dom. > Restructure > Revelations Not sure about these. > Rumor Mill, Tabloid Newspaper, The > San Nicolás de los Servitas No to these. > Scouting Mission I think it's bleed for +1 at aus. > Scrounging > Shattered Mirror > Sire's Index Finger No to those. > Slaughtering the Herd Yes. Maybe bleed for +2 at aus? > Soul Gem of Etrius > Sport Bike No. > Spying Mission Yes, but not sure what it is. > Succubus > Sunrise Service > Sword of Judgment No. > Telepathic Vote Counting > Tier of Souls Probably yes to these two, but I'm not sure what the effects are. > Tithings > Transfer of Power No. > Uncontrollable Rage Yes, not sure what though. > Using the Advantage > Vendetta - Booster Alas, no. > Ventrue Investment No, but at least it's an Investment. > War Ghoul - Booster > Wash > White Phosphorus Grenade No to these. Matt Morgan

Matthew T. Morgan wrote: > > Sire's Index Finger > > No to those. > I'm 90% certain I saw a draftferior on that card while Duffin Drafting a few weeks ago. [ quoted text not captured ]

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006, Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: > Matthew T. Morgan wrote: >>> Sire's Index Finger >> >> No to those. >> > > I'm 90% certain I saw a draftferior on that card while Duffin Drafting > a few weeks ago. You could be right. I was just going from memory. Matt Morgan

"Matthew T. Morgan" <far...@io.com> wrote in message news:2006083113...@fnord.io.com... [ quoted text not captured ] That sounds right to me too. Doesn't it untap you after you equip with it, in draft? If so that probably makes it one of the very few no-requirement cards with a draftferior... Josh indexed by the library of congress

Joshua Duffin wrote: > That sounds right to me too. Doesn't it untap you after you equip with it, > in draft? If so that probably makes it one of the very few no-requirement > cards with a draftferior... Sire's Index Finger has a draftferior of untapping if the action to equip it is successful, yeah. I don't recall if it's an immediate untap or at the end of the turn a la Leather Jacket.

Matthew T. Morgan wrote: > > Freak Drive > Not sure. I've seen this one. aus: Untap this vampire.

Gregory Stuart Pettigrew <gpett...@gmail.com> wrote: > Here's the list of cards in the set with (Draft) representing Added > Draft Functionality and (Nope) representing no Added Draft > Functionality. Cards without parentheses are cards I do not have. Can > anyone enlighten me as to whether they do? Hey Greg, it might be worth noting, for the collector, that there are some cards in 3E which appear both with (in the boosters) and without (in the starters) a Draftferior Effect. I definitely noticed Consanguineous Boon, but there are probably others..

Jozxyqk wrote: > Gregory Stuart Pettigrew <gpett...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Here's the list of cards in the set with (Draft) representing Added > > Draft Functionality and (Nope) representing no Added Draft > > Functionality. Cards without parentheses are cards I do not have. Can > > anyone enlighten me as to whether they do? > > Hey Greg, it might be worth noting, for the collector, that there are > some cards in 3E which appear both with (in the boosters) and without > (in the starters) a Draftferior Effect. Josh means "draft effect" :-) -- Damnans http://www.almadrava.net/damnans http://www.vtes.net http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/vteshispania/

"Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> wrote in message news:-NidnbYDOs3HvmHZ...@comcast.com... [ quoted text not captured ] There are quite a few, e.g., Undead Strength, Apportation, Elder Intervention (I believe). On another note, it's interesting that a couple of these effects are draftSUPeriors, i.e., the draft version is actually slightly better. For Con Boon, you pick 2 clans; for Protected Resources, you can actually bleed for 1 without PR burning. - Pat

[ quoted text not captured ] Yup. That's exactly why I'm asking about cards with Draftferiors. They're different and stuff. [ quoted text not captured ]

Gregory Stuart Pettigrew wrote: > Jozxyqk wrote: > > Hey Greg, it might be worth noting, for the collector, that there are > > some cards in 3E which appear both with (in the boosters) and without > > (in the starters) a Draftferior Effect. > > I definitely noticed Consanguineous Boon, but there are probably > > others.. > > Yup. That's exactly why I'm asking about cards with Draftferiors. > They're different and stuff. > Thanks for your help guys, though I've concluded that trade.mahasamatman.com/VTES/ will have to be updated with a complete Draftferior list once I have the whole set in my hands. It's just easier to be sure that I'm not missing anything that way. In the meantime, the site is updated with Third Edition and the new promos. [ quoted text not captured ]