Is Free Fight playable at all?

Looking over this "rare" card... and I just don't get it. It doesn't even have synergy with Sanguis cards (octopod does not work). Has anyone figured this card out? How to use it?

[ quoted text not captured ] Hermana Hambrienta Menor/Serpentis Skill Cards/Mummify? With one action you can torporize all of your own vampires! Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

Guess no one figured it out then... :-) On Jan 2, 12:58 pm, "XZealot" <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > adam.hu...@gmail.com wrote: > > Looking over this "rare" card... and I just don't get it. > > > It doesn't even have synergy with Sanguis cards (octopod does not > > work). > > > Has anyone figured this card out? How to use it?Hermana Hambrienta Menor/Serpentis Skill Cards/Mummify? [ quoted text not captured ]

On Jan 4, 10:24 am, "adam.hu...@gmail.com" <adam.hu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Guess no one figured it out then... :-) > I haven't figured it out yet, but I think part of that is because I only own like 1 or 2 and haven't been able to try it out much. The best use I have figured out so far is to use it to protect your weaker Blood Brothers since you can swap them out before the first round of strikes happen (during the pre-range step). For instance, you have to hunt with an empty Blood Brother and you get blocked. You could play Free Fight and have your healthy Blood Brother with lots of blood switch in, rather than get hit hands for 1 and go to torpor. If the healthy Blood Brother has a gun or other equipment, all the better. Its kinda like having a Rabbat waiting to Hidden Lurker after someone blocks you without having to risk the bait minion getting beat up. I have included the text of the card below for reference. Later, ~Rehlow Free Fight Card Text: Only usable before range is determined. [san] Tap this Blood Brother and any number of ready untapped members you control of this circle. Once each round before range is determined, or whenever your combatant leaves the ready region, you may choose one of these ready Blood Brothers to become the combatant instead (and combat continues). [SAN] As above, and each of these Blood Brothers gets an optional press this combat.

You know, you could just let 'em block the hunt, play signpost + octopod for the empty vampire. Prevent the hands for 1 with brothers blood ? And then come after the blocking minion with coordinated attacks again :P Combat version of Blood Brothers is still dangerous, even if they are empty.

Howdy, > Free Fight > Card Text: > Only usable before range is determined. > [san] Tap this Blood Brother and any number of ready untapped members > you control of this circle. Once each round before range is determined, > or whenever your combatant leaves the ready region, you may choose one > of these ready Blood Brothers to become the combatant instead (and > combat continues). > [SAN] As above, and each of these Blood Brothers gets an optional press > this combat. Thanks for putting in the text... Now I'm confused too. This is a combat card; vampires in combat are almost always tapped, either because they are acting (tapped to begin the action) or blocking (tapped for the block). How are you supposed to tap the Blood Brother who played the card, who must, presumably, be the one in combat? (Even if it can be played by a vampire not in combat [and I see no text allowing it to be played that way], the Blood Brother who is in combat still needs to tap, right?) I see no way to play this card without Majesty or Earth Meld _and_ Psyche! being involved. Or am I missing something? Thanks, Alex

[ quoted text not captured ] Missing something. :) Firstly, you can tap a tapped vampire. It just doesn't do much. Since this card isn't tap TO do something, it's just tap AND do something, it works fine when played by a tapped vampire. Secondly, you might have been rushed by someone while untapped. :) What I was to know is, does the BB who played the card count as 'one/each of these (ready) Blood Brothers'? ie: Can they 'tag' back in later, and do they get an optional press this combat? If so.....BB1 plays FF. Hands for one, or something, presses, and then BB2, who has...an RPG launcher!..tags in before range in the second round, BB1 plays Octopod for him, and then BB2 shoots the opposing minion for 18 over three strikes or something. Efficient? Unlikely. Way cool? Hell yeah! -- salem http://users.tpg.com.au/adsltqna/vtes/ (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

Salem wrote: >>> Free Fight >>> Card Text: >>> Only usable before range is determined. >>> [san] Tap this Blood Brother and any number of ready untapped members >>> you control of this circle. Once each round before range is determined, >>> or whenever your combatant leaves the ready region, you may choose one >>> of these ready Blood Brothers to become the combatant instead (and >>> combat continues). >>> [SAN] As above, and each of these Blood Brothers gets an optional press >>> this combat. >> > What I was to know is, does the BB who played the card count as > 'one/each of these (ready) Blood Brothers'? ie: Can they 'tag' back in > later, and do they get an optional press this combat? Your question can be restated more clearly as: "is 'of these' referring to 'this Brother and any number' or just 'any number'". The answer is: moot, it doesn't matter. If the former, then he is in the "of these". If the latter, then, since he is a member of his circle, you are free to choose him to be in the "any number" set. If you choose him, he will be in the "of these".

> >>> Free Fight > >>> Card Text: > >>> Only usable before range is determined. > >>> [san] Tap this Blood Brother and any number of ready untapped members > >>> you control of this circle. Once each round before range is determined, > >>> or whenever your combatant leaves the ready region, you may choose one > >>> of these ready Blood Brothers to become the combatant instead (and > >>> combat continues). > >>> [SAN] As above, and each of these Blood Brothers gets an optional press > >>> this combat. Octopod Cost: 1 blood Card Text: Requires a ready Blood Brother of the same circle as another one in combat. Can be used by a vampire even if he or she is not involved in the combat. [san] Only usable before range is chosen. The Blood Brother in combat gets an additional strike each round this combat. [SAN] As above, but with two additional strikes each round. So, I was wondering this myself. You have one Brother in combat with Arika (A with an Assault Rifle) and one untapped brother (B with a Flamethrower). Brother A plays Free Fight at [SAN] before range is chosen, choosing and tapping Brother B. Brother A maneuvers to long and fires his Assault rifle at Arika, so she (with 10 blood) plays Superior Mettle at [FOR], taking her down to 9 blood. Seeing that she's down to 8 blood, Brother B plays Octopod at [SAN] so "the Blood Brother in combat gets an additional strike each round this combat." He plugs Arika for 4, twice with no more prevention leaving her at one blood. Press to continue from Free Fight at [SAN], no response from Arika. Next round, before range is chosen, Brother B is chosen as the combatant. Now, Brother B is fuming at the mouth, along with the rest of the table, with the prospect of burning Arika with his Flamethrower. He fires and Arika burns a blood for Superior Mettle at [FOR] that was played last round. Does Brother B benefit from Octopod since he's now the "Blood Brother in combat" and since the "Brother in combat gets an additional strike each round of combat?" I can see this going both ways. I can see that Octopod gives Brother A specifically additional strikes, but I would think that from the wording, Octopod gives the "Blood Brother in combat" additional strikes each round regardless of which Brother is currently in combat. If so, Arika burns when Brother B gleefully sprays her with hot Flamethrowery goodness while Brother B happily takes pimp-slap damage for one. If not, then yet another wallpaper rare. Jason D. Scott Prince of Nashville, TN

[ quoted text not captured ] No. > I can see this going both ways. I can see that > Octopod gives Brother A specifically additional strikes, but I would Correct. > think that from the wording, Octopod gives the "Blood Brother in > combat" additional strikes each round regardless of which Brother is > currently in combat. ... or both if a BB is in combat with a BB? No. I can't see it being tenable in that reading at all.

LSJ wrote: > If the latter, then, since he is a member of his circle, you are free to choose > him to be in the "any number" set. Only if he's currently untapped; otherwise, he's not a legal pick for that clause. Unless I'm missing something. - D.J.

[ quoted text not captured ] Ah. OK, so the answer isn't moot. Yes, indeed, the "of these" refers to the whole group. The same group that was the target of the "tap" in the preceding sentence.