How do YOU bloat yours?

Anyone want to write a quick rundown on bloating (or just pool-gain) techniques? What's your preferred method?

> Anyone want to write a quick rundown on bloating (or just pool-gain) > techniques? No. ;-) > What's your preferred method? I currently use a lot the Blood Dolls in conjontion with blood gain cards : Leonardo, HGs, Blanche Hill (and Anarch locations or equips to gain more blood and more stealth) etc. I also love the Dreams of the Sphynx, and the locations which give pool to an uncontrolled of a Clan (Arcane Library, Art Museum etc.). I have used the Renewed Vigor / Minion Tap or the MT / Voter Cap combos (I never got to play the old 5th trad, and don't think I would have enjoyed playing it in spite of its efficiency), but I find them more predictable, and prefer steady, regular, and more discreet pool gain. Orpheus, Doge of Marseille

"Orpheus" <orph...@free.fr> wrote in message news:3f5c661b$0$27582$626a...@news.free.fr... [ quoted text not captured ] My favorit is a Salubri combo. Minion tap, spirit marionette borrowing some1 elses vampire preferably an inner cirlce, tapping hindenburg castle and leaving one blood, bleeding and if the borrowed vampire has fortitude playing daring the dawn :) I use it alot in my favorit deck at the moment (Salubri/Harbringers with no Slaughter Houses) -- Daniel Eriksson Karlskrona Sweden E-Mail: wal...@nr1.nu MSN: walkert...@hotmail.com ICQ: 15819557

"Timlagor" <Timlagor...@yahoo.com> escribió en el mensaje news:MPG.19c6658f5...@news.freeserve.com... > Anyone want to write a quick rundown on bloating (or just pool-gain) > techniques? > What's your preferred method? - Minion tap, rush, cannon and taste - Lots of blood dolls+ anarch saloon/hospital food/anarch free press/status perfectus - The boring minion tap-voter (a guy around here has managed to do a deck triggering this combo with all camarilla clans. He even put pre skill cards on etrius) - lots of blood dolls, POT pro combat, and claws, decapitate, ritual of the bitter rose - 15 art scams, lots of embraces and change of targets. - 15+ Kindred Spirits. This deck also allows you to get back almost all blood from your little demented, since they need no blood at all to run - Blood Doll-Cryptic mission - Menele and raves. Well, this one, rather than bloat, what does is to refuel menele in order to bring more minions in play. Combat and taste to refill "donants", or go voter cap if you go for vote angle -Another pseudo bloat, well, rather than pseudo-bloat is put in play your monsters and let your prey pay it, is the turbo zillah's valley-Parity shift (8 of each) so your prey ends up paying your vamps. Smiling Tom

"Timlagor" <Timlagor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:MPG.19c6658f5...@news.freeserve.com... > Anyone want to write a quick rundown on bloating (or just pool-gain) > techniques? > What's your preferred method? 6 weenies, 12 Elders, Honor the Elders. Minion Tap. 11 caps for free. Colin Riggs must honor the elders

"Colin Riggs> 6 weenies, 12 Elders, Honor the Elders. Minion Tap. 11 caps for free. I guess it involves either Info Highway or Effective Management, in order to be useful, as with Unwholesome Bond ? Orpheus

> What's your preferred method? Contract/Clandestine Contract - any form of Assamite Combat - Provision of the Silsila - Blood Doll/Minion Tap. Works like a dream. Todd B.

"Timlagor" <Timlagor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:MPG.19c6658f5...@news.freeserve.com... > Anyone want to write a quick rundown on bloating (or just pool-gain) > techniques? > What's your preferred method? -Blood dolls. Hungry coyote. Says it all. -Parity Shift. Transfer of power. -Minion tap + Sacrificial lamb. One of the most underrated combo in history =)

"Timlagor" <Timlagor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:MPG.19c6658f5...@news.freeserve.com... > Anyone want to write a quick rundown on bloating (or just pool-gain) > techniques? > What's your preferred method? I wouldn't call it preferred, just that it was a fun game I played not long back.. by the end I had on the table: 12 vampires, 5 blood dolls, 3 hunting grounds, 3 masters/turn, 17 votes, obf/PRE voting weenies. Strangely enough, that was enough to win the game for me, even with two pure bleed decks bleeding me! hehehe! Go the weenies! Cheers!

Timlagor <Timlagor...@yahoo.com> writes: [ quoted text not captured ] Used to be Sabbat 2-caps, Hungry Coyote and Tribute to the Master, with added Parthenon overkill. Beast or his pals would Hidden Lurk if somebody blocked them. I've grown sick of weenies, but I still love the idea of super hunting. (Anarch Free Press runs a story about Hesha the Anarch with three Blood Dolls hunting Hospital Food at the Inbase Disco using Aaron's Razor...) -- hg@ It's better to open your mouth and appear stupid, iki.fi than to hold it shut and keep thinking you know it all.

The boring old Minion Tap/Voter Cap seems to still be a winner. Hesha with the Razor or Inbase + 3 Blood Dolls. Hungry Coyote + a stack of BDs. Mass Cryptic Mission on BD'ed THAU weenies. Govern the Unaligned. I really think this card is awesome. At our storyline tourney on Sunday, I don't think i had a single bloat with GtU blocked all day. People see you packing DOM and stealth, and think it's far safer to save their intercept to block a bleed instead. In the final alone, I think GtUs bloated me for about 21 pool. noodleboy

"Orpheus" <orph...@free.fr> wrote in message news:3f5ce188$0$20638$626a...@news.free.fr... [ quoted text not captured ] Yeah, about 10 Effective Managments. Actually Ian Lee won a tournament with it so you can find the deck list somewhere on Lasombra's page. Its certainly the most 'fun' way to bloat. Colin Riggs

Timlagor <Timlagor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.19c6658f5...@news.freeserve.com>... > Anyone want to write a quick rundown on bloating (or just pool-gain) > techniques? > What's your preferred method? I'm still partial to the Blood Tears/Blood Doll module, for small-midcap decks without fortitude, but I'll take any pool gain I can get. Example: Ghivran Dalaal (Ravnos 5-cap) is an anarch with one blood and a palatial estate. During untap and master phase, he gets one from his Palatial Estate, I tap The Coven (as passed from the left) for two, move one blood over from a Firebrand, Minion Tap him for five. He hunts this turn, next turn he gets another from Palatial, plays superior Restoration, and is full again, ready for another Tap if needed. wheeeee! If I have to minion tap a 5- or 6-cap, so be it. I'll even play Ascendance if I have extra master slots (rare, but it happens). Con Boon/Bribes is good for at least one pool. :) Sudden pool gain in mid-game can be enough to give a predator incentive to start worrying about his own skin a bit more than yours. I also like Powerbase: Montreal in combination with Dreams, Art Museum (or similar), and/or Info. Highway. One more note: I categorize bleed reduction as a roundabout form of pool gain. Basically, It's just a matter of making room in the library for pool gain, because any deck can bloat a little bit.

nood...@iprimus.net.au (noodleboy) wrote in message news:<e72ec49.03090...@posting.google.com>... [ quoted text not captured ] I myself am a big fan of Consaganious Boon with either weenie vote, Nosferatu Embraces/Progeny or basically any other Clan that can generate stealth. Oh yeah. Dramatic Upheavel combined with Political Flux :)

nood...@iprimus.net.au (noodleboy) wrote in message news:<e72ec49.03090...@posting.google.com>... > Govern the Unaligned. I really think this card is awesome. At our > storyline tourney on Sunday, I don't think i had a single bloat with > GtU blocked all day. People see you packing DOM and stealth, and think > it's far safer to save their intercept to block a bleed instead. In > the final alone, I think GtUs bloated me for about 21 pool. > Funny, govern downs routinely get blocked here, although granted they are more likely to 'slip one through' then a bleed forward. It can get rather annoying when you are purposely leaving your prey alone and yet he still blocks your govern downs. :) G

"Timlagor" <Timlagor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:MPG.19c6658f5...@news.freeserve.com... > Anyone want to write a quick rundown on bloating (or just pool-gain) > techniques? > What's your preferred method? Another fun one that I haven't seen posted yet is Ravnos embrace with tribute to the master and patshiv Eric Freeman

"Eric Freeman" <eric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<xpj7b.10590$Ly2.1...@cletus.bright.net>... [ quoted text not captured ] Perhaps because of this problem: Embraces now come into play as 1-caps with no discipline card. So when you Tribute to the Master, all your Embraces are empty, and must hunt before you have a chance to Patshiv (or to Blood Feast if you're talking about Sabbat Clans). And then when you do get the Patshiv off, they're already full and the blood generated is lost (even if they were all untapped, which they aren't because they all hunted.) And it's not *that* effective of a combination to keep putting discipline cards on Embraces, because that reduces the number of master phase actions you have to Tribute with. Tributes still work fine with Progeny/Creation Rites though; Creation Rites/Tribute/Blood Feast can work well for bloating. -John Flournoy

I think I've had best success with smallish !Toreador, Art Scams, Blood Dolls and Hungry Coyote. Add Fortitude masters, multiple copies of Lolita and Sheila Mezarin and Freak Drives for extra fun. Sometimes my prey is just happy I'm not doing anything to him (yet) and my predator is just happy I'm not blocking many bleeds (no need). Other times someone cross-table will shout "OHMIGODWEMUSTSTOPHIM!" At that point it's useful to lose a minion or two to torpor and go a little low on pool, so I can go back to bloating in peace. :) Matt Morgan Oh poor me. Carter is in torpor. Well, there goes my hope of winning. --

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Matthew T. Morgan wrote: > Oh poor me. Carter is in torpor. Well, there goes my hope of winning. Hey, you *say* that, but I know a guy who "looses as he chooses" if Basil gets dunked. David Cherryholmes Duke Radiology P.E.T. Facility (919) 684-7714 david.che...@duke.edu

> > > Anyone want to write a quick rundown on bloating (or just pool-gain) > > > techniques? What's your preferred method? Blood Dolls on Samedi with Coolers and Hag's Wrinkles. Powerbases with Haunt or Guard Duty.

Emmit Svenson wrote: > > > > > Anyone want to write a quick rundown on bloating (or just pool-gain) > > > > techniques? What's your preferred method? > > Blood Dolls on Samedi with Coolers and Hag's Wrinkles. Hey, Curevei, he's stealing your bad deck!!! Fred

On 9 Sep 2003 14:28:01 -0700, emmits...@hotmail.com (Emmit Svenson) scrawled: [ quoted text not captured ] Guard Duty isn't so hot. You can't do the burn a blood and untap with +1 int thing unless they're coming at your location at stealth, which means you need some other guy to try and block first.... salem domain:canberra http://www.geocities.com/salem_christ.geo/vtes.htm

> My favorit is a Salubri combo. > Minion tap, spirit marionette borrowing some1 elses vampire preferably an > inner cirlce, tapping hindenburg castle and leaving one blood, bleeding and > if the borrowed vampire has fortitude playing daring the dawn :) > > I use it alot in my favorit deck at the moment (Salubri/Harbringers with no > Slaughter Houses) Similarly, Hesha + friends with Temptation, tons of Blood Dolls, Heidelberg Castle. Hesha + Blood dolls is always good, and when the tempted vamps come to refill your other vamps, it's double good. Corruption + Khobar can work too.

Timlagor <Timlagor...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.19c6658f5...@news.freeserve.com>... > Anyone want to write a quick rundown on bloating (or just pool-gain) > techniques? > What's your preferred method? - Ridiculous amount of pool gain: Pile of weenies & Tribute to the master or Consanquineous Boon. - For constant pool gain: Minion Tap/Blood Doll + refill or Parity Sifts with cards that let you control your pool. - Maximum profit without any real (own) loss: Derange+Malkavian Dementia + Minion Tap + Malkavian Time Auction - Maximum profit with maximum loss for someone else: Derange+Dementia+Minion Tap+Golconda - Pool gain with style points: Rush 8+ cap. Vampire. Burn it. Deamonic Possession followed next turn with Golconda - By snakey style: Weenie corruption with Khobar towers - By very stupid way: Having 10+ Malkavian Games (and Parthenon) on your deck and being very very lucky! - By cheating: Let your friend give you 29 pool via Succubus club - By winning: Table sweep will give you 4 or 5 x 6 pool :P - Guzmo

salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<80ctlvknerehlig6e...@4ax.com>... > Guard Duty isn't so hot. You can't do the burn a blood and untap with > +1 int thing unless they're coming at your location at stealth... I'm pretty sure you can use Guard Duty to untap and block (D) actions at your location even if they're at zero stealth. Otherwise, you wouldn't be able to use Second Tradition to untap to block zero stealth actions.

[ quoted text not captured ] Card text on second tradition: "even if intercept is not yet needed" Guard Duty lacks such card text. General rule: cannot add intercept if intercept is not needed. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to V:TES news, rules, cards, utilities, and tournament calendar: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> skrev i meddelandet news:3F61B348...@white-wolf.com... > Emmit Svenson wrote: > > salem <salem_ch...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<80ctlvknerehlig6e...@4ax.com>... > > > >>Guard Duty isn't so hot. You can't do the burn a blood and untap with > >>+1 int thing unless they're coming at your location at stealth... > > > > > > I'm pretty sure you can use Guard Duty to untap and block (D) actions > > at your location even if they're at zero stealth. Otherwise, you > > wouldn't be able to use Second Tradition to untap to block zero > > stealth actions. > > Card text on second tradition: "even if intercept is not yet needed" > Guard Duty lacks such card text. > General rule: cannot add intercept if intercept is not needed. stupied cards should have errata... guard duty is a stupied card! /henrik isaksson

[ quoted text not captured ] Why should rules that you do not understand cause cards that you do not understand to have errata? Try reading the rulebook: [6.2.2] 2. STEALTH AND INTERCEPT Stealth can be added during an action only when needed. Likewise, intercept can be added during an action only when needed. ...and then the card: Guard Duty Action +2 stealth action. Put this card on the acting minion and choose a location. If the chosen location is the target of a (D) action (and you control the location), this minion can burn 1 blood or burn this card to untap and attempt to block with +1 intercept. > /henrik isaksson Kevin M., Prince of Henderson, NV (USA) "Know your enemy, and know yourself; in one-thousand battles you shall never be in peril." -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War* "Contentment... Complacency... Catastrophe!" -- Joseph Chevalier

Kevin M. expounded: > Why should rules that you do not understand cause cards that you do not > understand to have errata? > > Try reading the rulebook: > > [6.2.2] 2. STEALTH AND INTERCEPT > Stealth can be added during an action only when needed. Likewise, intercept > can be added during an action only when needed. > > ...and then the card: > > Guard Duty > Action > +2 stealth action. Put this card on the acting minion and choose a location. > If the chosen location is the target of a (D) action (and you control the > location), this minion can burn 1 blood or burn this card to untap and > attempt to block with +1 intercept. It may fit the rules but it's a damn silly card if you require someone to use stealth against your locatin before your guard can protect it.

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 12:38:35 +0100, Timlagor <Timlagor...@yahoo.com> scrawled: >> Guard Duty >> Action >> +2 stealth action. Put this card on the acting minion and choose a location. >> If the chosen location is the target of a (D) action (and you control the >> location), this minion can burn 1 blood or burn this card to untap and >> attempt to block with +1 intercept. > > >It may fit the rules but it's a damn silly card if you require someone >to use stealth against your locatin before your guard can protect it. Haven't you ever watched movies where the heros walked boldly past the guards with a salute or something and the guards let them in? But when the heros try sneaking in through the back, then gunfire and excitment ensues... ;) [ quoted text not captured ]

salem expounded: > >> Guard Duty > >> Action > >> +2 stealth action. Put this card on the acting minion and choose a location. > >> If the chosen location is the target of a (D) action (and you control the > >> location), this minion can burn 1 blood or burn this card to untap and > >> attempt to block with +1 intercept. > > > > > >It may fit the rules but it's a damn silly card if you require someone > >to use stealth against your locatin before your guard can protect it. > > Haven't you ever watched movies where the heros walked boldly past the > guards with a salute or something and the guards let them in? But when > the heros try sneaking in through the back, then gunfire and excitment > ensues... ;) Exactly. What could be more silly than something that happens in a film? ;P

Timlagor <Timlagor...@yahoo.com> writes: > What's your preferred method? After yesterday's Storyline Turku (Finland), I have a new favorite method: Blood Dolled Antoinette DuChamp and oodles of Life in the City. (She hunts if I do not have a LitC in my hand.) The last game went like this: my predator: "My turn, no master. First, Muddles..." me: "...will rush Antoinette again?" my predator: "Yes." :) [ quoted text not captured ]

"Kevin M." <you...@imaspammer.org> skrev i meddelandet news:xzy8b.54177$nf3.37093@fed1read07... > Henrik Isaksson <hen...@nissamedia.net> wrote: > >> Card text on second tradition: "even if intercept is not yet needed" > >> Guard Duty lacks such card text. > >> General rule: cannot add intercept if intercept is not needed. > > > > stupied cards should have errata... guard duty is a stupied card! > > Why should rules that you do not understand cause cards that you do not > understand to have errata? I understand the rules perfectly well. Where do I claim not to understand the rules or this card? What's silly is that I believe that the person that designed Guard duty intended it to be usable if a minion targets the location with zero stealth. <snip some things from rulebook which has nothing to do with topic> /henrik isaksson