(Deck) Childer of the Vulture

Deck Name : Childer of the Vulture Author : Norman S. Brown, Jr Description : This is a weenie Gangrel Antitribu Embrace deck where you use Clan Impersonate and Muricia's Special to tool up the Gangrel Antitribu with Superior Spiritus to Vulture Buffet or Embrace every turn. Crypt [12 vampires] Capacity min: 2 max: 7 average: 4.67 ------------------------------------------------------------ 4x Muricia 7 ANI PRE SPI Ahrimane:4 1x Janey Pickman 6 ANI PRO for !Gangrel:4 1x Charlie Tyne 4 obf pro ser !Gangrel:4 1x Jeffrey Mullins 4 OBF cel !Gangrel:4 1x Rashid Stockton 4 cel obf vic !Gangrel:5 1x Bill Butler 3 pot pro !Gangrel:4 1x Lula Burch 3 for pro !Gangrel:4 1x Denette Stensen 2 obf !Gangrel:4 1x Leo Washington 2 cel pro !Gangrel:4 Library [90 cards] ------------------------------------------------------------ Action [34] 7x Clan Impersonation 15x Embrace, The 12x Vulture's Buffet Action Modifier [24] 8x Cloak the Gathering 8x Squirrel Balance 8x Veil the Legions Combat [1] 1x Claws of the Dead Master [19] 1x Campground Hunting Ground 3x Effective Management 1x Elder Library 1x Hungry Coyote, The 4x Obfuscate 1x Storage Annex 8x Tribute to the Master Retainer [12] 12x D'habi Revenant Crafted with : Anarch Revolt Deck Builder. [Thu Dec 20 15:30:57 2007] Comments Welcome, Norman S. Brown, Jr XZealot Archon of the Swamp

[ quoted text not captured ] Silly Norm. Muricia is STERILE!!! And the ones that Muricia converts are too! Vegas gNat

[ quoted text not captured ] Silly Gnat, the ones that Muricia converts are only STERILE when the are Arihimanes. When you put the Clan Impersonation on the Gangrel Antitribu (making them Gangrel Antitribu) it overides Muricia's special leaving them with a level of Spiritus, but a non-sterile Gangrel Antitribu. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] > Archon of the Swamp- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Why does the Clan Impersonation remove the sterile trait? If Muricia Clan Impersonates to !Gangrel, she would not lose the sterile trait. Text on Muricia states that the vampire becomes a sterile Ahrimane. Clan Impersonation simply changes the clan of the vampire, so wouldn't that then make the vamp a sterile Blahblahblah. LSJ? Vegas gNat

[ quoted text not captured ] Sabbat: During your untap phase, a Gangrel antitribu you control may burn 1 blood to become a sterile Ahrimane and gain 1 level of Spiritus. +1 strength. Sterile. Because the sterile trait is directly linked to being an Ahrimane. If it said that "During your untap phase, a Gangrel antitribu you control may burn 1 blood to become an Ahrimane and gain 1 level of Spiritus. That vampire becomes sterile." then it would permanently render that vampire sterile. [ quoted text not captured ]

XZealot schrieb: > Deck Name : Childer of the Vulture > Author : Norman S. Brown, Jr > Description : > This is a weenie Gangrel Antitribu Embrace deck where you use Clan > Impersonate I stopped reading here. Any reference to "Clan Impersonation" makes me quit reading a decklist. :) -- Johannes Walch

On 21 dec, 15:40, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > Because the sterile trait is directly linked to being an Ahrimane. No it isn't.

XZealot <xze...@cox.net> writes: > Because the sterile trait is directly linked to being an Ahrimane. Where does it say so? The online rulebook (chapter 11, "Special terms") says: "Sterile: Sterile vampires cannot take actions to put other vampires in play." And "Rules glossary" from the same source: "Sterile: A vampire that cannot take an action to create a vampire." That's *all*. Nowhere does it say that it's linked to being an Ahrimane. In fact, the only mention of Ahrimanes is a list of Sabbat clans and bloodlines. HG -- hg@ "If you can't offend part of your audience, iki.fi there is no point in being an artist at all." -Hakim Bey

[ quoted text not captured ] The exact text is "a sterile Arihimane". I think LSJ is going to have to make a pronouncement one way or the other.

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[ quoted text not captured ] 1) What exact text? The only place "sterile Ahrimane" appears in the current card set is on Muricia's text. 2) No, LSJ shouldn't have to make a pronouncement, since everything indicates only one answer (which happens to be the correct one). If there's some ambiguity, please describe it.

[ quoted text not captured ] If a vampire who is converted to a sterile Ahrimane by Muricia's text then switches clans (say to Ventrue), does the vampire remaile sterile?

If a vampire who is converted to a sterile Ahrimane by Muricia's text then switches clans (say to Ventrue), does the vampire remain sterile?

[ quoted text not captured ] I understand the issue. I'm wondering why the answer indicated by card text and rules text is not taken as the answer. That is, what makes the alternative seem, in any way, possible?

[ quoted text not captured ] I was looking for a straight answer, so fuck it.

[ quoted text not captured ] > I was looking for a straight answer, so fuck it.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I am with ya on this one Swampy...wouldn't it have just been easier to answer. the. question? He could have just responded "correct" to the "no it isn't" comment. Vegas gNat

On 22 dec, 20:30, tigernat1 <tigern...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Dec 22, 9:05 am, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Dec 22, 10:43 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > > > XZealot wrote: > > > > On Dec 22, 9:09 am, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > > > >> XZealot wrote: > > > >>> On Dec 21, 10:45 am, Teeka <teeka_dra...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >>>> On 21 dec, 15:40, XZealot <xzea...@cox.net> wrote: > > > >>>>> Because the sterile trait is directly linked to being an Ahrimane. > > > >>>> No it isn't. > > > >>> The exact text is "a sterile Arihimane". I think LSJ is going to have > > > >>> to make a pronouncement one way or the other. > > > >> 1) What exact text? The only place "sterile Ahrimane" appears in the current > > > >> card set is on Muricia's text. > > > > >> 2) No, LSJ shouldn't have to make a pronouncement, since everything indicates > > > >> only one answer (which happens to be the correct one). > > > > >> If there's some ambiguity, please describe it. > > > > > If a vampire who is converted to a sterile Ahrimane by Muricia's text > > > > then switches clans (say to Ventrue), does the vampire remaile > > > > sterile? > > > > I understand the issue. I'm wondering why the answer indicated by card text and > > > rules text is not taken as the answer. > > > > That is, what makes the alternative seem, in any way, possible? > > > I was looking for a straight answer, so fuck it > > I am with ya on this one Swampy...wouldn't it have just been easier to > answer. the. question? He could have just responded "correct" to the > "no it isn't" comment. > > Vegas gNat I'm with scott on this one. An answer has been given. If he doesnt understand it, perhaps he should strive to understand it, so he doesnt ask stupid questions again. So. Yes, there'd be a sterile ventrue. read any trait other sterile instead, if that makes it more clear. Black Hand Ahrimane. CE - still black hand. Cheers, B

[ quoted text not captured ] I gave you one. Straight, short, clear. You didn't buy it. Scott was wondering why. > > I am with ya on this one Swampy...wouldn't it have just been easier to > > answer. the. question? He could have just responded "correct" to the > > "no it isn't" comment. > > > Vegas gNat > > I'm with scott on this one. An answer has been given. If he doesnt > understand it, perhaps he should strive to understand it, so he doesnt > ask stupid questions again. > > So. Yes, there'd be a sterile ventrue. > read any trait other sterile instead, if that makes it more clear. > Black Hand Ahrimane. CE - still black hand. > > Cheers, > B- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven - > > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven - Real world example: I buy a blue chair. I saw off the back of the chair. Now I have a table. Is the table still blue? Answer: yes, because the "blueness" and "chairness" had nothing to do with each other. Back to card text: ".. becomes a sterile Ahrimane". Are the sterile trait and the membership of clan Ahrimane connected by game rules (like the title of prince and membership of the Camarilla sect)? Answer: no. So, if one changes, the other is unaffected.

In article <fkgp2h$b21$1...@news01.versatel.de>, Johannes Walch <johanne...@vekn.de> wrote: > I stopped reading here. Any reference to "Clan Impersonation" makes me > quit reading a decklist. Dude! The key to *any* good deck strategy is "First I Clan Impersonate..." -Peter Peter D Bakija pd...@lightlink.com http://www.lightlink.com/pdb6/vtes.html "Find hungry samurai." -The Old Man

Peter D Bakija wrote: > In article <fkgp2h$b21$1...@news01.versatel.de>, > Johannes Walch <johanne...@vekn.de> wrote: > >> I stopped reading here. Any reference to "Clan Impersonation" makes me >> quit reading a decklist. > > Dude! The key to *any* good deck strategy is "First I Clan > Impersonate..." Ah. So it's common to your playgroup then. I mentioned the preceding post to Jon, and he replied saying that if he notices "First I Clan Impersonate..." that is when he _starts_ reading... :) -- salem (replace 'hotmail' with 'yahoo' to email)

In article <476f0d40$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Salem <salem_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Ah. So it's common to your playgroup then. I mentioned the preceding > post to Jon, and he replied saying that if he notices "First I Clan > Impersonate..." that is when he _starts_ reading... Oh, absolutely. I'm glad it has spread trans-continentally. [ quoted text not captured ]

In message <pdb6-DE9FAF.2...@news-server.stny.rr.com>, Peter D Bakija <pd...@lightlink.com> writes: >In article <476f0d40$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, > Salem <salem_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Ah. So it's common to your playgroup then. I mentioned the preceding >> post to Jon, and he replied saying that if he notices "First I Clan >> Impersonate..." that is when he _starts_ reading... > >Oh, absolutely. I'm glad it has spread trans-continentally. You make it sound like syphilis. (To be fair, I'm not sure which one has the biggest problems.) -- James Coupe PGP Key: 0x5D623D5D YOU ARE IN ERROR. EBD690ECD7A1FB457CA2 NO-ONE IS SCREAMING. 13D7E668C3695D623D5D THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.