rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad

(LSJ) Saqqaf and Eternal Mask question

8 messages from 4 participants · 21 April 2008 – 22 April 2008
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Rehlow

LSJ, I have Nehsi in my ash heap. Saqqaf plays Eternal Mask at superior, targetting Nehsi, moves all his blood to Nehsi and plays Daring the Dawn at inferior. The action is successful and I would gain 1 pool from Saqqaf's special before Daring the Dawn burns Saqqaf with 2 aggravated damage (Saqqaf has no blood because he moved it all to Nehsi), correct? Next, Nehsi plays Eternal Mask at superior, targetting Saqqaf, moves all his blood to Saqqaf and plays Daring the Dawn at inferior. Finally, Saqqaf plays Eternal Mask at superior, targetting Nehsi, moves all his blood to Nehsi and plays Daring the Dawn at inferior. I now gain another 1 pool, because this Saqqaf and this special ability is different than what happened earlier due to the ash heap wiping memory, correct? Thanks, ~Rehlow Saqqaf's special If Saqqaf successfully performs an action requiring Serpentis, you gain 1 pool. You may only gain 1 pool this way each turn. Eternal Mask +1 stealth action. [ser] (D) Bleed at +1 bleed. [SER] Put this card on this vampire and move a unique vampire from any ash heap to your ready region with any amount of blood from this acting vampire. The minion with this card cannot take actions, block, play reaction cards or vote. You may burn this card and the chosen vampire during any untap phase.

LSJ

Rehlow wrote: > LSJ, > > I have Nehsi in my ash heap. Saqqaf plays Eternal Mask at superior, > targetting Nehsi, moves all his blood to Nehsi and plays Daring the > Dawn at inferior. The action is successful and I would gain 1 pool > from Saqqaf's special before Daring the Dawn burns Saqqaf with 2 > aggravated damage (Saqqaf has no blood because he moved it all to > Nehsi), correct? Well, he plays Daring the Dawn before the action resolves (so before moving all his remaining blood to Nehsi), but yes. > Next, Nehsi plays Eternal Mask at superior, targetting Saqqaf, moves > all his blood to Saqqaf and plays Daring the Dawn at inferior. DtD as above. > Finally, Saqqaf plays Eternal Mask at superior, targetting Nehsi, > moves all his blood to Nehsi and plays Daring the Dawn at inferior. I > now gain another 1 pool, because this Saqqaf and this special ability > is different than what happened earlier due to the ash heap wiping > memory, correct? Correct. [ quoted text not captured ]

Rehlow

On Apr 21, 4:41 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: > Rehlow wrote: > > LSJ, > > > I have Nehsi in my ash heap. Saqqaf plays Eternal Mask at superior, > > targetting Nehsi, moves all his blood to Nehsi and plays Daring the > > Dawn at inferior. The action is successful and I would gain 1 pool > > from Saqqaf's special before Daring the Dawn burns Saqqaf with 2 > > aggravated damage (Saqqaf has no blood because he moved it all to > > Nehsi), correct? > > Well, he plays Daring the Dawn before the action resolves (so before moving all > his remaining blood to Nehsi), but yes. > Ah yes, I did write the sequence of events in the wrong order. Eternal Mask gets played and I have to announce the target of the EM right now, but not how much blood will move, correct? Then the Daring the Dawn is played. The blood will move to the EM target before the DtD damage happens, correct? > > Next, Nehsi plays Eternal Mask at superior, targetting Saqqaf, moves > > all his blood to Saqqaf and plays Daring the Dawn at inferior. > > DtD as above. > > > Finally, Saqqaf plays Eternal Mask at superior, targetting Nehsi, > > moves all his blood to Nehsi and plays Daring the Dawn at inferior. I > > now gain another 1 pool, because this Saqqaf and this special ability > > is different than what happened earlier due to the ash heap wiping > > memory, correct? > > Correct. > > > > > Thanks, > > ~Rehlow > > > Saqqaf's special > > If Saqqaf successfully performs an action requiring Serpentis, you > > gain 1 pool. You may only gain 1 pool this way each turn. > > > Eternal Mask > > +1 stealth action. > > [ser] (D) Bleed at +1 bleed. > > [SER] Put this card on this vampire and move a unique vampire from > > any > > ash heap to your ready region with any amount of blood from this > > acting vampire. The minion with this card cannot take actions, block, > > play reaction cards or vote. You may burn this card and the chosen > > vampire during any untap phase.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -

LSJ

Rehlow wrote: > On Apr 21, 4:41 pm, LSJ <vtes...@white-wolf.com> wrote: >> Rehlow wrote: >>> LSJ, >>> I have Nehsi in my ash heap. Saqqaf plays Eternal Mask at superior, >>> targetting Nehsi, moves all his blood to Nehsi and plays Daring the >>> Dawn at inferior. The action is successful and I would gain 1 pool >>> from Saqqaf's special before Daring the Dawn burns Saqqaf with 2 >>> aggravated damage (Saqqaf has no blood because he moved it all to >>> Nehsi), correct? >> Well, he plays Daring the Dawn before the action resolves (so before moving all >> his remaining blood to Nehsi), but yes. >> > > Ah yes, I did write the sequence of events in the wrong order. Eternal > Mask gets played and I have to announce the target of the EM right > now, but not how much blood will move, correct? Then the Daring the > Dawn is played. The blood will move to the EM target before the DtD > damage happens, correct? Yes.

RocketEddy

[ quoted text not captured ] So what happens if Saqquaf plays EM with daring the dawn, and targets another Saqquaf in the ash heap. Do you end up with one ready untapped Saqquaf with all the blood of the original, one burned Saqquaf, and one more pool than you started? Or does the Saqquaf entering play contest the original and burn immediately (before you can move blood), and then the original takes 2 agg?

witness1

[ quoted text not captured ] You can't choose to self-contest, and thus can't target Saqqaf in the ash heap if you've already got one in play.

LSJ

RocketEddy wrote: > So what happens if [Saqqaf] plays [Eternal Mask] with daring the dawn, and targets > another Saqquaf in the ash heap. Do you end up with one ready untapped > Saqquaf with all the blood of the original, one burned Saqquaf, and > one more pool than you started? > > Or does the Saqquaf entering play contest the original and burn > immediately (before you can move blood), and then the original takes 2 > agg? It comes into play "with any amount of blood from this vampire", so you can move blood to it. But then the incoming copy would burn (not sticking around to see if the acting vampire would eventually be burned by Daring the Dawn). You would still gain a pool for the successful action, though.

LSJ

witness1 wrote: > On Apr 22, 8:19 am, RocketEddy <eddyt3...@aol.com> wrote: >> So what happens if Saqquaf plays [Eternal Mask] with daring the dawn, and targets >> another Saqquaf in the ash heap. Do you end up with one ready untapped >> Saqquaf with all the blood of the original, one burned Saqquaf, and >> one more pool than you started? >> >> Or does the Saqquaf entering play contest the original and burn >> immediately (before you can move blood), and then the original takes 2 >> agg? > > You can't choose to self-contest, and thus can't target Saqqaf in the > ash heap if you've already got one in play. And that, too. :-)