In article <327C45...@infomatch.com>, Karl Innes <in...@infomatch.com>
wrote:
> This is just a quick question but has anyone gotten any response
> from WOTC ever? I posted a letter outlining my displeasure at the trend
> of escalation to their web-site. Should I hold my breath for any
> feedback?? (WOTC netrep feel free to field this one)
That's why I'm here. Trust me, I'm getting plenty of feedback on the
thoughts about escalation... :)
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a.k.a."Scalpel" Customer Service, Wizards of the Coast
"This isn't going to have a happy ending"
-Detective Somerset, Se7en
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>That's why I'm here. Trust me, I'm getting plenty of feedback on the
>thoughts about escalation... :)
Yes, but you're never here.
Sorrow
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I don't want to be alone | I hurt, therefore I am
anymore |--------------------------------
I don't want to be anyone | "What are you looking at...?
anymore | you never seen anyone try to
I don't need a reason to kill myself | commit suicide before?" - Anon
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Jon Wilkie wrote:
>
> In article <327C45...@infomatch.com>, Karl Innes <in...@infomatch.com>
> wrote:
>
> > This is just a quick question but has anyone gotten any response
> > from WOTC ever? I posted a letter outlining my displeasure at the trend
> > of escalation to their web-site. Should I hold my breath for any
> > feedback?? (WOTC netrep feel free to field this one)
>> That's why I'm here. Trust me, I'm getting plenty of feedback on the
> thoughts about escalation... :)
>> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Jon Wilkie Wot...@aol.com
> a.k.a."Scalpel" Customer Service, Wizards of the Coast
> "This isn't going to have a happy ending"
> -Detective Somerset, Se7en
> -------------------------------------------------------------
Great!! good to see your name appearing in the newsgroup. I've played a few games vs the new sabbat
expansion and this is the feedback from my particular play group
- liked the added dimensions that new cards brought
- were for the most part confused by the lack of rules concerning politics in a Camarilla/sabbat
environment.
-felt (and I agree totally here) that some of the vamps were underpriced.
-as a group felt that a pure sabbat deck was at a disadvantage vs pure camarilla or mixed.(mainly due
to the lack of key cards, Minion tap comes to mind)
-especially happy to see the return of combat intensive decks to our play groups due to the abundance
of new combat related cards.
personally I have a big beef with the new political system. Could you find out why the playtest group
decided to include the Prisci vote?? Was it the inteniton of the Playtesting group to alter the basic structure
of the voting system. I'll explain my rational...
1/ Voting decks rely on controlling the vote in order to succeed in the game
2/ the more people participating in a game the lesser the chance that any one player will control the
vote.
3/ If the votes are seggregated in who may or may not participate, then the voting intensive decks have
less votes to contend with. ie. If half of the vamps are unable to vote because they are Sabbat, then the
voting deck has only half the resistance it would of had if there had been no segregation of the vote.
This of course is only relevent at present to certain cards. As the rules stand now ( even though it
makes very little sense to have sabbat vampires controlling a praxis siezure for instance.) sabbat vampires are
only banned from calling certain votes not participating in them.
My personal opinion is that the political structure should never have been changed. It wasn't hampered
when the other expansions were released, why should you start now??
Thanks, Karl
In article <328AA3...@infomatch.com>, Karl Innes <in...@infomatch.com> wrote:
> This of course is only relevent at present to certain cards. As
the rules stand now ( even though it
> makes very little sense to have sabbat vampires controlling a praxis
siezure for instance.) sabbat vampires are
> only banned from calling certain votes not participating in them.
Don't think of votes as all the vampires sitting in a big room, raising
their hands. Voting in the game is a complex game of gaining the favor of
those in power, using Prestation and intimidation, and heavy amounts of
intrigue. That's why the Sabbat can vote as well.
> My personal opinion is that the political structure should never
have been changed. It wasn't hampered
> when the other expansions were released, why should you start now??
We needed a change. The Sabbat shakes things up, and changes the way many
decks work. It encourages people to re-think VTES, and how they play it.
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In article <328AA3...@infomatch.com>, Karl Innes <in...@infomatch.com> wrote:
> personally I have a big beef with the new political system. Could
you find out why the playtest group
> decided to include the Prisci vote?? Was it the inteniton of the
Playtesting group to alter the basic structure
> of the voting system. I'll explain my rational...
>
> 1/ Voting decks rely on controlling the vote in order to succeed
in the game
>
> 2/ the more people participating in a game the lesser the chance
that any one player will control the
> vote.
>
> 3/ If the votes are seggregated in who may or may not
participate, then the voting intensive decks have
> less votes to contend with. ie. If half of the vamps are unable to vote
because they are Sabbat, then the
> voting deck has only half the resistance it would of had if there had
been no segregation of the vote.
>> This of course is only relevent at present to certain cards. As
the rules stand now ( even though it
> makes very little sense to have sabbat vampires controlling a praxis
siezure for instance.) sabbat vampires are
> only banned from calling certain votes not participating in them.
The rules never say that Sabbat vampires cannot vote on Praxis Seizures,
only that they can't call them--just as Camarilla vamps can't call
Crusades, nor Independents either. (Camarilla are barred by card text from
voting on Cardinals and Prisci, which may be overkill--I'd vote to instead
give all Sabbat of the candidate's clan an estra vote, mirroring the
Justicars.)
> My personal opinion is that the political structure should never
have been changed. It wasn't hampered
> when the other expansions were released, why should you start now??
Well, Dark Sovereigns did make some changes (Independents and the Inner
Circle...)
J. Andrew Lipscomb <ew...@chattanooga.net, them...@delphi.com>
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