S:CE and DotB

Will Drawing out the Beast at superior still deal damage when a S:CE is played?

In article <340F24...@lmco.com>, Quicksilver <michae...@lmco.com> wrote: > > Will Drawing out the Beast at superior > still deal damage when a S:CE is played? Yes, it will. LSJ's rules reference makes this clear. The listing for S:CE says something like "(Goto Step X)" and step X has the end of combat effects one of which would be DotB. -Robert Goudie -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet

In article <8734918...@dejanews.com>, Robert Goudie <robert...@studio.disney.com> wrote: >In article <340F24...@lmco.com>, > Quicksilver <michae...@lmco.com> wrote: >> >> Will Drawing out the Beast at superior >> still deal damage when a S:CE is played? > >Yes, it will. LSJ's rules reference makes this clear. The listing >for S:CE says something like "(Goto Step X)" and step X has the >end of combat effects one of which would be DotB. How about if the Elysium is tapped to end combat before range, but after Drawing Out the Beast is played (the reacting Methuselah taps Elysium)? Is the damage still dealt? Brian

Robert Goudie wrote: > > In article <340F24...@lmco.com>, > Quicksilver <michae...@lmco.com> wrote: > > > > Will Drawing out the Beast at superior > > still deal damage when a S:CE is played? > > Yes, it will. LSJ's rules reference makes this clear. The listing > for S:CE says something like "(Goto Step X)" and step X has the > end of combat effects one of which would be DotB. > > -Robert Goudie > Drawing out the Beast is an end of _round_ effect, not an end of combat effect. Ending combat will take you past the resolution of end of round effects. So, no, DoB will not deal damage if S:CE is played in that round. -- Jeffrey Endres Undergrad B. Eng (Aerospace Avionics) Queensland University of Technology `We live in our minds, and existence is the attempt to bring that into physical reality, to state it in gesture and form' -Ayn Rand

In article <3414BB...@student.qut.edu.au>, Jeffrey Endres <j.en...@student.qut.edu.au> wrote: > > Robert Goudie wrote: > > > > In article <340F24...@lmco.com>, > > Quicksilver <michae...@lmco.com> wrote: > > > > > > Will Drawing out the Beast at superior > > > still deal damage when a S:CE is played? > > > > Yes, it will. LSJ's rules reference makes this clear. The listing > > for S:CE says something like "(Goto Step X)" and step X has the > > end of combat effects one of which would be DotB. > > > > -Robert Goudie > > > Drawing out the Beast is an end of _round_ effect, not an end of combat > effect. > > Ending combat will take you past the resolution of end of round effects. > > So, no, DoB will not deal damage if S:CE is played in that round. > I used the wrong term. My fault for not actually quoting the original source. But when combat ends from a S:CE (or Elysium, etc.) you go to the end of round effects. See the official rules reference quotes below. 2. Resolve Strikes. a. Strikes resolve in the following order. If both strikes are in the same class, then they resolve simultaneously. [15.3] i. Strike: Combat Ends. (8.3) (Go to step F) [clip] F. Round Ends. (21) [15.1] 1. Apply any end-of-round effects. 2. If the last Press was used to continue Combat, then Combat continues (Go back to step A). So DotB damage is taken even if combat ends. [ quoted text not captured ]

In article <8734918...@dejanews.com> Robert Goudie <robert...@studio.disney.com> wrote: > In article <340F24...@lmco.com>, > Quicksilver <michae...@lmco.com> wrote: > > In article <340F24...@lmco.com>, Quicksilver <michae...@lmco.com> wrote: > > Will Drawing out the Beast at superior > still deal damage when a S:CE is played? Yes, it will. LSJ's rules reference makes this clear. The listing for S:CE says something like "(Goto Step X)" and step X has the end of combat effects one of which would be DotB. -Robert Goudie -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- [ quoted text not captured ]

Jeffrey Endres wrote: > > Quicksilver <michae...@lmco.com> wrote: > > > Will Drawing out the Beast at superior > > > still deal damage when a S:CE is played? > Drawing out the Beast is an end of _round_ effect, not an end of combat > effect. > > Ending combat will take you past the resolution of end of round effects. End of Round is *not* a phase of combat that only occurs after the Press phase. If DotB's damage was applied during a set phase (like "during the Press step, take a damage"), then it would be bypassed by S:CE, etc. But it is not. The round cannot continue past the end of combat. If combat ends, then the round must also end. DotB's damage will occur at that time. -- L. Scott Johnson (vte...@regency.wizards.com) Official VtES Net.Rep for Wizards of the Coast. (*) - Subject to review by Rules Team

Quicksilver wrote: > > Will Drawing out the Beast at superior > still deal damage when a S:CE is played? Yes. It will also deal its damage if the round ends prematurely due to one of the combatants no longer being ready (going to torpor, for instance). [ quoted text not captured ]

Brian Wellington wrote: > How about if the Elysium is tapped to end combat before range, but after > Drawing Out the Beast is played (the reacting Methuselah taps Elysium)? > Is the damage still dealt? The victim of DotB will take a point of damage at the end of each round of combat, without regard to the reason the round is ending (card text only refers to the end of the round, not the reason). If a round ends prematurely, regardless of the reason, it is still the end of the round, and DotB damage will be applied. This includes: Mariel's special, S:CE (incl. superior FoM), going to torpor, burning opponent, Elysium: Arboretum, Rotschreck, and Legacy of Power. [ quoted text not captured ]