Alvaro!

Alright, I just got back from a Sabbat/Sabbat War sealed deck tournament, up here in Boston. 3VP, not bad for my first tourney... But anyway.. the question of Alvaro came up, and how his "abstaining" ability works. That is.. what constitutes "abstaining from a vote"? There was an attempt to Excommunicate him (which failed), but we asked what would happen to his special ability. Our judge ruled that, if Alvaro lost his title, and did not have voting rights, then he could not gain the two blood by "not voting". But I seem to remember reading a ruling that he _could_ gain this blood, much the same as Gratiano still gets his +1 Priscus vote. What's the official word, LSJ? And what if Alvaro is in Torpor? Does he gain blood during votes then? Thanks.

"Jozxyqk" <jfeu...@eecs.tufts.edu> a écrit dans le message news: thcv6.7608$De3.1...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... [ quoted text not captured ] to vote, you must have voices. no title, no abstention, therefore no gain for alvaro i presume. wether votes gained by cards like 'bewitching oration' can be used for abstention i cannot say... he can still make younger vampire vote for him with cards like "kindred coercion" if he's able to play them. in torpor he can't vote anyway.

Jozxyqk wrote: > > Alright, I just got back from a Sabbat/Sabbat War > sealed deck tournament, up here in Boston. > 3VP, not bad for my first tourney... > > But anyway.. the question of Alvaro came up, and how > his "abstaining" ability works. > > That is.. what constitutes "abstaining from a vote"? Not voting. A vampire either casts a vote(s) in the referendum (for or against) or he abstains. > There was an attempt to Excommunicate him (which failed), > but we asked what would happen to his special ability. > Our judge ruled that, if Alvaro lost his title, and > did not have voting rights, then he could not gain the > two blood by "not voting". But I seem to remember reading > a ruling that he _could_ gain this blood, much the same > as Gratiano still gets his +1 Priscus vote. > > What's the official word, LSJ? He gets his blood if he doesn't cast any votes, even if he doesn't have a title any more. > And what if Alvaro is in Torpor? Does he gain blood during > votes then? Yes. -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

-- "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3ABF2973...@white-wolf.com... > Jozxyqk wrote: > > > > Alright, I just got back from a Sabbat/Sabbat War > > sealed deck tournament, up here in Boston. > > 3VP, not bad for my first tourney... > > > > But anyway.. the question of Alvaro came up, and how > > his "abstaining" ability works. > > > > That is.. what constitutes "abstaining from a vote"? > > Not voting. A vampire either casts a vote(s) in the referendum > (for or against) or he abstains. > > > There was an attempt to Excommunicate him (which failed), > > but we asked what would happen to his special ability. > > Our judge ruled that, if Alvaro lost his title, and > > did not have voting rights, then he could not gain the > > two blood by "not voting". But I seem to remember reading > > a ruling that he _could_ gain this blood, much the same > > as Gratiano still gets his +1 Priscus vote. > > > > What's the official word, LSJ? > > He gets his blood if he doesn't cast any votes, even if he > doesn't have a title any more. > > > And what if Alvaro is in Torpor? Does he gain blood during > > votes then? > > Yes. What if a Banishment is called on Alvaro, does he gain blood before becoming uncontrolled?

Roger Carhult wrote: > What if a Banishment is called on Alvaro, does he gain blood before becoming > uncontrolled? No. He gains the blood "at the end of the action", by which time he is uncontrolled (and so he gains no blood). [ quoted text not captured ]

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> a écrit dans le message news: 3ABF2973...@white-wolf.com... (snip) > > That is.. what constitutes "abstaining from a vote"? > > Not voting. A vampire either casts a vote(s) in the referendum > (for or against) or he abstains. (snip) > [alvaro] gets his blood if he doesn't cast any votes, even if he > doesn't have a title any more. > > > And what if Alvaro is in Torpor? Does he gain blood during > > votes then? > > Yes. I thought you could'nt "participate" and vote in a referendum if you had no votes or if you were in torpor region... Nevermind, what if Alvaro's votes are : Cancelled by reaction pulling strings ? changed to something other than abstention by kindred coercion ? cancelled by modifier telepathic vote counting ? cancelled by master "detection" ? and what if alvaro's title is contested ? if he can gain 2 blood each referendum, even in torpor, is his special slightly overpowered ? [ quoted text not captured ]

Reyda wrote: > > "LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> a écrit dans le message news: > 3ABF2973...@white-wolf.com... > (snip) > > > That is.. what constitutes "abstaining from a vote"? > > > > Not voting. A vampire either casts a vote(s) in the referendum > > (for or against) or he abstains. > (snip) > > [alvaro] gets his blood if he doesn't cast any votes, even if he > > doesn't have a title any more. > > > > > And what if Alvaro is in Torpor? Does he gain blood during > > > votes then? > > > > Yes. > > I thought you could'nt "participate" and vote in a referendum if you had no > votes or if you were in torpor region... Nevermind, what if Alvaro's votes > are : > Cancelled by reaction pulling strings ? > changed to something other than abstention by kindred coercion ? > cancelled by modifier telepathic vote counting ? > cancelled by master "detection" ? > and what if alvaro's title is contested ? > > if he can gain 2 blood each referendum, even in torpor, is his special > slightly overpowered ? Alvaro, like every other vampire, either votes or abstains. There is no third option. If he doesn't vote, he abstains. If he votes (either in favor or against), he doesn't abstain. [ quoted text not captured ]