LSJ

Can I use the maneuver granted by a weapon used by a Ghoul Retainer I'm equipped with? Thanx

"Cartman" <federi...@libero.it> wrote in news:mtZ28.22891$ly.7...@twister1.libero.it: > Can I use the maneuver granted by a weapon used by a Ghoul Retainer I'm > equipped with? For a minion to use the maneuver from a weapon he has to strike with that weapon, preventing the Ghoul Retainer from using that weapon. You can't use the maneuver from two different weapons either since then you'd have to strike with both in one strike, which is impossible. Short answer: No. :-) Flux

[ quoted text not captured ] Correct. (Cartman: use subject lines to indicate the subject of the post). -- LSJ (vte...@white-wolf.com) V:TES Net.Rep for White Wolf, Inc. Links to revised rulebook, rulings, errata, and tournament rules: http://www.white-wolf.com/vtes/

"Cartman" <federi...@libero.it> wrote in message news:<mtZ28.22891$ly.7...@twister1.libero.it>... > Can I use the maneuver granted by a weapon used by a Ghoul Retainer I'm > equipped with? > > Thanx Now that I've noticed someone else mentioning the ghoul retainer I'd just like to go, wow it really doesn't count as making a strike? So it can use a flamethrower to do a hit, that can't be dodged? Even during an Immortal grapple? Heck even with a Drawn out Beast. And the ghoul will still fire even if his controller was sent to torpor with first strike? Plus the hit can't be stopped by most fortitude cards, those that only effect stikes. He does cost 2 pool, and he's unique, but still it seems like he's getting better and better. Heck he's more fearsome in combat than most vampires! Wisefool Mercuriel

"Matt" <mathi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:589ebf00.02012...@posting.google.com... > "Cartman" <federi...@libero.it> wrote in message news:<mtZ28.22891$ly.7...@twister1.libero.it>... > > Can I use the maneuver granted by a weapon used by a Ghoul Retainer I'm > > equipped with? > > > > Thanx > > Now that I've noticed someone else mentioning the ghoul retainer I'd > just like to go, wow it really doesn't count as making a strike? it's different from your employing minion strike, yes. > So > it can use a flamethrower to do a hit, that can't be dodged? Yes. > Even > during an Immortal grapple? Heck even with a Drawn out Beast. yes and yes. Isn't that nice ? =) > And > the ghoul will still fire even if his controller was sent to torpor > with first strike? Nope. the ghoul and the employing vampire "share" the same strike resolution. If you strike with first strike, so does your ghoul. If you are hit with first strike and send to torpor, your ghoul won't hit your opponent either. > Plus the hit can't be stopped by most fortitude > cards, those that only effect stikes. Skin of Rock, Flesh of marble, Hidden strength, Resilience, Apparition (...) will still hose your ghoul strike easily. > He does cost 2 pool, and he's > unique no, a ghoul retainer is not unique. you can have multiples in play, even many on the same vampire. > but still it seems like he's getting better and better. Heck > he's more fearsome in combat than most vampires! Let's say your opponent faces multiple opponents instead of only one. ;) reyda

> Now that I've noticed someone else mentioning the ghoul retainer I'd > just like to go, wow it really doesn't count as making a strike? So > it can use a flamethrower to do a hit, that can't be dodged? Even > during an Immortal grapple? Heck even with a Drawn out Beast. And > the ghoul will still fire even if his controller was sent to torpor > with first strike? Plus the hit can't be stopped by most fortitude > cards, those that only effect stikes. He does cost 2 pool, and he's > unique, but still it seems like he's getting better and better. Heck > he's more fearsome in combat than most vampires! Just wait 'till yer tool up with 3 or 4 GRs.... 6 - 8 agg!!! Oh, and try it with a bomb and Flesh of Marble as well... DH

Reyda wrote: > "Matt" <mathi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > And > > the ghoul will still fire even if his controller was sent to torpor > > with first strike? > > Nope. the ghoul and the employing vampire "share" the same strike > resolution. If you strike with first strike, so does your ghoul. If you are > hit with first strike and send to torpor, your ghoul won't hit your opponent > either. Not quite. The Ghoul uses the weapon during the normal (non-First Strike) strike resolution, regardless of what his employer does. If the employer goes to torpor from the opponent's First Strike strike, then combat ends before the Ghoul can do anything, as you say, though. [ quoted text not captured ]

[ quoted text not captured ] You gotta watch out for those Weather Controls though. A pair of WC's will make easy work of those 4 Ghouls. =P Halcyan 2

"LSJ" <vte...@white-wolf.com> wrote in message news:3C4D4B12...@white-wolf.com... > Reyda wrote: > > "Matt" <mathi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > And > > > the ghoul will still fire even if his controller was sent to torpor > > > with first strike? > > > > Nope. the ghoul and the employing vampire "share" the same strike > > resolution. If you strike with first strike, so does your ghoul. If you are > > hit with first strike and send to torpor, your ghoul won't hit your opponent > > either. > > Not quite. The Ghoul uses the weapon during the normal (non-First Strike) > strike resolution, regardless of what his employer does. If the employer > goes to torpor from the opponent's First Strike strike, then combat ends > before the Ghoul can do anything, as you say, though. thank you very much for the clarification, as usual. reyda